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Apr 22, 2019 09:33:12   #
Carol Kelly
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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The troops at the border could not cover all wide areas patrolled by our military. There are VOLUNTEER MILITIAS helping the troops to preventing terrorists and illegal aliens entering into our country. They are heroes, putting up their lives defending our country from those millions of illegal aliens many of the are drug dealers, terrorists, convicts, and rapist.

Kevyn and all the RADICAL DEMS want open borders so that they could increase these terrorist allies to take over the power. Kevyn prefers that our fellow Americans die, rather than protecting our border.
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The war has been brought to us. So much for fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria, etc, etc, etc to keep the terrorists from us. Not working so very well!

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Apr 22, 2019 09:49:53   #
TrueAmerican
 
Kevyn wrote:
A number of right wing nationalist terrorists were illegally holding people at gunpoint in New Mexico. The FBI has so far only made one arrest but more are soon to come. Obviously Trumps justice department will try to soft peddle this but the men playing soldier will be held accountable in New Mexico if the Feds drop the ball.

From this mornings Guardian:

A member of an armed rightwing militia group accused of illegally detaining migrants at the US-Mexico border has been arrested, officials said on Saturday.

Videos appear to show armed militia detaining migrants at US-Mexico border

The FBI arrested Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, for alleged unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition , days after his group posted videos that appeared to show armed men stopping migrants at the border in New Mexico, ordering them to sit on the ground and coordinating with US border patrol agents to have them taken into custody.

“Today’s arrest by the FBI indicates clearly that the rule of law should be in the hands of trained law enforcement officials, not armed vigilantes,” the New Mexico attorney general, Hector Balderas, said in a statement.

On Thursday, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called for an investigation into the pro-Trump, anti-immigrant men who have been patrolling the border and calling themselves the United Constitutional Patriots (UCP).

The ACLU in New Mexico described the group as “an armed fascist militia organization” made up of “vigilantes”, saying they were working to “kidnap and detain people seeking asylum” and had directly made illegal arrests and kidnappings and held people at gunpoint.
A number of right wing nationalist terrorists were... (show quote)


Ignorant people spew hateful ideas !!!!!!

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Apr 22, 2019 10:00:03   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
A number of right wing nationalist terrorists were illegally holding people at gunpoint in New Mexico. The FBI has so far only made one arrest but more are soon to come. Obviously Trumps justice department will try to soft peddle this but the men playing soldier will be held accountable in New Mexico if the Feds drop the ball.

From this mornings Guardian:

A member of an armed rightwing militia group accused of illegally detaining migrants at the US-Mexico border has been arrested, officials said on Saturday.

Videos appear to show armed militia detaining migrants at US-Mexico border

The FBI arrested Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, for alleged unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition , days after his group posted videos that appeared to show armed men stopping migrants at the border in New Mexico, ordering them to sit on the ground and coordinating with US border patrol agents to have them taken into custody.

“Today’s arrest by the FBI indicates clearly that the rule of law should be in the hands of trained law enforcement officials, not armed vigilantes,” the New Mexico attorney general, Hector Balderas, said in a statement.

On Thursday, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) called for an investigation into the pro-Trump, anti-immigrant men who have been patrolling the border and calling themselves the United Constitutional Patriots (UCP).

The ACLU in New Mexico described the group as “an armed fascist militia organization” made up of “vigilantes”, saying they were working to “kidnap and detain people seeking asylum” and had directly made illegal arrests and kidnappings and held people at gunpoint.
A number of right wing nationalist terrorists were... (show quote)


no kev they were described as Texas militia covering a long stretch of the border waiting for border patrol while holding illegal yes they shouldn't but gee maybe your good friends and buds in Congress should do their JOB

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Apr 22, 2019 10:07:14   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
TrueAmerican wrote:
Ignorant people spew hateful ideas !!!!!!




The density of a right wing mind is awesome..

You find a group of thugs doing what you wish you could do and yell Y epee.. about it..

the fact is they are cowards, who were hoods/ski masks like ISIS does.. they hide identity and make treats to unarmed refugees while holding guns on them..

Only fools would support those who wish to end the laws of our nation to satisfy the loathing they feel for someone not like them..

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/20/us/border-militia-arrests/index.html?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_c

Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, is a member of an armed group that had reportedly detained migrants near Sunland Park, New Mexico, state Attorney General Hector Balderas said in a statement.
Hopkins -- also known as Johnny Horton Jr. -- was arrested on felony charges of being in possession of firearms and ammunition, according to a statement from the FBI's Albuquerque field office.

