Marian devotion, The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer
Dec 18, 2017 22:50:48 #
11/06/2015 The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer
Fr. Dwight Longenecker
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/11/the-oldest-hymn-to-mary.html?
The Oldest Hymn to Mary
Fr. Dwight Longenecker
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/the-oldest-hymn-to-mary
Papyrus in the Rylands Library, Manchester UK One of the things that maddens and amuses me about Protestants is something called “primitivism”. I’ve written about it here.
The Problem with Primitivism
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/04/the-problem-with-primitivism.html
“Primitivism” is the ambition to return the church to the simplest form as it was in the “early church”.
The little fundamentalist church in which I grew up worked on this assumption.
They were going back to basics and getting rid of all those “man made traditions”.
They were cutting out the denominations and prayers read out of books and all that fancy stuff and it would be just the Bible.
Their idea of the “early church” was, of course, what their church was like.
They were actually ignorant of the facts about the early church, which is understandable as they were Bible only Christians.
Consequently they assumed that the early church was just a group of Christians meeting in someone’s home or a simple building to sing songs and have a Bible study.
One of the things they definitely did NOT have was any devotion to the Mother of God. That was a late, Catholic, man made abomination!
That was a much later pagan interpolation into the simple Bible based religion!
Except it wasn’t.
This blog post outlines the fascinating discovery of the manuscript of the oldest hymn to the Blessed Virgin.
The oldest hymn to the Theotokos
http://silouanthompson.net/2014/03/oldest-hymn-to-the-theotokos/
The earliest text of this hymn was found in a Christmas liturgy of the third century.
It is written in Greek and dates to approximately 250 A.D.
In 1917, the John Rylands Library in Manchester acquired a large panel of Egyptian papyrus including the 18 cm by 9.4 cm fragment shown at left, containing the text of this prayer in Greek.
C.H. Roberts published this document in 1938.
His colleague E. Lobel, with whom he collaborated in editing the Oxyrhynchus papyri.
Basing his arguments on paleographic analysis, argued that the text could not possibly be older than the third century, and most probably was written between 250 and 300.
This hymn thus precedes the “Hail Mary” in Christian prayer by several centuries.
Here’s the text:
Beneath your
compassion
we take refuge,
Theotokos!
Our prayers, do not despise
in necessities,
but from danger
deliver us,
only pure,
only blessed one.
What is very interesting about these comparatively recent documentary and archeological discoveries is not only what we can gather from the scraps of text themselves, but how they become part of a much larger puzzle.
We can piece things together to build up a better picture of the true facts.
The hymn is clearly a prayer to the Blessed Virgin asking for her intercession and assistance in time of trouble.
This shows continuity with the belief of the church down through the ages. I’m thinking “Mary Help of Christians.”
Therefore, if this hymn to the Virgin dates from 250 AD we can deduce that it must be a written record of an earlier practice.
Think about it, by the time something is written down for use in the liturgy it must already have been in use for some time.
Furthermore, if this prayer is part of a document that is a copy of another document, then this also indicates that the actual practice is earlier than the manuscript itself.
In addition to this, if the hymn-prayer is included in the liturgy, then it must be something which is approved by the church and in practice on a fairly widespread basis.
If it is included in the liturgy, then the term “theotokos” was not simply a theological term or a theological concept, but something which was integrated into the worshipping and devotional life of the church from the earliest days.
That argument also goes the other way:
If the term “theotokos” was used in a hymn-prayer venerating the Blessed Virgin, then a high view of her significance in the plan of redemption must also have been prevalent in the theology of the early church.
You want primitive Christianity?
You want to worship like the “early church” ?
Then Marian devotion had better be part of it!
Fr. Dwight Longenecker
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2015/11/the-oldest-hymn-to-mary.html?
The Oldest Hymn to Mary
Fr. Dwight Longenecker
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/the-oldest-hymn-to-mary
Papyrus in the Rylands Library, Manchester UK One of the things that maddens and amuses me about Protestants is something called “primitivism”. I’ve written about it here.
The Problem with Primitivism
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingonmyhead/2012/04/the-problem-with-primitivism.html
“Primitivism” is the ambition to return the church to the simplest form as it was in the “early church”.
The little fundamentalist church in which I grew up worked on this assumption.
They were going back to basics and getting rid of all those “man made traditions”.
They were cutting out the denominations and prayers read out of books and all that fancy stuff and it would be just the Bible.
Their idea of the “early church” was, of course, what their church was like.
They were actually ignorant of the facts about the early church, which is understandable as they were Bible only Christians.
