jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

Amen, and Amen!

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

This sounds too much to me like the Muslims saying that there are only a few radicals and that Islam is a peaceful religion.
The pedophilia is far too widespread to say 'honor the church, and most of the priests'. If the Roman Catholic church is, as you say, correct and right in all of it's policies and teachings, then it needs to be turned on it's ear and violently shaken until all the vermin fall out and are identified. Instead, we see that the church, from the pope on down, tried to hide this atrocity. When you head man doesn't follow the teachings of Jesus, something is terribly wrong with your church.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Chappy,

Since you are know-it-all, and know everything about the Catholic Church.

Love to here your lies and lack of understanding of the Christian Catholic Church.


“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
― Fulton J. Sheen

“If you don't behave as you believe, you will end by believing as you behave.”
― Fulton J. Sheen

Chappy,
Sorry, all you are doing is promoting Protestant religious bigotry and hate speech and personal prejudices.

The Jesuit Order of Priests.
https://jesuits.org/aboutus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pope-francis-is-a-jesuit-seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-the-society-of-jesus

The Jesuits’ Latin motto is AD MAIOREM DEI GLORIAM, or (AMDG,)

Latin for “for the greater glory of God,” meaning everything is offered up to God.

They are a religious Catholic order.

They are academic college intelligence, the best of the best... with a vow of poverty chastity and obedience.

So what are you complaining about?

The Society of Jesus is a scholarly religious congregation of the Catholic Church which originated in sixteenth-century Spain.

The members are called Jesuits.

The society is engaged in evangelization and apostolic ministry in 112 nations.

Jesuits work in education, intellectual research, and cultural pursuits.

Rose42

Sew_What

Bla, bla, bla, your Pope, said that nuns were raped....

Doc110 Loc: York PA

maximus,

You are entitled to you imperfect allegations opinion of the Catholic Church.

But I will not be berated by you and or others, scapegoating my Catholic Church that all catholic priests are sex offenders and child molesters.

Below you will see statistics and news reports on the growing trend of child sexual crimes that will shock you and that no one wants to talk about.

In Public schools, and in Religious Catholic faith as with Protestant Faiths, and Jewish faiths this is a wide-spread cultural problem and not limited only to the Catholic Church.

For example:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php

In all my 61 years being a member of the Catholic church, I have not been exposed or have known Catholic Priest accused or has been in a crime child molestation of child abuse or sexual abuse.

And I have moved four times around, the United States in the past 20 years California, Alaska, Maine and Pennsylvania.

Also I have taught RICA, and child Catechism classes for over 15 years teaching Baptism and First communion classes, and teaching to teenagers for Conformation classes.

Statistics have shown that that School teachers in public schools and private schools at almost 10% percent molestation and sexual abuse problem.
Yet we don't here about the money payout and restitution that go out to the victims.

The Associated Press uncovered roughly 17,000 official reports of sex assaults by students over a four-year period, from fall 2011 to spring 2015.

Though that figure represents the most complete tally yet of sexual assaults among the nation’s 50 million K-12 students, it does not fully capture the problem because such attacks are greatly under-reported, some states don’t track them and those that do vary widely in how they classify and catalog sexual violence.

A number of academic estimates range sharply higher.
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/05/01/ap-uncovers-17000-reports-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us

The Prevalence of Sexual Abuse by K-12 School Personnel in Canada, 1997–2017
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10538712.2018.1477218

A Crisis As Millions Of Students Abused By Teachers | Investor's ...
https://www.investors.com/.../media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused...

Teacher misconduct: Research on educators committing crime ...
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/.../teacher-sexual-crime-misconduct-research/

Sadly the Catholic Church has a .9 % percent, almost 1 % percent history that is unacceptable, my heart and prayers go out to the families and to the victims of molestation crimes and sexual abuse crimes.

These individuals will serve their time in prison, and at their death will go to hell in a lake of fire, and then will be judged on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and will be Judged to be eternal damed in the lake of fire for all eternity.

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Sew_What wrote,

You are entitled to you imperfect allegations opinion of the Catholic Church.

But I will not be berated by you and or others, scapegoating my Catholic Church that all catholic priests are sex offenders and child molesters.

Below you will see statistics and news reports on the growing trend of child sexual crimes that will shock you and that no one wants to talk about.

In Public schools, and in Religious Catholic faith as with Protestant Faiths, and Jewish faiths this is a wide-spread cultural problem and not limited only to the Catholic Church.

For example:
20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php

In all my 61 years being a member of the Catholic church, I have not been exposed or have known Catholic Priest accused or has been in a crime child molestation of child abuse or sexual abuse.

And I have moved four times around, the United States in the past 20 years California, Alaska, Maine and Pennsylvania.

Also I have taught RICA, and child Catechism classes for over 15 years teaching Baptism and First communion classes, and teaching to teenagers for Conformation classes.

