John King

I have given some real consultation to her! And it appears she is stuck on stupid or more likely completely deluded into believing her interpretation of the Bible (...be it the Old Testament...) ! I find it sad and arduous in striving to communicate with her! I have reached my limit of sharing the truth with her . . . even Jesus told His disciples to kick the dust off your feet and leave those that will not receive them.

...just my opinion!

susanblange Loc: USA

I am not alone in my beliefs. My Doctor believes in me and so do a lot of other people all over the world. The flying roll (my diary) said "the whole world is against me". Out of the 7 billion people on earth today, only 100 million will survive to witness the resurrection. Daniel 7:10. "...thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened". All others will be cut off and their spirits extinguished. Isaiah 6:9-10. "And he said, Go and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed". In verse 13 it says one tenth of the children of Israel will survive and they are called the "holy seed".

rumitoid

Thank you, CD.

rumitoid

The question remains. God created two intelligent being and both rebelled: why? Where and how did they get the capacity to sin? Why does free will lead to sin? If God gave us free will, and he had to know how t would turn out, what was his purpose? To choose him freely? Considering all the enormous evil free will has produced that seems wrong.

rumitoid

Not sure who you are addressing. Use "quote reply." As far as science goes, you can see where Davies and others use basic physic to argue against the existence of free will.

rumitoid

Good tangential points but you have to get down and dirty, more fundamental: where comes the 'desire because they "shine"'? What is it about free will, given to us by God, that develops an ego and one so flawed?

Iliamna1

Because you can't be God and understand Him, as His thoughts are not your thoughts and His ways are not your ways, you are standing inn judgment of God? I do know my life is His to do with as He wills and I also know He sent his Son to pay the penalty for my sins and I'm very much at peace with that. I am given a choice every day to follow Him . . . or not. He's my Shepherd and I can stray to my own harm or destruction, or I can believe Him. But I'm not going to question why my Maker made me the way He did. His intelligence is100 to the nth power greater than mine. You should read Job. He had a lot of similar questions, but at the end, it was his faith in the One Righteous and Holy God that enabled him to endure. And at the end, God blessed his perseverence

rumitoid

Afterwards, God said to them, "Who told thee thou wast naked?" For me, I see this as a kindly joke by a loving father who knows his children are upset by what they did. And here had they cried and asked forgiveness, we may have heard the loudest sigh of relief and warmest laugh ever. But out of the blue shame appears: how did this come about in these never-knew-anything-else-but-love-and peace souls?

Both Adam and Eve had a limited library. Getting the suddenly complex human psychic they exhibit has no explanation.

rumitoid

"The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind"):
Richard Dawkins in The God Delusion (2006) wrote of The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind:

It is one of those books that is either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius; Nothing in between! Probably the former, but I'm hedging my bets.[26]

The philosopher Daniel Dennett suggested that Jaynes may have been wrong about some of his supporting arguments – especially the importance he attached to hallucinations – but that these things are not essential to his main thesis:[27]

If we are going to use this top-down approach, we are going to have to be bold. We are going to have to be speculative, but there is good and bad speculation, and this is not an unparalleled activity in science. ... Those scientists who have no taste for this sort of speculative enterprise will just have to stay in the trenches and do without it, while the rest of us risk embarrassing mistakes and have a lot of fun. — Daniel Dennett[28]

Gregory Cochran, a physicist and adjunct professor of anthropology at the University of Utah, wrote:

"Genes affecting personality, reproductive strategies, cognition, are all able to change significantly over few-millennia time scales if the environment favors such change — and this includes the new environments we have made for ourselves, things like new ways of making a living and new social structures. ... There is evidence that such change has occurred. ... On first reading, Breakdown seemed one of the craziest books ever written, but Jaynes may have been on to something."[29]

Author and historian of science Morris Berman writes: "[Jaynes's] description of this new consciousness is one of the best I have come across."[30]

Danish science writer Tor Nørretranders discusses Jaynes's theory favorably in his 1991 book.[31][vague]

Iain McGilchrist who published a similar idea, accepts Jayne's intention, but proposes that Jayne's hypothesis was the opposite of what happened:

I believe he [Jayne] got one important aspect of the story back to front. His contention that the phenomena he describes came about because of a breakdown of the 'bicameral mind' – so that the two hemispheres, previously separate, now merged – is the precise inverse of what happened.[32]:262

rumitoid

All your comments are condescending. If you have something to educate or illuminate, some needed rebuke or correction, just share it and not make it a decree from on high. The Mark to me is not an ideal we strive for. As we are each a unique expression of God, the one-size-fits-all notion of an ideal is counter-productive. And why strive for perfection when to to be still we know God. The Mark is without and beyond any comparisons to God, others, or ideals.

The Mark is Love, which is the one end of all of the above. Be ye therefore perfect as the Father...in whose image you were made. Perfection is possible, Christ said so, just look to the kingdom of God within you...and let go.)

rumitoid

The act of creation is intercourse. If a child is conceived, it is successful. The act of creation for a human is not that of a god constructing a being by his own hand. If I was able to do that and they blew it then, yes, it was flawed.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Are you questioning the Creator? Might wanna be careful.

When you know that an infinite perfect God has created you and me, there are only four possibilities for God and creation.

1) God would create nothing.

2) God would create a world where there was no such thing as good and evil, an amoral world.

3)God would create a world where we could only choose good.

4) God would create this world where there is a possibility of good and evil with the freedom given us to choose. This is the only one of these where love is possible.

rumitoid

What you said has profound implications and goes to the heart of why I posted this thread. Most do not really give much thought to the basics of why we are here. I am not saying they are wrong not to do so but only that it can be quite helpful to know. Pondering the reaches of free will and what it means to our existence to me gives us greater empathy for others and a deeper love of God.

But just as an aside, as God is after all God, why couldn't he create "a world where we could only choose good" and still know love? In the choosing, as on earth today, could we not feel that deep peace and warmth which comes with a loving act for another? Could we not experience the sublime beauty of a tender touch?

rumitoid

The word "choose" does, even if we add "only." If my sensed experience is that I have chosen what I most desire or what is best for me, I will feel good or right or just. The fact that I could do nothing else is a non-factor.

rumitoid

Very good points, thank you.