Pa Pa K

I am new here , been reading the articles for quite some time now. My first input on a topic .Yesterday I spoke w/ a Man outside of Planned parenthood (I was there for work), so I spoke w/ him for a few minutes. He informed me that the women are paid $ 500 for their services, which I had no idea that they were paid to have an abortion. I find this really sad.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

MarvinSussman

The choice for a voter is either criminal indictment for abortion or no indictment. Those who mind their own business choose the latter: to allow everyone to control their own body.

TrueAmerican

TrueAmerican

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

You say, "A pro life person doesn't care about the quality of life....." it takes a real genius, a truly superior intellect to make such a stupid statement. When anyone is born no one knows the quality of life he or she will have. You've prejudged and prejudiced the merit and worth of a life before it's ever given a chance. You choose death for innocent life and that is not anyone's right! It takes a hardened and godless atheist to think like you do. I'll bet you've got many other excuses for murdering a child.

Morgan

I will go as far as to say it is completely untrue, prove your accusation, please. Why would ANYONE encourage fathers to not be involved with the responsibility of their child(ren), that comment is complete nonsense, hence imbecilic. What would be the motive to encourage such things? Second, you must not have any children or have never been involved in their upbringing to comprehend the hard constant work it takes especially on pennies which is welfare. You allege that all welfare recipients haven't enough self respect or pride and have no desire to improve themselves and their social position. Completely untrue, again you are in a postion where you are incapeable of relating to their demise.

The truth may be difficult to swallow as you're having a hard time. Welfare did increase with the recent sacking... but since Obama it has shown a steady deline, which is still on the same course and will be unless the Repblicans will crash our ecomomy again which may soon happen as our debt climbs, it was just on todays news that an increase in the budget spending for the third time this year and it's only september, we still have three more months to go.

If the economy is doing so GREAT, BETTER THEN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES(TRUMP QUOTE) why can't we be pay our bills?

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

debeda

The problem i think is semantics. The POLICIES, ie the systems in place, help fathers not be responsible. Many, and i mean MANY single moms get housing assistance, food stamps, medical and financial and legal assistance (meaning free) while still having the baby daddys or another boy friend live with them. I know this by personal and professional experience. Personal experience being i am a single mom of 4 myself who got no assistance. But lived in many rentals with people who did. At least 75% of them lived as i describe above. Professionally i have worked for a family attorney for the past 15 years and virtually every case we are assigned pro bono by the county (family law attorneys are required to do a certain amount of pro bono yearly) are in that situation. The intent of these policies were altruistic im sure but the unintended consequences are as i describe.

Morgan

bylm1-Bernie

[quote=Morgan]I will go as far as to say it is completely untrue, prove your accusation, please. Why would ANYONE encourage fathers to not be involved with the responsibility of their child(ren), that comment is complete nonsense, hence imbecilic. What would be the motive to encourage such things? Second, you must not have any children or have never been involved in their upbringing to comprehend the hard constant work it takes especially on pennies which is welfare. You allege that all welfare recipients haven't enough self respect or pride and have no desire to improve themselves and their social position. Completely untrue, again you are in a postion where you are incapeable of relating to their demise.

The truth may be difficult to swallow as you're having a hard time. Welfare did increase with the recent sacking... but since Obama it has shown a steady deline, which is still on the same course and will be unless the Repblicans will crash our ecomomy again which may soon happen as our debt climbs, it was just on todays news that an increase in the budget spending for the third time this year and it's only september, we still have three more months to go.

If the economy is doing so GREAT, BETTER THEN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES(TRUMP QUOTE) why can't we be pay our bills?[/quote



I think you are a bit confused, Morgan, no one is encouraging fathers not to be involved. Fathers, in increasing numbers are choosing not to be involved. What liberal policies are encouraging is having more children out of wedlock when they are largely, by definition, in lower income brackets and qualify for EBT cards and other forms of welfare. I'm well aware of the costs involved in raising children, however I also made sure I didn't outspend my income. I feel that those who genuinely need welfare should have it but it shouldn't be passed out freely without adequate control.

If you're worried about the debt, as I am also, the biggest culprit in raising our debt has been the former President's policies. I'm not happy about it now but let's put the lion's share of blame where it belongs.

Morgan

What you're speaking of may be considered semantics but my response was towards that posters accusation of Liberals trying to promote fatherless children, that is simply a malicious party lie to disparage them. I am not a Liberal but I know this described standpoint is not theirs.

What you voiced I agree with, it was the intention to help but the problem goes much deeper than just trying to fix it monetarily, it goes into the psyche of the people born into poverty and how to get out. Thank you for your civil response.

boofhead

The breakdown in the family, caused in part by the breakdown in morality, marriage, together with the increase of single women on welfare has caused more families to be fatherless. Maybe promote is too strong but facilitate? Encourage?

Liberals see it as necessary in order to break down our way of life/government to bring in the socialistic paradise they want us to become. Making people more dependent on government is one of the tools they use and single mother families suit them just fine. Of course abortion would go up under those conditions, with a lack of financial and family stability being just one factor.

No conservative wants to see this and no conservative would encourage or support it.

Morgan

What services are you referring to, there are all kinds of service, some, for example, may be for research. Nothing should be assumed with such an allegation, be specific please, post something from PP to validate what you say.

Morgan

[quote=bylm1-Bernie][quote=Morgan]
If the economy is doing so GREAT, BETTER THEN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES(TRUMP QUOTE) why can't we be pay our bills?[/quote



I think you are a bit confused, Morgan, no one is encouraging fathers not to be involved. Fathers, in increasing numbers are choosing not to be involved. What liberal policies are encouraging is having more children out of wedlock when they are largely, by definition, in lower income brackets and qualify for EBT cards and other forms of welfare. I'm well aware of the costs involved in raising children, however I also made sure I didn't outspend my income. I feel that those who genuinely need welfare should have it but it shouldn't be passed out freely without adequate control.

If you're worried about the debt, as I am also, the biggest culprit in raising our debt has been the former President's policies. I'm not happy about it now but let's put the lion's share of blame where it belongs.[/quote]




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Your quote again: "Liberal POLICIES encourage single women to have lots of kids on welfare and the father is not required or involved."
You now state: "no one is encouraging fathers not to be involved" so which is it, and you say "I'm confused" not likely, it seems to me you are the confused one here.

Do you back up anything you say? I found the opposite to be true, more fathers are getting involved. Here is my proof, please note, with the increase of fathers being more involved but may not choose to marry the mother, as also with the women, people of today no longer want to raise a child in a loveless marriage. If you consider that outlook as Liberal or progressive then that you may be correct, but not wanting to be in a loveless marriage does not equate to encouraging fathers to walk away.

I disagree, it is the actions of our present Congress and President, again your accusations are vague and unsupported.