Statistics have shown that that School teachers in public schools and private schools at almost 10% percent molestation and sexual abuse problem.
Yet we don't here about the money payout and restitution that go out to the victims.

The Associated Press uncovered roughly 17,000 official reports of sex assaults by students over a four-year period, from fall 2011 to spring 2015.

Though that figure represents the most complete tally yet of sexual assaults among the nation’s 50 million K-12 students, it does not fully capture the problem because such attacks are greatly under-reported, some states don’t track them and those that do vary widely in how they classify and catalog sexual violence.

A number of academic estimates range sharply higher.
https://www.boston.com/news/national-news/2017/05/01/ap-uncovers-17000-reports-of-sexual-assaults-at-schools-across-us

The Prevalence of Sexual Abuse by K-12 School Personnel in Canada, 1997–2017
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10538712.2018.1477218

A Crisis As Millions Of Students Abused By Teachers | Investor's ...
https://www.investors.com/.../media-and-unions-tamp-down-news-of-children-abused...

Teacher misconduct: Research on educators committing crime ...
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/.../teacher-sexual-crime-misconduct-research/

Sadly the Catholic Church has a .9 % percent, almost 1 % percent history that is unacceptable, my heart and prayers go out to the families and to the victims of molestation crimes and sexual abuse crimes.

These individuals will serve their time in prison, and at their death will go to hell in a lake of fire, and then will be judged on the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and will be Judged to be eternal damed in the lake of fire for all eternity.

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Rose42,

That statement may be true. b

But when you, throw out inflammatory, false public opinions on this OPP forum and post thread, to justify your comments retort, with biased, here-say comments opinions, without supporting your alleged hate speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudices.

Then you open up your self with legal action: Liable, Slander and Defamation of Character law suites.

We have already gone over that topic before.

Slyly you allude with a contentious reply's and comments, which you are known to do.

With your personal anti-Catholic rhetorics, Brean Church dogma and religious mantra zeal.

Your argumentation theory and scenario does not hold up under the water test, of the false pretense guises and claims that you pretend to adhere to your Church and personal traits, cantor and ugly demeanor.

It seems that you will forever be nipping at my heels, and personal attacks with your false hypocritical, hate speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.

Lady why don't you just cool-it and get off your personal crusade.

Go chill out, with a double martini, a valium, and with antidepressants.

Better yet why don't you pray and ask God for forgiveness in your heart, and ask for the Grace of wisdom and knowledge that you desperately need to get past your antagonism and hate speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.

Disagreement is not hate speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.

But that, faceless truthful personal claims, are in fact hate speech, religious bigotry or personal prejudice.

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen Amen.

Rose42

There has never been hate speech from me Doc. You are back to accusing people who disagree with you of hate speech. Post your opinion and if people don't agree debate or move on. People will either agree or disagree. Don't let yourself get sucked in to the nonsense of political correctness.

ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island

....and all this over a silly little ad about Heaven having a wall, and comparing it to Hell with no border. How did we get so far off topic?

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Listen rose42,

I'm not your friend, or your pen-pal, or your buddy on the OPP Forum.

Your dubious, unreasonable intolerant past on the FRS Forum has a unusual putrefying smell that comes with every discussion with you.

Frankly I find you are religiously contentious and a personally disingenuous person in your un-christian Brean church, "mind, heart and soul."

Charitably,

I say, go and see a Catholic Priest, go to confession-absolution get absolved of you sin's and do some personal penance... for your sin's.

And you know what sin's they are, we don't have to air your FRS Forum dirty laundry once again...

Frankly,
I really don't want to, or care to speak or have a conversation with you, again.

That's because you personally discust me as a human moralist and your un-justifiable Brean Churches modern-day man-Made Relativism attitude.


So rose42,

Personally, just go away, you know exactly what you did and have done, for me to say this to you.

And get a real life, and stop personally stalking me, on the main forum.

You know exactly what Hate-Speech is, and how you used Hate-Speech on the OPP FRS Forum.

That is not a forgivable offense.


Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen, Amen.

Nickolai

The wall is just political theater designed to direct attention away from the fact Trump hasn't done any thing but cut taxes for corporations and the rich. The debt is out of control and we are stuck. If the fed raises interest rates any higher the economy goes into recession and if they don't we get eat up with inflation. Either way we have trouble ahead

Rose42

Yes I know what I did - I dared to disagree with you and you started hurling personal insults which you have a long and well established history of doing. If anyone has damaged your anonymous persona its you - and you alone. It didn't take you long to reveal yourself outside FRS.

Disagreement is not hate speech no matter how hard you try to pretend it is.