Videos show armed men in masks, fatigues
Various private militia groups -- often espousing anti-immigrant views -- have patrolled the border for years, but it's rare to see footage of an armed group detaining migrants on the US side of the border.
Videos purported to show members of the group detaining migrants, including families with children, who have just crossed the border.
CNN has reached out to the group and the individuals who posted the videos for comment but has not confirmed details about who shot the videos, or when and where they were recorded.
In the footage, people wearing full military fatigues can be seen with handguns strapped to their sides, wearing gloves and black face masks. Armed men order the migrants to stop, force them to sit on the ground and then appear to call Border Patrol to pick the migrants up.
In at least two videos posted on the group's Facebook page, a man in fatigues verbally identifies himself as "Border Patrol" when stopping a group of migrants.
A US Customs and Border Protection spokeswoman declined to comment on the United Constitutional Patriots and the online videos, but said the agency "does not endorse or condone private groups of organizations taking enforcement measures into their own hands."

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Apr 22, 2019 10:29:04   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
permafrost wrote:
The density of a right wing mind is awesome..

You find a group of thugs doing what you wish you could do and yell Y epee.. about it..

the fact is they are cowards, who were hoods/ski masks like ISIS does.. they hide identity and make treats to unarmed refugees while holding guns on them..

Only fools would support those who wish to end the laws of our nation to satisfy the loathing they feel for someone not like them..

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/20/us/border-militia-arrests/index.html?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_campaign=undefined?utm_c

Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, is a member of an armed group that had reportedly detained migrants near Sunland Park, New Mexico, state Attorney General Hector Balderas said in a statement.
Hopkins -- also known as Johnny Horton Jr. -- was arrested on felony charges of being in possession of firearms and ammunition, according to a statement from the FBI's Albuquerque field office.

Videos show armed men in masks, fatigues
Various private militia groups -- often espousing anti-immigrant views -- have patrolled the border for years, but it's rare to see footage of an armed group detaining migrants on the US side of the border.
Videos purported to show members of the group detaining migrants, including families with children, who have just crossed the border.
CNN has reached out to the group and the individuals who posted the videos for comment but has not confirmed details about who shot the videos, or when and where they were recorded.
In the footage, people wearing full military fatigues can be seen with handguns strapped to their sides, wearing gloves and black face masks. Armed men order the migrants to stop, force them to sit on the ground and then appear to call Border Patrol to pick the migrants up.
In at least two videos posted on the group's Facebook page, a man in fatigues verbally identifies himself as "Border Patrol" when stopping a group of migrants.
A US Customs and Border Protection spokeswoman declined to comment on the United Constitutional Patriots and the online videos, but said the agency "does not endorse or condone private groups of organizations taking enforcement measures into their own hands."
The density of a right wing mind is awesome.. br ... (show quote)


Deer Lord! Another one willing to aid and abet criminals rather than supporting his fellow citizens. What a disgrace!

Did you forget the oath you took?

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Apr 22, 2019 10:34:32   #
Radiance3
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
The war has been brought to us. So much for fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq and Syria, etc, etc, etc to keep the terrorists from us. Not working so very well!


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I wish we could get out from those Islam lands. Instead of funding those wars, leave those violent Islam alone to kill each other. Unless they come and bomb us. We must chase them wherever they run.

We must seal our borders so secured that NO terrorists or drug dealers, convicts and criminals could enter illegally. In addition, transfer all those soldiers fighting the Muslims, along the US borders.

Never allow anybody to come illegally.
We must require them to follow the law, enter the narrow gate to allowing only legitimate alien applicants go to the right protocol following the law.

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Apr 22, 2019 11:33:13   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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I wish we could get out from those Islam lands. Instead of funding those wars, leave those violent Islam alone to kill each other. Unless they come and bomb us. We must chase them wherever they run.

We must seal our borders so secured that NO terrorists or drug dealers, convicts and criminals could enter illegally. In addition, transfer all those soldiers fighting the Muslims, along the US borders.

Never allow anybody to come illegally.
We must require them to follow the law, enter the narrow gate to allowing only legitimate alien applicants go to the right protocol following the law.
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you should read the laws of other countries and mexico's incredible I'm surpised they havent shot all these people crossing into ther country

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Apr 22, 2019 12:29:39   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Good morning, CSM.

Direct knowledge would imply that I was physically present and somehow involved in the situation, either as an illegal border jumper or a member of the militia. To that, the answer is no. However, when the story broke concerning the militia member being arrested, in the news video shown in connection with the story you could see militia members out numbered by at least 3 to 1. With the illegal border jumpers at first stopping after being confronted, then becoming more aggressive once they realized they outnumbered the militia, shouting and advancing on them, proceeding into our country illegally.

