Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Morgan

The breakdown of the family caused by the breakdown of morality is subjective, with the emancipation of women, especially since the sixties, and with more women having careers, many women were unwilling and refused to stay tied to a marriage that may have been hurtful to them, do you find that immoral? If women could be more valued and paid equal to men, you would see less of them on welfare.

Socialism is not believed to be any form of paradise or utopia, by anyone, that's simply a fallacy.

Wome on welfare has not "caused" families to be on welfare, it is the fathers walking away and not giving child support to the mothers that caused fatherless families, how do you manage to blame the woman is putting the cart before the horse.

Please don't misunderstand I am 100% of both being responsible "before" the act and prevent the pregnancy, no one should be getting pregnant if you don't want to be in today's day and age especially to what is at their disposal. I have no sympathies.

boofhead

I don't mean to blame the women. I see it as a given that many men do not support their partners or their children leaving the woman to cope alone and it must be tough if she has no money and finds herself pregnant once again. Turning to PP for help is understandable. Given what I know about liberals I feel that they must take the lion's share of the blame because of the policies they promote, policies that are designed to break down our society and replace it with socialism or worse. Be glad to discuss those policies but in this case I want to concentrate on the evil of a******n. Marriages between conservatives of course break down too, but conservatives are not predisposed to abandon the children as a result and will pay child support or wh**ever to protect them. I realize this is simplistic and subjective but I have lots of personal experience to be sure I am right.

Morgan

I believe you think you are correct based on your personal knowledge and people, but if you think the only women having a******ns are Liberals or Democrats and not Conservatives or Republicans, I'm sorry but you are very much mistaken. This sounds much like generations ago who thought that "good" girls didn't get pregnant. Pregnancies and a******ns really have no party boundaries, no boundaries at all.

Again Liberal policies are mentioned, what policies are these? I hope you don't think having an a******n is a Liberal policy for birth control, that isn't true, I assure that is pure propaganda pushed from the right. No women...NONE, want to have an a******n. The main reason for a******ns is the two people who are mixing it up, are doing so mindlessly...there's the problem because there is no reason to get pregnant in today's day an age. Even if a mistake is made that night there's a pill she can take afterward to "prevent" fertilization,(not an a******n pill).

debeda

Carol Kelly

I keep saying this whole conflict is because Kavanagh is a Pro Lifer. I, too, am pro life.
I am also a Christian and I resent my tax dollars paying for the MURDER of innocents.
Let them have a******ns as long as they pay for it. Some are using a******ns as a form of birth control.

Morgan

WEll you can stop the resentment, isn't that good news! FYI ~ Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for a******ns. It's against the law.

According to the Department of Health and Human Service’s website, "by law, funds may not be used in programs where a******n is a method of family planning." Medicaid" funding is restricted by the Hyde Amendment to only a******n cases involving rape, incest or endangerment to the life of the mother.

Now you can complain about other spendings of your tax dollars.

Bad Bob Loc: Virginia

Morgan

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

boofhead's not brainwashed but I believe that YOU ARE. I would venture a guess that you're had NO hands on experience with welfare recipients. Well, I have. I worked security for almost 3 years at a section 8 apartment facility that had a little over 200 apartments. ( All in one building that used to be a big hotel.) Most of these tenets were black. I saw NO Hispanics while I was there (except for 2 Cubans). I would say that 3 % or less were white. Nothing racial intended, that was just the ratio of who lived there.
Most of these people, white or black were alcoholics, crackheads, potheads, and smoked cigarettes. All of these vises sometimes but none of them all of the time. Usually Mother's Day, ( welfare check day), would find them seeking crack. Dealers would come over from the Westside, an old style project, knowing that people HAD the money. I used to watch this one woman walk out at a very brisk pace, get into a car, and go around the block only to get out and rush back upstairs. Classic crack user. When black women got that rock, they would get all flirty and come on to us guards. White women would hibernate so as not to share their score. Throw in some alcohol and cigarettes and it was party time for 2 to 4 days. After that, they would be back to bumming cigarettes and money. I learned not to have cash and I had quit smoking. Almost all of them had multiple kids and the fathers were not allowed to stay there (so as to get that government money). There was more than one case where the mother had grown kids, some of them living in the same building as MOM, with kids of their own.
I knew one guy who was paying $25 a month for rent, but he worked at an automotive detail shop making $400 to $500 per week. Fact of business, just about all of them had something they did on the side to generate a cash flow, most of which was illegal. Two young white ladies moved in and started prostituting within 3 days. One of them tried to sell me 'some'. Others sold drugs. One white woman asked me to get a black man out of her room and not tell her husband ( who was on a short trip). She had shared his dope but wouldn't come out of her panties ( although she had before many times with this same guy).
One woman was diagnosed schizophrenic and HER mother had squirted lighter fluid on the guy that worked at the detail shop and set him on fire. He showed me the scars.
A lot of those people went to the hospitals on a regular basis for drugs, mostly opioids, and they would get them but only once every couple of weeks. Fire trucks were at the building anywhere from 2 to 5 times a day. Ambulance at least once a day.
Nothing racial , but the building manager was a black lady who was escorted out by police for embezzlement. When I went to work there, there were NEW windows for every apartment in the basement. They were still there when I left. Some apartments had no doors or drawers on their cabinets. The white lady before her received the same treatment for the same crime. Neither one was prosecuted, which surprised me greatly.
The Westsdie, the Eastside, and the Southside projects were infestations of prostitution, drugs, and gangs. Everyone in those projects that wasn't a gangsta' was afraid not only at night but all the time.