Not a forgivable offense? According to the bible there is only one sin that can't be forgiven and its not your imaginary offense of hate speech. It's blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You should relax. A forum is for exchanging ideas and information. Its not for dictating to others.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Rose42,

So you want to take the ... low road, ... You should have bow-out gracefully on this post thread...

Do you really want to air out more of the FRS Forum dirty laundry... here on this Post thread ?

And argue from a disadvantage argument point of view? Rose42 When your wrong, your just plain dead wrong... and stop being a hypocritical gluteus maximus derriere.


Rose42, admit it, you like to argue, for the sake of arguing, to prove your Berean Church personal superior point of view.

Or whatever vendetta and inflammatory remarks that you have against my Catholic faith and My Catholic Church.

You are just using and pushing the same old Protestant Man-Made Reformation opinions, that ended 502 years ago, and are still promoting and purveying that same Berean evangelistic attitude (Compost) on me and others on the OPP FRS Forum.


Rose42,
Get a Life, rose, evangelize and argue with some-one else.

I don's care or give a nat's behind, what your'e pushing... and arguing about...

Your confused and don't know what you are talking about !

Tell me do you always throw horse-compost in every religious discussion, and accuse others of religious sin ?

You know nothing of "Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit," what it actually is, and is taught ?

You throw out Religious terms and accusations, liberally like leftist political Democrats...


rose42,
You are going to be schooled once again for your biblical errors... and self-interpreting of biblical scripture.

So go and bother some-one else, with your Berean Church religious man-Made theology and Philosophy and self-interpreting New Testament Bible hang-ups.


Here is the main problem with you and your Berean Church, it is the emphasis and teaching on Saint Paul's letters, . . .

Versus the actual words that Jesus Christ and what he actually spoke in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke John, and in the Acts of the Apostles.

Somehow there is a lack of Berean Church focus on these Gospel books. Get it....

Shouldn't your Berean Church be studying the actual words and instructions of Jesus Christ... ?

And not focusing on the letters of Saint Paul who wrote these letters to admonish these problematic churches that he founded.

The letters of Saint Paul are just that, letters they are not the Bible Gospels, nor are they "New Gospels" invented by your Berean Church denomination.

Seems to me the Berean Church, is still continuing on with Saint Paul's problematic Churches and the divisional schismatic denominationalism, with-in the present day context of division and schisms of the Berean Church.

The Berean Church, can't agree upon what teachings, are even in the Bible, your Berean Churches are so fractured, and continually divide and constantly argue among your-selves.

Good lord, and you have the audacity to argue with a 1,987 year old Catholic Church, Cannon and theology commanded by Jesus Christ.

The Berean church is less than 150 years old, and with-in the Christadelphians/Berean church circles.

In Saint Peters letter, 2 Peter 3:14-17, Peter cautions the Catholic Christian on Saint Pauls Letters.

Peters Final Words:
14 Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
16 As he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.
And to strengthen these founded churches that were having major Christian Catholic problems as to what Jesus taught the Apostles taught and Saint Paul instructed these fledgling churches.

Somehow, your personal Berean Church compost does not stink... and you and they, do not walk on water... or walk the Christian walk, or talk the Christian talk...

Hypocritical Berean Church rhetoric... and your modernistic desire to reflect the attitude of the Bereans in Acts 17, in the 1st century A.D. committing themselves to "searching the scriptures daily."

Me presumes, a ridiculous Berean Church Hypocrisy and bloviating by calling yourselves a modernistic Relativism terminology. The Berean Church at the same time, don't you think.


In 2 Peter 2:20-22, Saint Peter cautions the faithful against Saint Paul's letters with discernment and Biblical understanding.

20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”


rose42,
I gave you my opinions and the deplorable actions that you took and have taken with me and your Beraen church, "Holier-Than-Thou" attitude on the FRS Forum.

You made it your own problems, you wallow in your own Berean Church mire...

Deal with your consequences, after you crap on others and myself, on my OPP political, social and religious values.


Rose42,
You don't get it, what it takes to be a real Christian, instead you and others are speaking ill-will and being a purveyor of Hate-speech against others, with personal bigoted slander and religious intolerant prejudices against my Catholic faith.

And that's what you actually have done, espoused Hate-Speech.

Hate-Speech, even with lip-stick on it, is still Hate-speech.

So stop lecturing others and myself, and condoning the Hate-Speech that you and others of the 5 Horse-men and Horse women of the Protestant Apocalypse mob, who taunted, ridiculed and are pervader of evil on the FRS Forum.


Rose42,
Objective speaking you don't know what your'e talking about on, Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit, which is mentioned in the Gospels three times ?

Here is what constitutes Christian Catholic Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFPzaOyGuJM

In Matthew 12:31-32, It does not explain what Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is ?
31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

A Tree Is Known by Its Fruit
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit. 34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.


