Doc110 Loc: York PA

Roland,

Thanks Roland.

Yes I know of that website, but personally I go to CatholicAnswers.com or do a search on the internet, to get a balanced and authoritative bible answer from different websites, and which could be up to 100 bible's commentaries and documents.

So here is the answer that we have been waiting for, and it is explicitly definitive on the scriptural passage subject at hand.

In Mark 3:28-30, Here is what Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit, actually is, and actually say's ?

28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and wh**ever blasphemies they utter,
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— 30 For they the Pharisees were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.” "And calling the Holy Spirit an unclean spirit.”

This is what actually "Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit" is.

And what the Bible actually specifically say's, is the Jewish Pharisees is calling the Holy Spirt un-Clean, from within Jesus Christ.

Here is what constitutes Christian Catholic Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFPzaOyGuJM

In Matthew 12:31-32, It does not explain what Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is ?

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

A Tree Is Known by Its Fruit

33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad, for the tree is known by its fruit.
34 You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.


In Luke 12:10, It does not explain what Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is ?

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.


And that is what the term sin should be used in context e.g."Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit"

What rose42, and they the Berean Church actually think is incorrect.

e.g.
What they think and know, is a completely different subject, and is in error, on "Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit,"

That rose42, her Berean Church opinion's on this subject is a bunch of "Hog-Wallop" nonsense ?

Amen, Amen, Let it be so, I believe, Amen Amen.

Rose42

You are quite simply - lying. Again. And none of your nonsense would hold up in court. Nor does your claim of an unforgivable offense hold up biblically.

You're just like the Pharisees in your posts Doc. Outward show but inward p***eful, bitter and unforgiving.

So be it.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

No one has berated you! No one! Nor did he say that all Catholic priests are sex offenders etc.!
That is a lie!

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Another lie! He did not say that ALL priests are sex offenders etc. !

What does Jesus say about lying 🤥? What does Jesus say about false accusations?

Mathew 5:11 1 Peter 3:16 Exodus 20:16 Exodus 23:1

Doc, You continually twist, add, omit, the words of those that disagree with you! Why do you do this?
It makes absolutely no sense! When a person exaggerates as easily as you, how can anyone trust anything you say or anything that you teach?

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Once again you are claiming to be the victim, but you are the ATTACKER! You are showing no ability to actually be in control of your emotions or your actions. Every time someone disagrees with you, you go on the attack! You have a wealth of knowledge........ if you could just learn how to discuss or debate a subject without losing control.

At this point, you are the perfect example of H**E SPEECH!

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

It's truly a shame that he has been blinded by his own h**e and bitterness against any and all who are not members of the Catholic Church and who disagree with him! I lose my patience with him , especially when he lies about what others say! Then I have to remind myself of Romans 12:17-21

Doc110 Loc: York PA

TexaCan,

You've really made yourself look ugly.

Go Back to the OPP FRS Forum troll Home, and stay there.

Back to your evil sniveling whining evangelical fundamentalisms self.

Since you ruined the OPP FRS Forum, with the 5 Horse-men Horse-women of the Protestant Apocalypse

Now you and rose are Religious Stalkers

Go get a life, you're an ugly baptist deep inside, and your opinions are really childish.

Here is the problem that Baptists hid things that they are ashamed of.

02/10/2019 20 years, 700 victims: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders resist reforms

Robert Downen, Lise Olsen, and John Tedesco
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/Southern-Baptist-sexual-abuse-spreads-as-leaders-13588038.php

First of three parts

Thirty-five years later, Debbie Vasquez's voice trembled as she described her trauma to a group of Southern Baptist leaders.

She was 14, she said, when she was first molested by her pastor in Sanger, a tiny prairie town an hour north of Dallas.

It was the first of many assaults that Vasquez said destroyed her teenage years and, at 18, left her pregnant by the Southern Baptist pastor, a married man more than a dozen years older.

In June 2008, she paid her way to Indianapolis, where she and others asked leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention and its 47,000 churches to track sexual predators and take action against congregations that harbored or concealed abusers. 

Vasquez, by then in her 40s, implored them to consider prevention policies like those adopted by faiths that include the Catholic Church.