Consequently they assumed that the early church was just a group of Christians meeting in someone’s home or a simple building to sing songs and have a Bible study.
One of the things they definitely did NOT have was any devotion to the Mother of God. That was a late, Catholic, man made abomination!
That was a much later pagan interpolation into the simple Bible based religion!
Except it wasn’t.
This blog post outlines the fascinating discovery of the manuscript of the oldest hymn to the Blessed Virgin.
The oldest hymn to the Theotokos
http://silouanthompson.net/2014/03/oldest-hymn-to-the-theotokos/
The earliest text of this hymn was found in a Christmas liturgy of the third century.
It is written in Greek and dates to approximately 250 A.D.
In 1917, the John Rylands Library in Manchester acquired a large panel of Egyptian papyrus including the 18 cm by 9.4 cm fragment shown at left, containing the text of this prayer in Greek.
C.H. Roberts published this document in 1938.
His colleague E. Lobel, with whom he collaborated in editing the Oxyrhynchus papyri.
Basing his arguments on paleographic analysis, argued that the text could not possibly be older than the third century, and most probably was written between 250 and 300.
This hymn thus precedes the “Hail Mary” in Christian prayer by several centuries.
Here’s the text:
Beneath your
compassion
we take refuge,
Theotokos!
Our prayers, do not despise
in necessities,
but from danger
deliver us,
only pure,
only blessed one.
What is very interesting about these comparatively recent documentary and archeological discoveries is not only what we can gather from the scraps of text themselves, but how they become part of a much larger puzzle.
We can piece things together to build up a better picture of the true facts.
The hymn is clearly a prayer to the Blessed Virgin asking for her intercession and assistance in time of trouble.
This shows continuity with the belief of the church down through the ages. I’m thinking “Mary Help of Christians.”
Therefore, if this hymn to the Virgin dates from 250 AD we can deduce that it must be a written record of an earlier practice.
Think about it, by the time something is written down for use in the liturgy it must already have been in use for some time.
Furthermore, if this prayer is part of a document that is a copy of another document, then this also indicates that the actual practice is earlier than the manuscript itself.
In addition to this, if the hymn-prayer is included in the liturgy, then it must be something which is approved by the church and in practice on a fairly widespread basis.
If it is included in the liturgy, then the term “theotokos” was not simply a theological term or a theological concept, but something which was integrated into the worshipping and devotional life of the church from the earliest days.
That argument also goes the other way:
If the term “theotokos” was used in a hymn-prayer venerating the Blessed Virgin, then a high view of her significance in the plan of redemption must also have been prevalent in the theology of the early church.
You want primitive Christianity?
You want to worship like the “early church” ?
Then Marian devotion had better be part of it!
Dec 19, 2017 06:31:40 #
Doc110 wrote:
11/06/2015 The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written betwee... (show quote)
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
John MacArthur
After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end of the book of Revelation, the apostle John described how he was overwhelmed by what he’d seen.
And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.” (Revelation22:8-9)
The Roman Catholic Church has committed the same error as John, promoting a mere citizen of heaven to an improper place of authority and honor. Despite the overwhelming testimony of Scripture, the Catholic Church has elevated Mary—a self-described servant of the Lord (Luke 1:38)—to the same level as God, if not higher.
In his Ineffabilis Deus in 1854, Pope Pius IX established as dogma the immaculate conception of Mary, which preserved her from inheriting original sin. His concluding statements provide a good summary of the Catholic view of Mary.
Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours. With a still more ardent zeal for piety, religion and love, let them continue to venerate, invoke and pray to the most Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God, conceived without original sin. Let them fly with utter confidence to this most sweet Mother of mercy and grace in all dangers, difficulties, needs, doubts and fears. Under her guidance, under her patronage, under her kindness and protection, nothing is to be feared; nothing is hopeless. Because, while bearing toward us a truly motherly affection and having in her care the work of our salvation, she is solicitous about the whole human race. And since she has been appointed by God to be the Queen of heaven and earth, and is exalted above all the choirs of angels and saints, and even stands at the right hand of her only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, she presents our petitions in a most efficacious manner. What she asks, she obtains. Her pleas can never be unheard.
Those words are echoed and expanded on throughout Roman Catholic history. Tradition dictates that Mary is part of the monarchy of heaven, soliciting grace and mercy from the Lord on behalf of sinners, and covering sin by distributing from her Treasury of Merit. She became a co-redeemer with Christ in His suffering on the cross, and is now a co-mediator alongside Him in heaven—essentially an alternative avenue of access to God. She replaces the Holy Spirit in bestowing aid and comfort to believers. In effect, she becomes an additional member of the Trinity.
