Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I would point out once again that the reason evolution doesn't explain " the trinity of time, space and matter which had to come into existence at exactly the same time" is that it doesn't deal with these things...

Chemistry doesn't explain them either....
Or psychology...
Or anthropology...
Sociology...
Biology...

Evolution deals with the divergence of life over time and in no way negates the Creator...

It may negate an interpretation of Genesis that requires all life to have been spontaneously created from nothing by a Higher Power... Luckily we are capable of recognizing that the fault lies not with God's word, but with our inability to comprehend it...

It is no threat to faith or God because it doesn't deal with either...

Nor does it deal with the Big Bang...

And there are plenty of athiest scholars who have responded to "time, space and matter"...

Hawking, bless him, was one who managed amazing work...

The argument that only the Bible explains "time, space and matter" is flawed....

Athiest: What created time, space and matter?
Believer: God.
Atheist: What created God?
Believer: God has always existed.

Believer: What created time, space and matter?
Atheist: It has always existed.
Believer: That doesn't make sense.


Take away... Faith doesn't explain anything... It requires a premise that is not demonstratebly true...

God bless you brother...

SaintBill

Has anyone here read the Book of Numbers, lately? It's still in the Bible and hence profitable for the instruction of Christians. Referring specifically to large portions of Chapter 35. Perhaps you may ascribe to the idea, as I did, that the God of the universe has instructions for us individually and separate but equal instructions for those He has set, which are the Basest to rule over us. ( Daniel 4:17).
Please let me know how you reconcile the views you've expressed.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Hi Bill...

To whom is your post directed?

Please use the "quote reply" button so that we will know to whom you are directing your response...

And welcome to the OPP.... You picked a great thread to dive in on...

Lots of great people on the forum...And even though we rattle each other's cages now and then we are all pretty brotherly...

Take care and enjoy yourself...And I am going to check out Numbers 35 right away.... Will get back to you on it..

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Something doesn't come from nothingness.
Atheists can argue but that cannot make sense outside of intelligent design.
Where does God come from? Any Christian that gives an answer other than "I don't know" is babbling. We can only say what we have been told by God.
I would guess that if God gave us all the answers man has questions to, it would take a football statium to contain it. What God did give us was a love letter to man, a road map how to know him and a manual how to live our lives.
It then comes down to another discussion How do I know God is the authority and author of the Bible.
God gives proof of his existence but to prove he is the author of the Bible takes less faith than believing he is not.

The problem is that most people asking to prove God is the author are not interested in the truth but always looking for that "I got ya" which happens because there are so many lazy Christians that don't study the Bible and unable to answer apologetic questions with any amount of informed brain power.
This post however has 4 informed Christians that can address these types of questions.
I would jump in if I wasn't preparing a move from Palm Springs California to Northern Idaho.
If your interested in how I know God is the author of the Bible flag me in a few weeks or ask the question by creating a new topic and I can chime in on a limited basis.

I think you in your beliefs are honest and accept you as a friend on this forum so it would be a good discussion.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Hi again Bill...

The part that jumped out at me was verse 35:31....

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

I would agree with you.
I'm just posting briefly do to time constraints.
Some take God speaking to them through scripture in off base ways also. I've know some that ask a question then flip the pages of the Bible, then stop, put their finger on a scripture looking for God's answer.

But what happens when they land on
"Judas went out and hung himself"
Then. "do thou likewise"

God does speak to us through his word both as individuals and a message to all. The Bible is his love letter to man, how to know him and have an intimate relationship with him. Also a blueprint how to live life
How to worship him
How to love him

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

I accept you as a friend as well...

And I find nothing false or misleading with what you have written above...(Though I am curious to know if we have the same four in mind )

Will keep your offer in mind... Though I too consider the Bible to be the word of God, it is always enjoyable to grow in knowledge via the understanding of one's brothers..

Have a safe journey.... Idaho is a great State... was born just across the border in the Kootenays..

Your friend, Kyle

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

4.1 gulf of California 56 min ago

4.2 of the bottom of the Juan d Fuca plate. 4 hours ago

4.7 Serum Indonesia 4 hours ago

That's 4.... including Japan more coming to these areas still and Geysers California swarm will happen

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

True Christians won't be surprised ,however the folks that claim to be Christian but don't live it will be the one's that will be surprised

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Something to keep ever at the forefront of our minds

Rose42

Hell is going to be full of religious people. Its a sobering thought.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

To think if they are right (non-Christian) we haven't a thing to worry about.
On the other hand if we're right, they have an eternity of hurt on their heads.

I wonder if they ever consider this sobering thought.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

What if they are Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu?

And they are right?

Then we would be totally SOL

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

I got a good laugh out of that one....

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Morgan,
Read these verses, please,

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, ( the Jews), and his own received him not, ( but crucified him).

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


I can see plainly that this is Jesus, the Christ, the Messiah, that he was with God in the beginning, that he WAS God. Do you really not see this?