slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Morgan

Funny you say that, you make me think of all the Christians who'll be surprised too.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Hey Slatten49,
Nothing here that addresses time, space, and matter.
Try as you may, the greatest minds, scholarly minds haven't a reply.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Looks like a pretty good article.
Worth saving for future reference. No time to read it all now.

for starters;
Many Christians are mislead by churches that discount evolution.
God created evolution. He has the time. LOL

The problem with some evolutionists, is that they discount the Creator, to get it all going.
To them there is no purpose.

Without a purpose; Why?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

BTW;
"He said in addition, "And who is so ignorant as to suppose that God, as if he were a farmer, planted trees in a garden, in Eden towards the east, with a tree of life in it—a visible, palpable tree of wood—so that anyone who ate of it with bodily teeth would obtain life, and, eating again of another tree, would come to the knowledge of good and evil?" (ibid.)"

There is a BIG problem in trying to interpret/understand the Bible; when one does not realize that the Bible is filled with symbolisms, types and shadows, and parables.

For starters;
The "forbidden fruit"/"knowledge of good and evil"; Is Satan. Eve had his child, Cain.
Cedar trees is Israelites.
Satan is a snake.
Sodom and Gomorrah
The Prodigal Son.

Then there is much prophesy.
Much has been fulfilled.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"And how will we determine the g****r" - Canuckus Deploracus

As I understand it. There will be no separate g****rs.
No reason.
No procreation.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

That's okay, Jack. My main goal was to get any Biblical/Christian student/scholar to take notice. I tried the same thing with a link I posted near the bottom of page 15, and had no responses. I was seeking reactions to either or both articles. At the very least, several of the thread's exchanges have been intriguing. I had meant to remain a silent but interested observer. I shall return to being such.

BTW, the author did touch on space and matter in the opening section of the article...even if to but an insignificant degree.

The following is interesting: http://themodernvedic.com/science-vedas/interrelation-time-space-matter/

Rose42

Morgan, the Word in John 1 is referring to Christ.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

My thoughts are we humans try as we might to understand the how, when, where and why's become over dependent on scientists for answers. Holding fast to theories as beliefs even to the extent of making theories a religion of sorts, but then newer theories crop up that sastify man's desire to know once and for all, with certainty. To me the information of how, where, when and how's most rational explanation is the bible.
The Bible abounds in science and technology. One example is, I was taught the earth was round and not flat, a discovery in the 14'th century and before that the Greeks referred to a round earth around 500 bc but a thousand years before that in the earliest biblical writings the earth was called round and dozens of other examples of understandings.

Thanks for the link and I got a chuckle thinking how many times I remained a silent observer breaking my silence to weigh in only to regret having done so.

Have a great day

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Thanks Jack, to you also Always great, in reading your comments, to hear from you.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Each Church teaches its understanding of the Lord.... All seek to bring His children home...

Evolutionists for the most part are unconcerned with the need for there to be a Creator... They are focused on the process...

I agree... Purpose does seem to be an innately desirable trait...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Intetesting article Slatten

And I agree...

A most excellent thread

Morgan

Well, I don't know that for sure Rose, I think it's up to interpretation. As a matter of fact, I think it's all up for perspective and interpretation.

Morgan

I'm not sure of your point here Jack?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Slatten49 was replying to an early thread I had posted.

It goes like this.....

Evolution cannot explain the trinity of time, space and matter which had to come into existence at exactly the same time. 

Without space where do you put matter, without time when did matter enter space. 

The trinity Time. Space. Matter 

Each has its own trinity 

Space = Height, Depth, Length

Time= Past, Present, Future

Matter = Liquid, Gas, Solid

In the atheist argument God. How does a God in a closed system of time space and matter create the universe 

The answer God is not subject to time, space and matter but exist outside of the closed system first being outside created time, space and matter. 

Science cannot explain the required spontaneous origin of time, space and matter without a intelligent creator. 


I was replying to an evolution /Darwin post. In making the point of Time, space and matter. Most that believe in evolution do not believe in intelligent design, a creator, God. Those in the camp of believing in a creator and evolution are few in numbers compared to the big bang and billions years later here we are all by chance.
In bringing up time, space and matter, it is an impossible argument for those holding there is no God.
Not a single atheist scholar has attempted to respond to time, space, and matter.
The only explanation "ever" that I am aware of is the bible.
There are scientists that talk about but never able to explain it.