That blasphemy stands in sharp contrast to what Scripture actually says about Mary, and even what she says about herself. Luke 1:46-55 records her humble reaction to the news that she would give birth to the Son of God.
And Mary said: “My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior. For He has had regard for the humble state of His bondslave; for behold, from this time on all generations will count me blessed. For the Mighty One has done great things for me; and holy is His name. And His mercy is upon generation after generation toward those who fear Him. He has done mighty deeds with His arm; He has scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart. He has brought down rulers from their thrones, and has exalted those who were humble. He has filled the hungry with good things; and sent away the rich empty-handed. He has given help to Israel His servant, in remembrance of His mercy, as He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and his descendants forever.”
The God she praised—the God of the Bible—does not need to be coaxed or wooed to distribute His blessings. He’s not harsh, distant, or indifferent—He’s gracious, righteous, and merciful. Rather than glorifying herself, she humbly worshiped the Lord.
Scripture actually has very little to say about Mary. There’s no description of her physical appearance, nothing about her life, her later years after Christ’s death, or her own death and burial. And when she does briefly appear with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her.
Nor does she play a role in any biblical explanation of the gospel. Paul wrote a magnificent treatise on the doctrine of salvation that we know as the book of Romans, and all he said about the mother of Jesus is that she was “a descendent of David” (Romans 1:3). He’s even less specific in Galatians, another lengthy exposition of the pure, true gospel in which he simply said that Christ was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4).
Contrast that with the unending Catholic volumes on the life of Mary, the miracles of Mary, the death of Mary, the apparitions of Mary, and on and on it goes. That’s why it’s often a shock for Catholics to read the Bible and see how little is actually said about Mary.
But that’s what happens when you elevate tradition to the level of Scripture and ascribe to men the infallible characteristics that only belong to God. It warps the truth of Scripture and distorts the Person and work of Jesus Christ.
God alone is our Redeemer, our Deliverer, our Benefactor, and our Comforter. He alone is to be worshiped, venerated, adored, and petitioned. The testimony of Scripture is clear.
Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you fugitives of the nations; they have no knowledge, who carry about their wooden idol and pray to a god who cannot save. Declare and set forth your case; indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none except Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is no other. (Isaiah 45:20-22)
Dec 19, 2017 20:01:11 #
So what is your little protestant mind trying to say ?
Where are your URL references ?
Could you please respond to the OPP article post and instead of going on a religious tangent . . .
Where are your URL references ?
Could you please respond to the OPP article post and instead of going on a religious tangent . . .
Dec 19, 2017 21:40:16 #
Doc110 wrote:
So what is your little protestant mind trying to say ?
Where are your URL references ?
Could you please respond to the OPP article post and instead of going on a religious tangent . . .
Where are your URL references ?
Could you please respond to the OPP article post and instead of going on a religious tangent . . .
I did respond to your post. You just must not be able to refute what I said because you're at a loss for your usual cut and paste novel.
As for the URL, most people don't click on links. Google the title and the author...it should be quite easy to find...word for word.
Dec 20, 2017 11:09:39 #
mwdegutis,
Catholicism is either true or not, in your Evangelical demented mind.
Gravity doesn’t fluctuate between true and false, depending on your beliefs, and neither does the Catholic Church.
So, your job isn’t so much about deciding as it is "Learning," about and recognizing the world you already live in.
Recognition does carry certain responsibilities.
If you try to ignore gravity, you’ll quickly find yourself bruised or worse.
If Catholicism is true, but you choose to ignore it, you deny yourself opportunities for healing and strength in the face of Man’s broken nature.
With that said, mwdegutis,
Here is my personal religious contention, with your OPP Forum Evangelical religious agenda, and your multiple disingenuous Anti-Catholic opinions, statements and Evangelical "Problem's" here on this post thread article and the OPP Christian religious Forum.
a. You espouse your Evangelical religious anti-Catholic rhetoric every moment you get on this OPP Christian Forum, your Evangelically obtuse, corrosively and religiously lying antagonisms in your anti-Catholic hate speech.
Case in Point.
1. Your "CUT AND PASTE," anti-Catholic hate statements. These are clearly not your own words, and are only from a biased Evangelical anti-Catholic retort statement by John MacArthur accusations and vitriol against Catholicism in your reply.