Let's add all this up and see the sum of it...
Everyone in my building had a free cell phone (just no minutes because they liked to talk).
They all had free medical.
They all got clothes from local churches.
They got food stamps.
Local farmers would bring in fresh produce once a week, and sometimes a bread company would deliver free bread.
They all got subsidized housings.
A few had jobs (illegally), two I knew were legitimate. ( Both were severely handicapped.)
Most DIDN'T work.
Most had expensive 'habits'.
While it might not have been a luxurious lifestyle, it certainly WAS a life of leisure for most of them. They one's that worked did so because they wanted to.
No one encouraged it, but recipients learned quickly, the more kids, the bigger the checks, because the great majority of women had a gang of kids.
The young boys became criminals because there was no father figure around. I've seen girls as young as 15 street walking for the money. Money, money, money,money!!!
If a woman had 5 kids, there would usually be 2 to 4 fathers.
There were people working there to make sure that the tenets got 'everything' that was offered.
In fairness, this was not EVERY single one, but was the great majority.

So, boofhead is NOT brainwashed and neither am I. I don't quote off somebody else's statistics because I l saw it 5 days a week first hand for almost 3 years. It's exactly like boofhead said and worse.

Morgan

debeda

Morgan

You missed my point completely, which was about blaming the women and Liberals for intentionally implementing welfare for the demise of poverty-stricken mothers and encouraging fatherless families, which is what I referred to as brainwashed. Why would anyone promote fatherless families and people on Welfare? You simply went on a disgruntled venting rant of Welfare recipients. One cannot surmise only from the viewpoint of their own backyard, this is why we have statistics, it is information to allow us a proper and broaden perspective. To ignore information is choosing ignorance and not being well informed. As you can view below.

Most Black people believe that more w****s are on welfare, and most white people that more B****s are on welfare. So who's right? Well, here are the facts according to a newly released 2016 report by the US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute.


Number of Americans receiving welfare assistance: 110,489,000
Number of Americans receiving food stamps: 41,700,000
Number of Americans on unemployment insurance: 10,200,000
Percentage of the US population on welfare: 35.4%
Total government spending on welfare annually: $131.9 billion

So how many B****s vs w****s?

Well, believe it or not, the numbers are actually about the same. There are just about as many w****s on welfare as there are B****s.

Percent of welfare recipients who are white: 38.8%
Percent of welfare recipients who are black: 39.8%

(Note: Many people confuse these statistics. This does not mean that 38.8% of all w***e A******ns, and 39.8% of all B***k A******ns are on welfare. It means that 39.8% of all the actual welfare recipients are Black, and 38.8% of all the welfare recipients are white.)

bylm1-Bernie

Morgan, whether you realize it or not, you are making a case for your opponents. Doesn't the fact that over 1/3 of the population are on welfare (I question those stats) appear to be troubling to you? B****s in the US population number about 12%. Does it make sense that there are an equal number of them on welfare? I presume that the remaining 20% are classified as 'other'. I would like to see fewer people on welfare, wouldn't you? I submit that there are 2 things that we should strive for in the US. (1) There should be welfare for those who truly need it. (2) There should be no one on welfare who can work and provide for him/herself.

As a conservative, I will concede that the euphemistic term "Corporate Welfare" exists and that much of that is not distributed in a way consistent with responsible fiscal policy. Politicians talk a lot about welfare reform but rarely do anything to really improve it.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

Do you not know that statistics are just numbers that can be manipulated to reflect wh**ever the statistician wants? Well, I do...my brother in law teaches statistics at a local college. Did you know that during Obama's terms that unemployment fell even thought there did not seem to be any new jobs? Why, you may ask? Because when the unemployment benefits ran out, those people fell off the scale. The statistics you talk about only included those already employed, those recently employed, and those on unemployment. Those who had no benefits left also had no place in statistics. I'm just saying that when you throw statistics out there with no personal experience, you get a different picture than if you become personally involved with the people who actually get these benefits.
I may have sounded harsh about those people, but I had many, many friends there. I still talk to some of them on the phone. I see some of them out from time to time. They liked me because I didn't disrespect them or their condition. I actually helped those that I could. Some of my good friends there have died.
That said, I was just telling you what my personal experience was. If that experience doesn't agree with statistics, what's to do? I didn't make ANYTHING up. The statistics you quote may be correct for the whole nation, but none of us live in the whole nation. We live in cities, towns, and neighborhoods. You scolded boofhead pretty hard for what he said, when I actually saw what he was saying and worse almost everyday for 3 or so years.