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Aug 20, 2018 11:31:26   #
Sicilianthing
 
eagleye13 wrote:
The only out, is firing the FED, and abolishing the "debt". Print and create US notes, without "debt" tied to them.
Not going to happen; so the indentured servants of america will continue to be locked into unpayable perpetual "debt".


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So you dont think Trump will end the FED or go after the Banksters ?

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Aug 20, 2018 11:33:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I am sorry but there is no way that is any thing but a perverted way to describe what the tax system is or should be.

Do you honestly believe every one should pay the same amount of money in taxes?

I say if you find things wrong with our system.
If you feel that the solotion lays in sone having unlimited resources.
While others are left with out reasonable opportunities to have access to resources.
Will only end in failure for all.

Some how I can not come to believe that is a true part of who you are.
I say people like you & I have every right to lay out what it is we would like to see or have in the way the world is run.

If we (You & I & others like us) do not find in our self's the means too bring sanity & reason to the situation we find our self in.
It will only mean we are in total agreement with what we see there now.

WE ARE NOT AT THAT LEVEL OF AGREEMENT.

Two many of us wish to play the political game.

Lead by others who chose their own rewards.
Taking the rewards with out meeting the obligations & responsibility's needed.

Why do so many on the right have this fear that they can not play on an even playing field?

I am just arogant enough to feel that I play any game on any field by what ever rules chosen.
At least I feel that is how I should look at it.

But who should deside the rules of the game?
In this case I say we all should have a oersonal input.
I am sorry but there is no way that is any thing b... (show quote)


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A 10% flat tax on everthing for 500year moratorium
But end the 16th and end personal income tax, we fought a WAR for it.
End of Story

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Aug 20, 2018 11:58:59   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
buffalo wrote:
The last time anything close to that happening was when JFK was POTUS and we both know what happened to him...


We do need the FED.
We don't need the debt.

We may have to but our self out of the deal.
We do not know to what ends they may go to keep the deal as it is.

Considering the economic problems we face as a nation.
It may be a good time to seek a restructure of the situation.

The biggest thing we as individuals can do is to put our self's on an all cash budget.
That may be why there is such a great interest I getting rid of cash.
As individuals that is not taking hold very well. (MAY IT NEVER TOTLALY END)

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Aug 20, 2018 12:00:09   #
Sicilianthing
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
We do need the FED.
We don't need the debt.

We may have to but our self out of the deal.
We do not know to what ends they may go to keep the deal as it is.

Considering the economic problems we face as a nation.
It may be a good time to seek a restructure of the situation.

The biggest thing we as individuals can do is to put our self's on an all cash budget.
That may be why there is such a great interest I getting rid of cash.
As individuals that is not taking hold very well. (MAY IT NEVER TOTLALY END)
We do need the FED. br We don't need the debt. br ... (show quote)


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PASS Wrong Answer

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Aug 20, 2018 12:12:01   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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PASS Wrong Answer


Again: I an not wish you well.

If my answers are wrong.
Well yours are much farther wrong.

You speak of an armed revolt.
A frontal attack on the government as it stands.
It is domed to fail.

There is no winning when you deal with those in power.

I will not take up arms in any exchanges with any one.
Once it all starts there ending is only bad.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:17:08   #
Sicilianthing
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Again: I an not wish you well.

If my answers are wrong.
Well yours are much farther wrong.

You speak of an armed revolt.
A frontal attack on the government as it stands.
It is domed to fail.

There is no winning when you deal with those in power.

I will not take up arms in any exchanges with any one.
Once it all starts there ending is only bad.


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Go to the ConventionOfStates.com
COS.com

Look at the pillars...

See the actions to be voted on...

The fist order of business is the complete removal of all officials in D.C.

How do you think that’s going to be enforced ?

Do you seriously think these Criminal A**holes are just going off quietly into the sunset ?