In Luke 12:10, It does not explain what Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is ?
And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


In Mark 3:28-30, Here is what Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit, actually is ?
28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter,
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30 For they the Pharisees were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.” "And calling the Holy Spirit an unclean spirit.”


What you and they the Berean Church actually think, what they know, is a completely different, and in error, on Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit, and Berean Church opinion's is a bunch of "Hog-Wallop" nonsense ?

What actually is "Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit" is, and what the Bible actually specifically say's, is calling the Holy Spirt un-Clean within Jesus Christ.

And that my ill-informed Berean Church member is the sin of "Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit."

You have men and women in your Berean Church that professed the evilness of the Pharisee, telling Jesus that he has an unclean spirit within him, an evil unclean demon spirit with-in him.

And now you have the audacity to lecture me, as to your Berean Church knowledge, to judge me and offend me, and telling me that I have blasphemed against the Holy Spirit and blasphemed Jesus Christ.

lady,
Again you are purely devious, evil and vile person.

And know nothing of love, your hatred and inexcusable behavior is astounding and ridiculous incredibly gullible and naive, to say the least.


Here is what Saint Paul says in: 1 Corinthians 4:3-6 And who are you to judge others.

3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human [a]court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.
4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one’s praise will come from God.

Fools for Christ’s Sake
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.


Jesus Christ's True-Church the Catholic Universal Church, was founded and established by Jesus Christ, His Apostles, and the Early Church Fathers passed down for 20 centuries Jesus Christ's teachings and Instructions for the last 20 Centuries.

Lady, you have some damnable, inexcusable personal and Berean Church hutzpa... bodacious false biblical belief's and attitude's.

The Beraen Church is nothing but a bunch of 18th century wandering religious Man-Made self-interpreting ideologues.

That change their religious schismatic theology values, from one country to another; Scotland, to England and to the United States and falsely evangelizing to peoples around the world.

You Beraen Churches can't even formulate a Religious Creed, or Religious tradition, that you can agree upon anything Christian and the precepts on what Jesus Christ taught in the gospels and Acts of the Apostles.

You can't even agree upon what Jesus Christ taught instituted, e.g. the 7 Sacraments and which Jesus instructed his Apostles for three and one-half years and passed down through His church for 1,987 years.

Your Beraen Church's, can't even agree-upon what the 11 Apostles have unitedly have taught in the 4 Gospels and Acts of the Apostles.

Which was also taught to the Early Church Patristic Fathers, and did not change from Jesus Christ instructions to our present age 20 centuries later...

This same Church that Jesus taught - the Apostolic succession from the 11 Apostles instructions have been passed down through the Catholic-Universal Church for 1,987 years to the present day.


Your Berean Church was founded Bereans (also called Beroeans, Barclayans or Barclayites) were a Protestant sect following former Scottish Calvinistic-Presbyterian minister John Barclay (1734-1798).

Barclay religious beliefs was actually a man-Made Protestant Calvinistic-Presbyterian schismatic break-off's heretical sect's and co-joined withe the English Congregationalists church, and then broke-off again with that heretical sect after 1798 when Barclay died.

So for about 50 years in the middle of the 19th century years after Barclay's death, your fledgling Protestant denomination was floundering to extinction. Until John Thomas rename the Berean church "Christadelphian"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bereans

They the Bereans/Christadelphians Church deny the Doctrine of the Trinity.

Which is a central tenet of orthodox Christianity, and this refusal to recognize the triune nature of God has resulted in a major impasse between the Christadelphians/Berean Christadelphians and the Protestant, Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox Churches.


So what is the difference between heresy and apostasy?

A Heresy is rejection of a doctrine that a Church considered to be essential. ... e.g. Roman Catholic theology considers formal schismatics to be outside the Church, understanding by "formal schismatics" "persons who, knowing the true nature of the Church, have personally and deliberately committed the sin of schism".

A heretic is a proponent of such claims or beliefs. Heresy is distinct from both apostasy, which is the explicit renunciation of one's religion, principles or cause, and blasphemy, which is an impious utterance or action concerning God or sacred things.

Apostasy in Christianity is the rejection of Christianity by someone who formerly was a Christian. The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia ("ἀποστασία") meaning defection, departure, revolt or rebellion. It has been described as "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christianity.

The Great Apostasy is a concept within Christianity, identifiable at least from the time of Martin Luther's Protestant Reformation, to describe a perception that the early apostolic Church has fallen away from the original faith founded by Jesus and promulgated through his twelve Apostles and early Church Patristic fathers.

In Roman Catholic Church canon law, an act of schism, like an act of apostasy or heresy, automatically brings the penalty of excommunication on the individual who commits it.

rose42,
So I don't have to like you or correspond to you, and nor do I have to respect your un-Christian Beran Church bigoted attitude towards me and others on the OPP FRS Forum.

rose42,
You reaped what you sow... And wallow in the mire.

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen Amen.

Roland womack

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