In this 2007 file photo, Debbie Vasquez holds a photo of herself at age 14, when she says she was first molested by the pastor of her church in Sanger, about one hour north of Dallas.
(Donna McWilliam/Associated Press)

"Listen to what God has to say," she said, according to audio of the meeting, which she recorded.

"... All that evil needs is for good to do nothing. ... Please help me and others that will be hurt.”

Days later, Southern Baptist leaders rejected nearly every proposed reform.

The abusers haven't stopped.

They've hurt hundreds more.

Prosecutors, convicted pastors discuss sexual assault.
Media: Jon Shapley/Houston Chronicle

In the decade since Vasquez's appeal for help, more than 250 people who worked or volunteered in Southern Baptist churches have been charged with sex crimes, an investigation by the Houston Chronicle and the San Antonio Express-News reveals.

It's not just a recent problem:

In all, since 1998, roughly 380 Southern Baptist church leaders and volunteers have faced allegations of sexual misconduct, the newspapers found.

That includes those who were convicted, credibly accused and successfully sued, and those who confessed or resigned.

More of them worked in Texas than in any other state.

They left behind more than 700 victims, many of them shunned by their churches, left to themselves to rebuild their lives.

Some were urged to forgive their abusers or to get a******ns.

About 220 offenders have been convicted or took plea deals, and dozens of cases are pending.

They were pastors. Ministers.

Youth pastors. Sunday school teachers. Deacons. Church volunteers.


How we did this story:

In 2007, victims of sexual abuse by Southern Baptist pastors requested creation of a registry containing the names of current and former leaders of Southern Baptist churches who had been convicted of sex crimes or who had been credibly accused.

That didn't happen; the last time any such list was made public was by the Baptist General Convention of Texas.

It contained the names of eight sex criminals.

In 2018, as advocates again pressed SBC officials for such a registry, Houston Chronicle reporters began to search news archives, websites and databases nationwide to compile an archive of allegations of sexual abuse, sexual assault and other serious misconduct involving Southern Baptist pastors and other church officials.

We found complaints made against hundreds of pastors, church officials and volunteers at Southern Baptist churches nationwide.

We focused our search on the 10 years preceding the victims' first call for a registry and on the 10-plus years since.

And we concentrated on individuals who had a documented connection to a church listed in an SBC directory published by a state or national association.
We verified details in hundreds of accounts of abuse by examining federal and state court databases, prison records and official documents from more than 20 states and by searching sex offender registries nationwide.

In Texas, we visited more than a dozen county courthouses.

We interviewed district attorneys and police in more than 40 Texas counties.

We filed dozens of public records requests in Texas and nationwide.

Ultimately, we compiled information on 380 credibly accused officials in Southern Baptist churches, including pastors, deacons, Sunday school teachers and volunteers.

We verified that about 220 had been convicted of sex crimes or received deferred prosecutions in plea deals and sent letters to all of them soliciting their responses to summaries we compiled.

We received written responses from more than 30 and interviewed three in Texas prisons.

Of the 220, more than 90 remain in prison and another 100 are still registered sex offenders.

Find our records that relate to those convicted or forced to register as sex offenders at HoustonChronicle.com/AbuseofFaith.

Nearly 100 are still held in prisons stretching from Sacramento County, Calif., to Hillsborough County, Fla., state and federal records show.

Scores of others cut deals and served no time.

More than 100 are registered sex offenders. Some still work in Southern Baptist churches today.

Journalists in the two newsrooms spent more than six months reviewing thousands of pages of court, prison and police records and conducting hundreds of interviews.

They built a database of former leaders in Southern Baptist churches who have been convicted of sex crimes.


The investigation reveals that:

At least 35 church pastors, employees and volunteers who exhibited predatory behavior were still able to find jobs at churches during the past two decades. In some cases, church leaders apparently failed to alert law enforcement about complaints or to warn other congregations about allegations of misconduct.

Several past presidents and prominent leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention are among those criticized by victims for concealing or mishandling abuse complaints within their own churches or seminaries.

Some registered sex offenders returned to the pulpit. Others remain there, including a Houston preacher who sexually assaulted a teenager and now is the principal officer of a Houston nonprofit that works with student organizations, federal records show. Its name: Touching the Future Today Inc.