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Aug 20, 2018 12:27:46   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Floyd, this may not be an illustration that is comfortable for you to see, but it is, nevertheless, pretty accurate. First, everyone doesn't pay the same amount in income taxes. Half the people pay no income taxes at all. Secondly, If you confiscated the incomes of the top .01 percent of people, you would not be able to get the job done. The middle class pays a big share of the burden. Why? Because that's where the bulk of the money is. In my opinion, the big problem is that big government is too big and spending too much money while producing nothing. The EPA, the DOE, the Dept of Agri., to name only a few of the big bureacracies, is costing way too much money and doing nothing. These sponges should be totally revamped and possibly done away with. It is a fact that in a successful capitalistic economy, there are going to be some who get rich. Instead of being jealous of these folks, you would be better served to accept this and do your best to succeed. The top 1% are not the same people every year. People move in and out of the top for many reasons. Free market capitalism affords the best opportunity for people to become successful than any system ever devised. There may be negatives, but focusing on the positives rather that the negatives will prove to be the best plan. Good luck and God Bless.
Floyd, this may not be an illustration that is com... (show quote)


bylm1, do you think those bottom 47% (actually) that pay no INCOME taxes pay NO taxes at all? You and a bunch of other "experts" forget that those 47% (that pay no INCOME tax) actually pay a greater percentage of their incomes in the other taxes...Social Security, Medicare, federal excise, fuel, sales TAXES, taxes that are conveniently forgotten by you apparatchiks when arguing how much INCOME taxes the poor abused rich are robbed of. No one, especially a federal government that is owned and controlled by the wealthy 1%, is talking about confiscating all the incomes of the rich. So get real! Now who are those 47% that pay no INCOME taxes? The working poor ($50,000 annually or less for a family of 4), the elderly (have they not already paid their dues?), or The low income ( for a family of 4 the first $27,000 is exempt).

The bulk of the money is not in the middle class. Where did you come up with that bullshit lie? The wealthiest families may have low income, but the value of their assets earns enough money to support their lifestyle. Dividends from trusts or gains in the stock market do not fall under the definition of income and are therefore taxed at a much lower rate, but are the primary money flows for the wealthy. How is this fair? We do not tax wealth in the US, we tax incomes. And the rich have made sure that IRS rules allow them to hide a great deal of their INCOME.

I will agree that there is many federal departments that could and should be abolished that would reduce spending. The excessive, wasteful and fraudulent military spending on continual, illegal, unConstitutional, immoral warmongering could be slashed in half and the US would still spend more on its warmongering than any other nation, still about twice what China spends.

You are also wrong that the US is a free market capitalist economy. The US has become an oligarchy and the masses have been locked out. It is not a matter of being jealous of the wealthy. It is a critical issue of how they obtain that wealth by ill gotten gain and by capture of regulatory government.

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Aug 20, 2018 12:31:34   #
Sicilianthing
 
buffalo wrote:
bylm1, do you think those bottom 47% (actually) that pay no INCOME taxes pay NO taxes at all? You and a bunch of other "experts" forget that those 47% (that pay no INCOME tax) actually pay a greater percentage of their incomes in the other taxes...Social Security, Medicare, federal excise, fuel, sales TAXES, taxes that are conveniently forgotten by you apparatchiks when arguing how much INCOME taxes the poor abused rich are robbed of. No one, especially a federal government that is owned and controlled by the wealthy 1%, is talking about confiscating all the incomes of the rich. So get real! Now who are those 47% that pay no INCOME taxes? The working poor ($50,000 annually or less for a family of 4), the elderly (have they not already paid their dues?), or The low income ( for a family of 4 the first $27,000 is exempt).

The bulk of the money is not in the middle class. Where did you come up with that bullshit lie? The wealthiest families may have low income, but the value of their assets earns enough money to support their lifestyle. Dividends from trusts or gains in the stock market do not fall under the definition of income and are therefore taxed at a much lower rate, but are the primary money flows for the wealthy. How is this fair? We do not tax wealth in the US, we tax incomes. And the rich have made sure that IRS rules allow them to hide a great deal of their INCOME.

I will agree that there is many federal departments that could and should be abolished that would reduce spending. The excessive, wasteful and fraudulent military spending on continual, illegal, unConstitutional, immoral warmongering could be slashed in half and the US would still spend more on its warmongering than any other nation, still about twice what China spends.