What is John MacArthur's fundamental problem with the Catholic Church (or Catholicism)?
http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/john_macarthur.php
mwdegutis, This was no personal reply to my Article post it was your usual your Evangelical article hatchet job, anti-catholic hate-rape speech and anti-Catholic opinions reply on this OPP Christian Forum article.
"Marian devotion, The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer."
http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/john_macarthur.php
This was John MacArthur words, and your only perpetuating Anti-Catholic hate speech and your Evangelical religious "RAPE" statement that you and others continue and repeatedly say on this OPP Christian forum.
mwdegutis, I say this only once to you "Stop" being religiously disingenuous in your comments and your Anti-Catholic hate speech, to me.
If you can't be religiously cordial, and you continue to be religiously belligerent and anti-Catholic in your responses and personal comments.
Then I have to ask you to stop, responding to my free speech rights and OPP posting of these religious articles.
If this takes me blocking you, I will do this.
Do you "Get it now mwdegutis, your evil Evangelical actions will not be tolerated any more.
It's my last and only warning.
mwdegutis, It's your repeated evil evangelical M.O. modus operandi . . . You can't help your-self, your mentally sick in the brain . . .
1. Red-Herring Straw-Man fallacy idiom, statements:
a. Criticizing,
b. Name-calling, or
c. Evading and deflecting your answer with some discombobulated opinion or statement.
d. You never answer or respond to my questions ?
mwdegutis, Your only angry at me because, I don't play by your religious Evangelical hypocritical rhetoric game rule's.
And you don't read, the articles and or click on URL Links because your Evangelically challenged . . . . Smiles . . .
You can't and haven't answered my Article post: "Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura."
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-119691-1.html
Crickets chirping, . . . Crickets chirping, . . . Crickets chirping, . . .
Here is a google search: on anti-Catholic John MacArthur:
Blog Post - Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary
https://www.gty.org/library/Blog/B130227 His concluding statements provide a good summary of the Catholic view of Mary. Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours.Country.
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
https://www.gty.org/blog/B130227
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word
Catholic heresy list - false teachers - Catholicism
www.so4j.com/catholics-are-they-savedProxy Highlight
• videos - john macarthur explains the catholic church heresy • is catholicism a false religion? Are catholics saved? • What does the bible say about the virgin mary? •
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
www.gty.org/resources/blog/B130227
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word ... by John MacArthur. After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end ... Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship. Isaiah 45:20-22; Luke 1:38; ...
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The Pope * Exposing the Heresies of the. : Mary Worship *
https://www.gty.org/Blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresie...
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word
Exposing the Idolatry of Mary Worship--Catholic Dogma--Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fow88yqmN9I
Idolatry of Mary worship -John MacArthur (pt1of4) - Duration: 20:01. DirtyABirdy 82,839 views.Explaining the Heresy of the Catholic Mass-
Part 1 - Duration: 59:50.Exposing the lies of the Roman Catholic Church (Part 2 of 2) - Duration: 50:25.
4. Catholic Idolatry of Mary Worship: What the Bible Says | John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwI8HzvrzFI
John MacArthur exposes the Roman Catholic doctrine of the virgin Mary. This video is part of 'The Heresy of Catholicism: Exposing the Idolatry of Mary Worship' playlist: httpsUndermining the Headship of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church - Pastor John MacArthur
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
www.gty.org/Blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresies-of-the...
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
https://www.gty.org/resources/blog/B130227
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word ... by John MacArthur. After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end ... Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship. Isaiah 45:20-22; Luke 1:38; ...
[quote=mwdegutis
I did respond to your post.
You just must not be able to refute what I said because you're at a loss for your usual cut and paste novel.
As for the URL, most people don't click on links.
Google the title and the author...it should be quite easy to find...word for word.[/quote]
Catholicism is either true or not, in your Evangelical demented mind.
Gravity doesn’t fluctuate between true and false, depending on your beliefs, and neither does the Catholic Church.
So, your job isn’t so much about deciding as it is "Learning," about and recognizing the world you already live in.
Recognition does carry certain responsibilities.
If you try to ignore gravity, you’ll quickly find yourself bruised or worse.
If Catholicism is true, but you choose to ignore it, you deny yourself opportunities for healing and strength in the face of Man’s broken nature.
With that said, mwdegutis,
Here is my personal religious contention, with your OPP Forum Evangelical religious agenda, and your multiple disingenuous Anti-Catholic opinions, statements and Evangelical "Problem's" here on this post thread article and the OPP Christian religious Forum.
a. You espouse your Evangelical religious anti-Catholic rhetoric every moment you get on this OPP Christian Forum, your Evangelically obtuse, corrosively and religiously lying antagonisms in your anti-Catholic hate speech.