Many of the victims were adolescents who were molested, sent explicit photos or texts, exposed to pornography, photographed nude, or repeatedly raped by youth pastors.

Some victims as young as 3 were molested or raped inside pastors' studies and Sunday school classrooms.
A few were adults — women and men who sought pastoral guidance and instead say they were seduced or sexually assaulted.

Heather Schneider was 14 when she was molested in a choir room at Houston's Second Baptist Church, according to criminal and civil court records. 

Her mother, Gwen Casados, said church leaders waited months to fire the attacker, who later pleaded no contest. In response to her lawsuit, church leaders also denied responsibility.

Schneider slit her wrists the day after that attack in 1994, Casados said. She survived, but she died 14 years later from a drug overdose that her mother blames on the trauma.

"I never got her back," Casados said.

Others took decades to come forward, and only after their lives had unraveled.

David Pittman was 12, he says, when a youth minister from his Georgia church first molested him in 1981. 

Two other former members of the man's churches said in interviews that they also were abused by him.

But by the time Pittman spoke out in 2006, it was too late to press criminal charges.

The minister still works at an SBC church.

Pittman won't soon forgive those who have offered prayers but taken no action.

He only recently stopped hating God.

"That is the greatest tragedy of all," he said.

"So many people's faith is murdered. I mean, their faith is slaughtered by these predators.”

August "Augie" Boto, interim president of the SBC's Executive Committee, helped draft the rejection of reform proposals in 2008.

In an interview, he expressed "sorrow" about some of the newspapers' findings but said the convention's leadership can do only so much to stop sexual abuses.

"It would be sorrow if it were 200 or 600" cases, Boto said.

"Sorrow. What we're talking about is criminal.

The fact that criminal activity occurs in a church context is always the basis of grief.

But it's going to happen.

And that statement does not mean that we must be resigned to it."

Gwen Casados, mother of Heather Schneider, says her daughter’s life was ruined by a pageant director at Houston’s Second Baptist Church.
Media: Jon Shapley/Houston Chronicle


'A porous sieve'
At the core of Southern Baptist doctrine is local church autonomy, the idea that each church is independent and self-governing.

It's one of the main reasons that Boto said most of the proposals a decade ago were viewed as flawed by the executive committee because the committee doesn't have the authority to force churches to report sexual abuse to a central registry.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Because of that, Boto said, the committee "realized that lifting up a model that could not be enforced was an exercise in futility," and so instead drafted a report that "accepted the existence of the problem rather than attempting to define its magnitude.”

Q&A: 
Investigation into sexual abuse 'shining the light of day upon crime,' Southern Baptist leader says

SBC churches and organizations share resources and materials, and together they fund missionary trips and seminaries.

Most pastors are ordained locally after they've convinced a small group of church elders that they've been called to service by God.

There is no central database that tracks ordinations, or sexual abuse convictions or allegations.

All of that makes Southern Baptist churches highly susceptible to predators, says Christa Brown, an activist who wrote a book about being molested as a child by a pastor at her SBC church in Farmers Branch, a Dallas suburb.

"It's a perfect profession for a con artist, because all he has to do is talk a good talk and convince people that he's been called by God, and bingo, he gets to be a Southern Baptist minister," said Brown, who lives in Colorado.

"Then he can infiltrate the entirety of the SBC, move from church to church, from state to state, go to bigger churches and more prominent churches where he has more influence and power, and it all starts in some small church.

"It's a porous sieve of a denomination.”

To try to measure the problem, the newspapers collected and cross-checked news reports, prison records, court records, sex offender registries and other documents.

Reporters also conducted hundreds of interviews with victims, church leaders, investigators and offenders.

‘So many people’s faith is murdered.

I mean, their faith is slaughtered by these predators.’

David Pittman, who says he was molested by his youth minister
Several factors make it likely that the abuse is even more widespread than can be documented:

Victims of sexual assault come forward at a low rate; many cases in churches are handled internally; and many Southern Baptist churches are in rural communities where media coverage is sparse.

It's clear, however, that SBC leaders have long been aware of the problem.