You are also wrong that the US is a free market capitalist economy. The US has become an oligarchy and the masses have been locked out. It is not a matter of being jealous of the wealthy. It is a critical issue of how they obtain that wealth by ill gotten gain and by capture of regulatory government.
bylm1, do you think those bottom 47% (actually) th... (show quote)


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Correct Answer, this is why the16th must be repealed...

END the Personal Income tax.

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Aug 20, 2018 13:33:56   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Correct Answer, this is why the16th must be repealed...

END the Personal Income tax.


A progressive income tax is a plank of the Communist Manifesto.

BTW; it is misapplied to 98% of US citizens.
Read 'Cracking the Code' by Hendrickson.

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Aug 20, 2018 14:47:56   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Correct Answer, this is why the16th must be repealed...

END the Personal Income tax.


Now trumpy is proposing indexing the cost of capital investments to inflation. In other words a $10,000 investment in stocks held 3 years with a CPI of 5% would be COST adjusted to $10,500. So, if the stock were sold for $12,000, the capital gains would be calculated on $1500.00 not $1200.00. So figure out the TAX savings on $10 MILLION in investment. This is just another tax gimmick for the rich by trumpy and for trumpy. My god how much are they going to fv(k the middle and poor classes?

NOPE, I am for the rich paying 50% of their incomes in taxes including capital gains.

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Aug 20, 2018 14:54:34   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
buffalo wrote:
Now trumpy is proposing indexing the cost of capital investments to inflation. In other words a $10,000 investment in stocks held 3 years with a CPI of 5% would be COST adjusted to $10,500. So, if the stock were sold for $12,000, the capital gains would be calculated on $1500.00 not $1200.00. So figure out the TAX savings on $10 MILLION in investment. This is just another tax gimmick for the rich by trumpy and for trumpy. My god how much are they going to fv(k the middle and poor classes?

NOPE, I am for the rich paying 50% of their incomes in taxes including capital gains.
Now trumpy is proposing indexing the cost of capit... (show quote)


Damn buffalo; I had no idea you were sooo greedy.
Why not 65%?

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Aug 20, 2018 15:16:11   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
eagleye13 wrote:
Damn buffalo; I had no idea you were sooo greedy.
Why not 65%?


Greedy? I ain't gettin any of it. Hey, that sounds even better!

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Aug 20, 2018 15:20:41   #
son of witless
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Okay the tax system is not fair.

But just how is the whole system. Is there any unfairness to the wealthy in the system as a whole.
If so why is all of the wealth ending up in fewer hands?
Plus how free is the free market system?

I say most of us get by forgoing many things offered in the free market place.
I am 81 years old & have went with out a lot of things.
I am not jealous of any one.

I have food in my stomach, clothes on my back & shoes for most types of weahter.
A roof over my head & a bed to sleep in & hooked up to the internet.
At TV to watch A the time to do pretty much of what I choose to do.

I get up in the morning & go to bed when I want.
Now when they can get the person in the White hose to act like a President should.
I wil just lay back & not seek pleasure out there that I have done with out any how.

I found out a long time ago that while there was much I was free to do.
There are limits to what any one can do if they wish to get along in the world around them.

There is little I can do to over come the stupidness of many voting for those that have no interest in doing any thing to really make the system work the way it should.
Okay the tax system is not fair. br br But just h... (show quote)



Why do you lump all of the rich into the same pot ? Why do you assume that all of the wealthy are all Republicans. Democrats have more than matched Republicans in Rich Guy support for at least the last decade.

Why do you assume that Obama and Hillary voters are not just as stupid as Trump voters ?

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Aug 20, 2018 15:23:09   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
Why do you lump all of the rich into the same pot ? Why do you assume that all of the wealthy are all Republicans. Democrats have more than matched Republicans in Rich Guy support for at least the last decade.

Why do you assume that Obama and Hillary voters are not just as stupid as Trump voters ?


Because they are.

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Aug 20, 2018 15:39:27   #
son of witless
 
buffalo wrote:
Because they are.


Consistency. If we must bash the rich out of class envy then also bash the rich who fund the Jack asses.

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