Brian Devon

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vernon

these people are amoured with obama and communism and that even after they have been proved and a failed system and the biggest liar in american history

emarine

One funny thing about gas, IT RISES, same with crude oil, the failure rate of the drilling casings is over 80%, check it out, I for one would not live anywhere near a fracking site, The deregulation of the clean water act by Cheney was to prevent major law suits against Halliburton the main supplier of drilling casings in the USA, If you choose to follow up on this check into the effects of benzene on humans, a common fracking chemical , when you study the practices of the oil industry over the years, the EPA has debunked nothing, they just don't charge enough for the fines to stop anything that generates massive profits, fracking allows the pumping of undisclosed chemicals "Haz mat" into the ground, This saves the industry from having to pay to dispose of them properly.

vernon

she is a proven liar and cheat but that is exactly what you guys seem to like.

vernon

you get just a smidgen of information and then blow it complety out of proportion just trying to scare pople.just like all the lies from the warming people.

vernon

your wrong the govt oked the the ingreadents.but how will these chemicals hurt the env when they are 8 to 10k feet underground.

vernon

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vernon

he seems to be completely out of it,and gtes worse every day.he should be telling obama to take off his panties and face putin like a man.

ninetogo

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I do not give one big Sxxx if you agree on not to my post above. Before you start quoting any rebuttal from the Annenburg Public Policy Center, you may want to know the ideology behind this group.

FactCheck.org is Sponsored by Decidedly LEFTIST Organization: ANNENBERG Public Policy Foundation

Posted on 10/12/2008 7:02:19 PM by BIOCHEMKY

The “Truthfulness” website called FactCheck.org is itself decidedly BIASED toward the LEFT as the discussion that follows points out.

The ANNENBERG Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania is the organization behind the FactCheck.org website that is being consulted OFTEN by voters and media personalities alike to help them form opinions on the “truthfulness” of the claims being made by the McCain and Obama political ads as well as statements made on the Campaign Trail and in Presidential and Vice Presidential debates.

Kathleen Hall Jamieson, Ph.D. is the Director of the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania which is the organization BEHIND the FactCheck.org “truthfulness” website.

Dr. Jamieson's newest book entitled “Echo Chamber: Rush Limbaugh and the Conservative Media Establishment” is a MAJOR HIT PIECE against the Conservative voices in the media on television, radio, and in print. View the book’s Table of Contents: http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/echochamber/

In Dr. Jamieson’s biography on the APPC website, she states that during the 2004 general election she regularly appeared on “NOW With Bill Moyers” and “The NewsHour,” and throughout the 2008 campaign is appearing regularly on “Bill Moyers Journal.” http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/Bio.aspx?myUsername=kjamieson

In a 2003 interview with BuzzFlash.com, Bill Moyers said, "The corporate right and the political right declared class warfare on working people a quarter of a century ago and they've won."

Moyers went on to say that the American public has failed to react this fact because it is, "distracted by the media circus and news which has been neutered or politicized for partisan purposes." In support of this statement Moyers referred to "the paradox of Rush Limbaugh [who is] ensconced in a Palm Beach mansion massaging the resentments across the country of white-knuckled wage earners, who are barely making ends meet in no small part because of the corporate and ideological forces for whom Rush has been a hero...”

What’s the bottom line? FactCheck.org is a LEFT-BIASED organization that has sold itself as “Politically NEUTRAL” to America’s voters and media personnel.

The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.

Does the LEFT have no conscience at all?

NOW, I do not make up fables and distort the truth. I research my post and verify items before I make a post on OPP. Truth is Truth where ever it is found; we will let the political chips fall where they may. If you elect to accept conjecture, distortions, and political spin as truth, that is your burden. Perform you own research and reach your own conclusions. I have already done my due diligence and reached my own conclusions, which are exactly as i have posted.

vernon

your go afraid of the fracking fluid just let me say its mostly h2o and sand with some type of oils that increase viscosity

emarine

You can dispute the facts, On the political end it seems you like Rush for your research information.... I have been involved in oil for 30 years and never heard of Petrobus... Its Petrobras , and never heard of Norex 9500... its Corexit 9500... deep water drilling rig costs 200 to 600k per day on the high side not 1 million, I found almost all of your post inaccurate and opinionated , as an engineer in the industry I am very thankful we never crossed paths.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Check into the Marcellus lode

Meanwhile, according to some folks Bush bypassed Congress far more than Obama - seems he was able to re-write tax laws and so forth - even somehow got GM to defund it failed EV 1 program.

Let me write this slow - Bush was never able to pass any legislation without bi-partisan support - and Bush did not claim the power to use phone and pen to bypass Congress - and if opposing Obama is racist, is opposing Bush also racist?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Why is it so hard to understand that any tax on any company is paid for by the users of that companies goods and services. If you are claiming, which whether you realize it or not, that gas prices are too low, explain to us how Bush was damned for gas prices far lower than they are right now. Perhaps you want to tell us how we could tax oil companies more while keeping gasoline prices the same.

I'm not even going to go into the idea that Russia is somehow wealthier now than 2001 - but I will mention one simple thing - neither Bush nor Obama controls how wealthy Russia is - except for making American oil products more expensive

As to Bush and his Administration - If your point is that Bush was not fiscally conservative enough, I'd agree - he was far to accomodating to liberal Democrats with No Child and Medicare Part D - but I do find it interesting how much people excuse from Obama because of what he inherited while forgetting that Bush inherited the dotcom bust and the 9/11 attack - but then some of those with the Bush hatred syndrome would suggest these were economic pluses.

...and finally, I completely ignore thoughtless comments like fair tax - that is a term meant to dumb down conversations because it is never followed by specificity -

Brian Devon

Does the left have no conscience at all?

Actually we do. That's why we were are supporters of civil rights, gender equality, and environmental protections,as well as food and housing security, brought about by fair wages.

The GOP conscience? Doesn't exist.

GOP stands for Greed, Opportunism, and Pillaging (the environment).

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Dave Loc: Upstate New York

The left has some loopy ideas that generally involve greater control by the federal government down to the individual citizen level all justified by some vague concept that involved fair this and fair that - while fair really means what our elite "betters" decide it means. That was the system that was the philosophical underpinnings of all totalitarian governments in the history of mankind.