Bowing to pressure from activists, the Baptist General Convention of Texas, one of the largest SBC state organizations, in 2007 published a list of eight sex offenders who had served in Southern Baptist churches in Texas.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Hold up there, Doc,
I wasn't berating you. I'm sorry if you got offended, but did I say anything that isn't true? This story has made world news and you're attempting to just "dust it off" of a major religion! What needs to happen is that the RCC needs to admit that there is a problem and tackle it head on. From the pope on down, the RCC has lost face in this matter. If the pope had just come out and said"We have become aware that we have a problem within the church, but with God's help, we WILL overcome this problem and the Roman Catholic Church will once again be a safe place to worship God" Well, that didn't happen, and it's a proven fact that effort was made to cover it up. If that makes you angry, don't take it out on me 'cause I didn't do any of it.
I also did not say that this kind of thing only happens in the RCC. There was a WELL known preacher locally back in the 70's, that took a teenage girl out to a remote area and ended up kissing her, (no sex). That did it for him; he was ruined. He (of course) lost his church and was never heard from again.
Then my ex-wife had a young son and she sent him off for summer camp at the HQ of her church.After a couple of days, he was sent back home because the camp grounds had been closed by the police. The church had caught fire and when the fire dept got there, they found a man on the floor, missing his right arm and his head, and the head man, the pastor was nowhere to be found. My ex said that "they" had him and several other theories, all with the preacher being innocent. I told her " He did it" She said "No way"

When they found him, he refused to talk for about 3 days. Then. he confessed. He was stealing money from the church and a deacon happened up on him. In a panic, he k**led the deacon, mutilated the body, and set the church on fire. In my own experience, my ex-wife fell for the Sunday School Superintendent, left me and divorced me, and married him!!!so I know where from I speak..

Betta

Correction. Jesus is not Catholic and does not guide a church that worships graven images and is full of homosexual child predators. Reprobate men guide the Catholic church.

Rose42

Yes it is a sad situation. As you can see he will just continue to make things up. No one is attacking him and people disagreeing is not h**e speech.

jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana

Amen! 👍👍👍👍

Doc110 Loc: York PA

Since your so smart, and are just a member of the cheerleaders and can’t give a factual opinion.

1. What percentage of molestation and sexual crimes do all high schools and private school teachers commit ?

2. What percentage of priests, pastors, ministers, rabbi’s , imams of all faiths commit child molestationsnd sex crimes?

Put your money where your mouth is not.

For the past 50 years this predatory behaviors has had a world wide rise through out the world.

This sexual criminal d*****t behavior by men and women and sexual abusing of children has always been, since the beginning of time.

Because of our unGodly modernist attitude and lack of decent morality in this modern day Revelitism mindset and sexualy d*****t behavior against innocent children has flourished and is a sharp rise in the world.

Satan and his evil Demons are trying to corrupt many men and women’s souls to commit evil against these innocent child beings demons are trying to corrupt many men and women’s souls to commit evil against these innocent child beings.

This sexual crimes are on the increase, it effects are found in all religious organizations, secular and non-secular society.

You can not pin this only on the Catholic Priests.

This man-women made sexual criminal crimes are everywhere, the sex trades and crimes are everywhere.

Don’t be so naive, as to think that it is only a Catholic priest thing. The current media and sensational news reporting is only targeting the Catholic Church and Catholic Priests.

So just remember you are only hearing one part of many parts to the whole human sexual crimes against innocent children criminal sexual predators.

Wake up and smell the roses.

Rose42

That is true. The increase in sexual abuse is alarming and there is no one group that owns it. It is wrong to try and pin it on one group.

Doc110 Loc: York PA

rose42,

Finally, in all your conversations with me...

I am in full, agreement with you... on this issue

Satan and his evil Demons are trying to corrupt many men and women’s souls, to commit evil against these innocent children.

Sexual crimes are on the increase, it effects are found around the world, in all religious organizations, secular and non-secular society's.

One can-not just pin this only on the Catholic Priests.

Please don’t be so naive, as to think that it is only a Catholic priest thing.

The current media and sensational News reporting is only targeting the Catholic Church and Catholic Priests.

The media and News reporters have known about this denial and lack of reporting to the public for 50 + years.

Just remember, you are only hearing one part of many parts, as to the whole human sexual crimes against innocent children, and criminal sexual predators and human trafficking.