Case in Point.
1. Your "CUT AND PASTE," anti-Catholic hate statements. These are clearly not your own words, and are only from a biased Evangelical anti-Catholic retort statement by John MacArthur accusations and vitriol against Catholicism in your reply.
What is John MacArthur's fundamental problem with the Catholic Church (or Catholicism)?
http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/john_macarthur.php
mwdegutis, This was no personal reply to my Article post it was your usual your Evangelical article hatchet job, anti-catholic hate-rape speech and anti-Catholic opinions reply on this OPP Christian Forum article.
"Marian devotion, The Oldest Hymn to Mary: Written between 250 and 300 A.D. Pre-dates the Hail Mary Prayer."
http://www.catholicbridge.com/catholic/john_macarthur.php
This was John MacArthur words, and your only perpetuating Anti-Catholic hate speech and your Evangelical religious "RAPE" statement that you and others continue and repeatedly say on this OPP Christian forum.
mwdegutis, I say this only once to you "Stop" being religiously disingenuous in your comments and your Anti-Catholic hate speech, to me.
If you can't be religiously cordial, and you continue to be religiously belligerent and anti-Catholic in your responses and personal comments.
Then I have to ask you to stop, responding to my free speech rights and OPP posting of these religious articles.
If this takes me blocking you, I will do this.
Do you "Get it now mwdegutis, your evil Evangelical actions will not be tolerated any more.
It's my last and only warning.
mwdegutis, It's your repeated evil evangelical M.O. modus operandi . . . You can't help your-self, your mentally sick in the brain . . .
1. Red-Herring Straw-Man fallacy idiom, statements:
a. Criticizing,
b. Name-calling, or
c. Evading and deflecting your answer with some discombobulated opinion or statement.
d. You never answer or respond to my questions ?
mwdegutis, Your only angry at me because, I don't play by your religious Evangelical hypocritical rhetoric game rule's.
And you don't read, the articles and or click on URL Links because your Evangelically challenged . . . . Smiles . . .
You can't and haven't answered my Article post: "Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura."
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/sola.htm
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-119691-1.html
Crickets chirping, . . . Crickets chirping, . . . Crickets chirping, . . .
Here is a google search: on anti-Catholic John MacArthur:
Blog Post - Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary
https://www.gty.org/library/Blog/B130227 His concluding statements provide a good summary of the Catholic view of Mary. Let all the children of the Catholic Church, who are so very dear to us, hear these words of ours.Country.
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
https://www.gty.org/blog/B130227
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word
Catholic heresy list - false teachers - Catholicism
www.so4j.com/catholics-are-they-savedProxy Highlight
• videos - john macarthur explains the catholic church heresy • is catholicism a false religion? Are catholics saved? • What does the bible say about the virgin mary? •
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
www.gty.org/resources/blog/B130227
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word ... by John MacArthur. After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end ... Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship. Isaiah 45:20-22; Luke 1:38; ...
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: The Pope * Exposing the Heresies of the. : Mary Worship *
https://www.gty.org/Blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresie...
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word
Exposing the Idolatry of Mary Worship--Catholic Dogma--Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fow88yqmN9I
Idolatry of Mary worship -John MacArthur (pt1of4) - Duration: 20:01. DirtyABirdy 82,839 views.Explaining the Heresy of the Catholic Mass-
Part 1 - Duration: 59:50.Exposing the lies of the Roman Catholic Church (Part 2 of 2) - Duration: 50:25.
4. Catholic Idolatry of Mary Worship: What the Bible Says | John
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwI8HzvrzFI
John MacArthur exposes the Roman Catholic doctrine of the virgin Mary. This video is part of 'The Heresy of Catholicism: Exposing the Idolatry of Mary Worship' playlist: httpsUndermining the Headship of Christ and the Roman Catholic Church - Pastor John MacArthur
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
www.gty.org/Blog/B130227/exposing-the-heresies-of-the...
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word
Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship
https://www.gty.org/resources/blog/B130227
John MacArthur's in-depth Bible teaching brings the life-transforming truth of God's Word ... by John MacArthur. After his prophetic vision of the eternal glories of heaven at the end ... Exposing the Heresies of the Catholic Church: Mary Worship. Isaiah 45:20-22; Luke 1:38; ...
[quote=mwdegutis
I did respond to your post.
You just must not be able to refute what I said because you're at a loss for your usual cut and paste novel.
As for the URL, most people don't click on links.
Google the title and the author...it should be quite easy to find...word for word.[/quote]
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.