As for the misdemeanors that could easily be articulated:

Fighting or challenging someone to fight in a public place. ✔️
Self explanatory via the video of the incident.

Using offensive words in a public place likely to incite violence. ✔️
Again, self explanatory via the video. My Spanish is a little rusty, but I could make out a few profanities coupled with derogatory terms.

Shouting in a public place intending to incite violence or unlawful activity. ✔️
Again, self explanatory. Along with the unlawful activity having already occurred via crossing the border illegally.

Holding an unlawful public assembly. ✔️

Trespassing as a group into a foreign country constitutes unlawful public assembly.

We already know if the shoe was on the other foot, US citizens crossing into Mexico (a felony I believe) would be immediately thrown in a Mexican prison.

The almost funny part in all of this is, the media, people like Kevyn, and the N.M. ACLU automatically demonize US citizens protecting their property and country, while totally ignoring the actual criminal activity by illegal border jumpers.
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That all happened AFTER they were unlawfully detained by the militia, what excuses the militia's actions prior to that? Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Apr 22, 2019 12:31:33   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Deer Lord! Another one willing to aid and abet criminals rather than supporting his fellow citizens. What a disgrace!

Did you forget the oath you took?



No, but those gun waving thugs have no idea what that is about..



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Apr 22, 2019 12:59:29   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
That all happened AFTER they were unlawfully detained by the militia, what excuses the militia's actions prior to that? Two wrongs don't make a right.


So nothing new from the seditious left?

Just ignore the "ILLEGAL ALIENS"??

After all, you non-loyal legal residents lust after the illegal vote!

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Apr 22, 2019 13:18:10   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
That all happened AFTER they were unlawfully detained by the militia, what excuses the militia's actions prior to that? Two wrongs don't make a right.

Of course it all happened after... if the illegal border jumpers stayed on their side of the border in the first place, there’d be no reason to detain them. What prior actions are you referring to?

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Apr 22, 2019 13:21:34   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
permafrost wrote:
No, but those gun waving thugs have no idea what that is about..


Nonsense. They are all former military and law enforcement, they know exactly what it is all about. And nobody was waving any guns around, leave out the hyperbole.

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Apr 22, 2019 13:41:44   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
byronglimish wrote:
So nothing new from the seditious left?

Just ignore the "ILLEGAL ALIENS"??

After all, you non-loyal legal residents lust after the illegal vote!


send them some bet they have a change of heart when their health system tanks in less than 6 months and their budget disappears taking care of them that's what happened here when we got a wave they took this town to the cleaners don't know what happened but we haven't seen any in several years guess they moved on

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Apr 22, 2019 14:15:29   #
Common_Sense_Matters
 
The Critical Critic wrote:
Of course it all happened after... if the illegal border jumpers stayed on their side of the border in the first place, there’d be no reason to detain them. What prior actions are you referring to?


Citizens can not detain someone for what they MAY do, only what they HAVE done. Citizens can not detain someone on a misdemeanor unless it is disturbing the peace and simply crossing the border illegally does not qualify as disturbing the peace by itself. Again I say, two wrongs don't make a right.

By what I have seen of the crazy whack jobs that join up with these militias... Let's just say the ones I have met, they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun or even other people for that matter. They were likely disturbing the peace far more than any of the border crossers.

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Apr 22, 2019 14:43:16   #
The Critical Critic Loc: Turtle Island
 
Common_Sense_Matters wrote:
Citizens can not detain someone for what they MAY do, only what they HAVE done.

I agree. Once they were found to have crossed the border illegally, they were detained. Not before they crossed because that would be illegal and in violation of international law, meaning the militia group would have had to detain these migrants on Mexican soil, and that didn’t happen.
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Citizens can not detain someone on a misdemeanor unless it is disturbing the peace and simply crossing the border illegally does not qualify as disturbing the peace by itself.

But it does constitute a misdemeanor in and of itself. Then the manner in which the illegal border jumpers behaved after committing that misdemeanor, constituted further misdemeanors, the very ones I checked off in my previous post, which do qualify as a breach of the peace, easily articulated in a court of law, sustained with video evidence. To wit the subjects can be lawfully detained.
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Again I say, two wrongs don't make a right.

Without the original wrong, there would be no perceived second wrong.
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By what I have seen of the crazy whack jobs that join up with these militias... Let's just say the ones I have met, they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun or even other people for that matter. They were likely disturbing the peace far more than any of the border crossers.

Your biased opinion is noted. Unsubstantiated, but noted.

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