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Hitler had no oil wells during world war II, but Germany had vast supplies of coal. The bituminous coal was mined and the coal oil was extracted; the coal oil was refined into a high grade of fuel that was used to fuel his
Luftwaffe aircraft, Panza tank divisions, Marine Fleets and all other internal combustion powered vehicles.

The refining process was developed by two German engineers named Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch in 1925. The process converts a mixture of Hydrogen and Carbon Monoxide into liquid Hydrocarbons, which is the base stock used to produce synthetic fuels and synthetic lubricating oils.

Present day, the current Administration is very intent on destroying the coal industry within the US; rather than destroy the coal industry in the US, use this infrastructure to provide the coal for conversion into synthetic fuels. This would help to erase our dependency on foreign crude supplies. The refining cost would be slightly less than refining high sulfur content crude oil. The synthetic fuels (gasoline and diesel) could be modified to mimic the fungible grades of fuel that we currently use.
The same refining process could be used to produce 'White Crude' out of natural gas, which could be refined to make synthetic automotive fuels. Who do you think has suppressed this technology? The economics are self evident!

Me too. Both sides of the aisle are bought and paid for. There are a few exceptions, but as of now, not enough to make a difference.

How about an all New England ticket of Gov. Dean/Senator Warren? They would probably have a very different take on ultra-deep off-shore drilling, and the the tar-pits it makes of our coasts.

Californians visiting Santa Barbara Beaches still have to scrape tar off of the bottoms of their feet, 45 years after the Union Oil off-shore platform blew out in the late 1960s.

For obvious reasons the Santa Barbara tourist board does not like to advertise the ruination of their beaches. On foggy mornings the oil stench hovers over their coast.

4 Years After Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill, EPA Lifts BP’s Gulf Drilling Ban




Nearly four years after the BP Deepwater Horizon oil and gas disaster in the Gulf of Mexico—an event that blew away the record books for the nation’s worst accidental oil spill—BP is fully back in business, and drilling is booming in the Gulf of Mexico.

Outrageous! The EPA all too CLEARLY works for the corporations and BIG OIL. Despite all the continued havoc rippling through the ecosystems in the Gulf from the DeepWater calamity, and likely to continue for generations, the Environmental PROTECTION Agency green-lights more drilling? Why? Have there been some developments - such as how to cope with disasters like DeepWater without dumping millions of gallons of even more toxic dispersants? No. Look for more ruination, deformed fish, drowned birds, dead manatees and blind shrimp to come.... I'm utterly disgusted.

Did you notice that when the media was doing interviews on wind farms and solar farms, that the interviewees always stated that, "This plant can power a small city, or several thousand homes", but they NEVER said: This plant IS powering the small city of such and such or those several thousand homes right over there! Why did they put it that way? Because they had no proof of anything, and I only have word of mouth confirmation that the power companies built those farms because the money from the Federal government was substantially more than what it cost to build them. This being the case the power companies did not care in the least that the things didn't work. Can you imagine the cost to disassemble and repair the huge gears in the head of just one of those wind turbines 90 to 100 feet off the ground? That is why if you drive past those thousands of wind turbines in West Texas for example you may see 1 or 2 turning out of fifty! T. Boone Pickens is the only one who makes out with the wind turbines because he builds and sells them! Why did the solar water heater business go in the toilet? Because although they installed them free, the buyer had to replace the solar panels after two years at tremendous cost. Why did the solar project funded by Barack go under in California, after all, the good black man dedicated the plant himself?
Coal too nasty? Oil too nasty? Whatever you may think, the only clean, safe and efficient energy source is Nuclear Power.

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Hitler had no oil wells during world war II, but Germany had vast supplies of coal. The bituminous coal was mined and the coal oil was extracted; the coal oil was refined into a high grade of fuel that was used to fuel his
Luftwaffe aircraft, Panza tank divisions, Marine Fleets and all other internal combustion powered vehicles.

The refining process was developed by two German engineers named Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch in 1925. The process converts a mixture of Hydrogen and Carbon Monoxide into liquid Hydrocarbons, which is the base stock used to produce synthetic fuels and synthetic lubricating oils.

Present day, the current Administration is very intent on destroying the coal industry within the US; rather than destroy the coal industry in the US, use this infrastructure to provide the coal for conversion into synthetic fuels. This would help to erase our dependency on foreign crude supplies. The refining cost would be slightly less than refining high sulfur content crude oil. The synthetic fuels (gasoline and diesel) could be modified to mimic the fungible grades of fuel that we currently use.
The same refining process could be used to produce 'White Crude' out of natural gas, which could be refined to make synthetic automotive fuels. Who do you think has suppressed this technology? The economics are self evident!

I think you miss the entire point of this thread. No one has said industrialization is a bad thing. What is desired is a reduced dependence on fossil fuels... They have reached a level of use where the earth can not renew itself..

That reduction will never, I am sure reach a stage that fossil fuels are no longer used at all...

Conservation, recycling and replace when possible, are directions we should all be pursuing. It is only common sense to stop as much destruction as possible. If we could cut our dependence on gas it would be cheaper and the consequences would be far less...

Few people see an end to the use of fossil fuels...

The dime and a dollar, come from a conversation I had with a buddy when Bush Jr. put his tax cut through. I said it was bad for America. The middle class did not get much. He was happy, his income was high enough, he "got a dime and did not care if other with more income got a dollar"... nothing to do with our thread...

To look at the current oil consumption in the us compared to other country's and not see a problem is foolish, we waste more oil than others consume, oil and energy are the main causes of conflict on earth, back in 2000 when Putin came in power he restructured Russia's energy policy providing funding for the government, In 2000 when W was elected he gave tax incentives to consume more oil creating profits to the oil industry while defunding R&D in green energy, Too very different approaches for the future, What we are seeing in the Ukraine is energy related and Russia has a lot more oil than we do. To be a super power you need to control the supply of energy. I think that short term gains has clouded our judgment.

Well you missed my point.. Tryed to say, big oil enjoys a real monopoly by controlling all of the product. All oil cos have the same end in mind and all work toward that end. Big Pharma has a monopoly via regulation. Their is a possibility of development of similar/more product. As I stated in Theory....Last med product I looked at had been developed and funded by the govt at Michigan State and one phama co gained the rights via single licensing. Can not have any competition for the same med...

But this post is about big oil, let us not move the thread...

By all mean forward my post, but include all of it, not only your interpretation.. as she works for pharma she will without doubt see as you do in any case...

The market fixes a lot of things. For Washington, Jefferson, Madison, and Patrick Henry it solved their labor concerns about how much to pay the help. They instituted free market rules that allowed them to pay the going rate of "zero dollars a day". Of course they backed up the "free market" with local militias designed to look for "runaways".
Smartly, led by Mr. Liberty, Patrick Henry, they deduced that these free market enforcers should always have the right to bear arms.

The philosophical heirs to these free marketeers are the members of the Republican party. The nation, in the last 2 presidential elections, has told these "free marketeers" what they could do with their political philosophy.


The real philosophy of the petro-coal-criminals, "socialize the risks, privatize the profits." Kind of like what the Virginia planters did during the revolutionary war. Not so much has changed.

As far as Alzheimer's research goes, your niece should probably start with you.......your love of the chickenhawk profiteers, GW Bush and Dick Cheney is probably the beginning signs of dementia.