God created two thinking species, angels and men. Both rebelled against him: why?
May 21, 2019 22:02:11 #
Ricktloml wrote:
I believe He stated He created all things for His pleasure. And the weak-minded and deceived who want what satan promises seek to blame their Heavenly Father for their choices. It is p***e, but also laziness. It is much easier to be deceived and take no responsibility, blame others or God.
They were creatures that walked with God, his spitting image and likeness--where did this laziness and p***e come from?
May 21, 2019 22:08:31 #
cbpat1 wrote:
Your asking pointless questions rumi. These questi... (show quote)
I do not really expect the questions to be answered. No one can truly answer them. All I was hoping for was to promote an area where people could share their thoughts and beliefs about God. Oh, btw, I am not an atheist; that is a cheap shot. You should know that by know.
May 22, 2019 00:16:34 #
rumitoid wrote:
The question remains. God created two intelligent being and both rebelled: why? Where and how did they get the capacity to sin? Why does free will lead to sin? If God gave us free will, and he had to know how t would turn out, what was his purpose? To choose him freely? Considering all the enormous evil free will has produced that seems wrong.
How can one prove true love? How can one have true love without free will? If one creates a creature that has been made to love the creator, is that true love? Without free will there can be no true love! This is why God created us having free will . . . so that His creation would love Him in t***h and not because they were made to!
Why did they rebel? Free will allows for one to do as they see fit! It is only natural that some would not choose to love God . . . can you not understand this?!? One can be seduced by a number of things . . . sex, power, control . . . almost anything. Giving in to base desire can lead to self indulgence . . . which takes ones attention away from acknowledging God for who He is. The evil in the world . . . all of evil does not exist because God created evil. Evil exist because the created creatures sought their own desires and reject God in so doing. The capacity to sin rest in the fact that we are created with free will!
You don't find the revealing of true love as righteous? God knew all that was going to happen . . . and brought His plan into existence to reveal true love to the created . . . and the culmination of His plan was in Jesus! John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son (to die in our place) that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life." God had to allow the evil of mankind to exist in order to reveal His love for us! One can easily love a good person . . . but to love those that h**e you, or to love those that would murder you . . . that is great love . . . that is the kind of love God has for us all! God created us all with free will to show us His love is true . . . and to know our love is true!
Otherwise we would just be puppets . . . doing as the strings move us!!!
...just my opinion, but based on the Bible!
May 22, 2019 00:44:42 #
May 22, 2019 00:59:19 #
rumitoid wrote:
But just as an aside, as God is after all God, why couldn't he create "a world where we could only choose good" and still know love?
Because without a moral reference - good and evil, right and wrong, love and h**e, and the freedom to choose, love would mean nothing. We are not here to love each other, we are here to love God as He loves us, and from that love all other love flows and is nourished. As much as God wants us all to love Him, He did not intend for it to be easy. Considering the eternal magnificence and infinite glory of God, we must prove we are worthy of Him. That is why He came in the flesh to give us the chance we would never have had.But just as an aside, as God is after all God, why couldn't he create "a world where we could only choose good" and still know love?
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22: 37-40
May 22, 2019 01:00:22 #
John King wrote:
How can one prove true love? How can one have true... (show quote)
The question remains: how does free will lead to sin? Are we to blame for a flaw in our being? "God had to allow the evil of mankind to exist in order to reveal His love for us!" But he created mankind! From Genesis forward, free will wreaks unspeakable horror and despicable sin on the world: that is a gift of God?
May 22, 2019 01:00:37 #
John King wrote:
How can one prove true love? How can one have true... (show quote)
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. In this is His love made openly manifest.
May 22, 2019 01:06:23 #
John King wrote:
How can one prove true love? How can one have true... (show quote)
Let me ask you this: would you choose your children to be puppets or raped and murdered? The gift of free will presents that choice.
May 22, 2019 01:07:48 #
Iliamna1 wrote:
While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. In this is His love made openly manifest.
That does not answer why God gave us this terribly wicked and beautiful world.
May 22, 2019 01:30:05 #
rumitoid wrote:
No, it isn't a gift from God. You are making Him into a monster and that is blasphemy.The question remains: how does free will lead to sin? Are we to blame for a flaw in our being? "God had to allow the evil of mankind to exist in order to reveal His love for us!" But he created mankind! From Genesis forward, free will wreaks unspeakable horror and despicable sin on the world: that is a gift of God?
May 22, 2019 01:39:28 #
rumitoid wrote:
The question remains: how does free will lead to sin? Are we to blame for a flaw in our being? "God had to allow the evil of mankind to exist in order to reveal His love for us!" But he created mankind! From Genesis forward, free will wreaks unspeakable horror and despicable sin on the world: that is a gift of God?
How does free will lead to sin? I suggest you reread what my last comment was . . . it answers your question completely!!!
Yes . . . we are to blame for the choices we make!
Yes . . . God created us not with a flaw . . . unless you believe your free will to decide things for yourself is a flaw! If you believe God creating us with freewill is a flaw, explain yourself!
God did not gift the world with sin . . . but because of making the wrong choices, sin entered the world! There was NO SIN when all of creation was finished! That gift from God . . . it is to choose to love God . . . which can not be done without free will!
How many times do I have to tell you the same thing! The question has been answered! You seem to not be able to accept it . . . for some unknown reason!
So, what is the Bible all about?!? It's all about God creating what He loves in order to have a relationship with . . . mankind falling away from that love . . . and the rest of the entire Bible is all about God restoring that relationship!!!
May 22, 2019 03:12:52 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, it isn't a gift from God. You are making Him into a monster and that is blasphemy.
It is a question that I feel Christians need to answer to be totally clear about the love of God.
May 22, 2019 07:26:20 #
rumitoid wrote:
That does not answer why God gave us this terribly wicked and beautiful world.
What is the spirit behind these questions? Are you questioning our creator whose ways are not our ways?
20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Romans 9:20-21
May 22, 2019 07:32:45 #
susanblange
Loc: USA
John King wrote:
How can one prove true love? How can one have true... (show quote)
God does not love everybody, he only loves the righteous who love him. Proverbs 8:17. "I love them that love me..." Psalm 146:8. "...the Lord loveth the righteous". SOS 1:4. "...the upright love thee". Loving God is a commandment and a prerequisite for entrance to Heaven. Deuteronomy 6:5. "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might". Exodus 20:6. "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments". Most people h**e God and that is deadly. Isaiah 53:3. "He is despised and rejected of men..." Proverbs 8:36 "But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that h**e me love death".
May 22, 2019 14:24:29 #
susanblange wrote:
God does not love everybody, he only loves the rig... (show quote)
There is different references of God's love, one is towards the Elect of God . . . and the other is towards the lost sinners of the world! You have referenced only the love of the Elect!
But God died (in Christ) for the lost, for the sinner, for those who have lived not believing in God, for the world!
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 3:10,23
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:8,9
God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8
Christ died for our sins. … He was buried. … He was raised on the third day, according to the Scriptures
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
1 John 4:9-11
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved.
Ephesians 2:4-5
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:16,17
If God's love was not directed towards the lost, the evil, the sinners, none would have a chance . . . . but, in God's great love for the lost and the sinner, Jesus died to restore us to a relationship with God! To live by the law is death . . . the law does not save us . . . only God's grace and mercy is sufficient to save us, not by any works of righteousness are we saved! God's love for the lost sinner is what brought Him to send His only Son to die for us all . . . so that none should perish! This is why all have the choice to accept Jesus as Lord or not! This rejection of Christ and God is the justification to send the lost to Gehenna/hell!
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