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Jul 11, 2018 08:31:31   #
Morgan
 
EmilyD wrote:
But it is not energy. A soul can be destroyed - by Satan.


That is one line of thinking, but if we went by your conclusion the soul still exists but in "hell". I don't believe in that myself.

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Jul 11, 2018 11:01:25   #
Morgan
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Clay is inanimate, it has no living cells or DNA. A tadpole has no human cells or human DNA. It isn't a question of potential, a human embryo is in fact a human, it cannot be anything else, not a bowl or a tadpole.


I believe you have the belief, that the human life is above all, I don't, the earth and living creatures are better off without humans on it. Has the earth been better off with us on it you tell me?

Yes, a potential is what could be but what it presently isn't.

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Jul 11, 2018 11:04:07   #
Carol Kelly
 
EL wrote:
A woman has no control over her life is she gets pregnant when she doesn't want to.


Only in the case of rape! Or worst case scenario,incest.

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Jul 11, 2018 11:10:04   #
Morgan
 
Peewee wrote:
Test the DNA of the mother against the DNA of the baby/fetus, it will never match, they are two different people because of dad's DNA. The Mom is the garden/ground the new person grow's in, dad planted the seed. Nothing confusing about it. It also Science and it begins at conception. No, "the morning after pill either". You may have already conceived and it would be murder. Abstain, tie your tubes, get a vasectomy. If the mother kills her baby it's murder, if dad punches her in the stomach so that she miscarries he commits murder. If they collude they both commit murder. Defund Planned Parenthood, do not make me complicit to murder using my tax dollars, not one penny.
Test the DNA of the mother against the DNA of the ... (show quote)


Planned Parenthood doesn't put tax dollars to abortions, that is illegal since 1977, an annual budget rider called the Hyde Amendment has been signed into law prohibiting federal payments through Medicaid for most abortions. Exceptions include ending pregnancies when the mother’s life is in danger, and since 1993 abortions in the case of rape, or incest.

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Jul 11, 2018 12:00:28   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
whulse wrote:
OMG, I never thought this would happen. Kevyn and I agree on something!

But further, IMHO, opinions on abortion are like assholes, about everyone has one, and they are different most of the time. These opinions are based on how you were raised, IAW "You are what you were when!" No one's opinion is any better or worse than someone's else, except in the mind of the persons doing the complaining. Abortion is not a Federal, State, County, nor City issue, it is an issue between the person and their upbringing. The government should just stay out of it. No taxpayer should EVER be forced to pay for someone else's abortion, nor have they the right, or obligation to criticize someone for having one. It is frankly just none of their business, and it doesn't hurt them physically, so they should just learn to tolerate it and go on living within the boundaries of their own individual ideology and theology, whatever it may be! Many problems can arise when one tries to force one's ideology upon someone else that differs from their mindset; sometimes even war results. I try to live my life without hurting others, but sometimes hurting someone is inevitable, as is getting hurt! How one handles this "hurting" makes a lot of difference!

Roe vs Wade is now the law, and sanctioned by the Supreme Court, so it should be "settled law," but IMHO it should never have been written into law in the first place, Federal, State, County, or City. We simply have to much "government," and too many "lawyers!" If challenged, and overturned, unless it is just simply repealed, what we may get to replace it will probably be even worse!

The Socialists appear to believe they must CONTROL EVERYTHING by TAXING EVERYTHING or INCARCERATING EVERYONE WITH AN OPINION THAT DIFFERS FROM THEIR OWN! That is my primary objection to the Socialist cause, and the STATE owning everything is another!

The Constitution, with it's Bill of Rights, was written to protect legal citizens from an overreaching government, not to protect the government from the people.

The First Amendment ensures the people can express an opinion about the government, or most anything else, and "speak truth to power," without reprisal.

The Second Amendment was written, not to protect Bambi, but to ensure that the legal citizens of this USA have the means to remove an overreaching tyrannical government, and if voting fails, by force if necessary.

In spite of what Socialist agitprop attempting to brainwash us into believing it is bad, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the most important documents the USA has ever had, and it is also the "Law of the Land." Democracy nor Abortion appears NOWHERE in either document, and most of the laws passed by Congress beyond the Tenth Amendment were written to benefit the "lawmakers" and their friends, and there are so many laws now that nobody can possibly remember them all so we break a good many of them every day; that makes us a country of "outlaws!"

It is high time we got back to being a Constitutionally limited Republic under the Constitution, a Sovereign Nation, and a world leader. We can't help EVERYONE on the planet, but those we do elect to help should receive our help on their own soil to make their own country into a suitable place for them to live, rather than allowing them to illegally migrate here, then allowing them to attempt to remake the USA into a replica of what they were running from, which is the height of absurdity, and approaching insanity!

I doubt that you, Kevyn, being a liberal extremist and me being rather conservative, agree with me, but I really don't care. I happen to love the USA as it used to be, before the Socialist came out of the closet, and the Congress evolved into a Congress of Apes, and Big Finance, Big Pharma, and Big War Industries took over as the "Deep State!"

I have my opinions and you have yours, and that is how it should be. I hold no hate for you personally, even though I believe you're wrong most of the time. I may not be right all the time either, I just put out what makes sense to me. Maybe we can just agree to disagree, in a civil manner, right or wrong. Have a nice day.
OMG, I never thought this would happen. Kevyn and ... (show quote)


Hot damn this is well written and thought out!!!
Enjoyed reading it very much....



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Jul 11, 2018 12:04:55   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
Can’t pay, don’t play.


about covers it right here!!!

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Jul 11, 2018 12:21:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
old marine wrote:
Well I doubt a human female could.

But looking at a certain female socialists democrat woman (?) I sort of believe it could happen, 🐵🐒🐎🐴




I don’t know old marine, they haven’t perfected it yet...But they are trying !!











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Jul 11, 2018 13:08:20   #
Marsinah
 
lindajoy wrote:
Yes, she is and was even before she just started speaking her mind so to speak.. In her capacity though it violates the fundamental rule of staying impartial, and keeping her personal opinion out of the public at hand.. She has diminished the respect of the highest court in her outlandish disrepect which leaves me not respecting her!!!

No doubt about it, Marsinah.. It allowed irresponsiblity and thinking they could just abort all because they both couldn’t take a pill or put on a condom....

I support freedom of choice because I don’t believe our government should be interferring in our right.. I do not support abortion unless medically necessary or rape, incest.. I do believe in carrying too term and then adoption in those late term pregnancy where a fully developed live sustaining baby is involved..

Hey, Forgive me for not welcoming you earlier..Welcome and enjoy..Great topics and people, take nothing serious.. We do get passionate in our political views at times... 🌺🌹
Yes, she is and was even before she just started s... (show quote)


Thanks, lj. But you know me.

Murder, lj, is not a right. If a woman chooses to have sex, she is also choosing to carry a baby---a new soul---to term, should that possibility occur.

By the way, stay away from Rodney, ok? He told me he likes to impress you.

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Jul 11, 2018 13:10:10   #
Marsinah
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
Ron: Just get the Federal Government out of the decision! The American People should not be paying for abortions with federal money as well as State money! This is a moral issue!


The American people should not be paying for others to get their rocks off, either. Welfare, when you get down to it, is basically just that: payments for breeding. Or lack thereof.

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Jul 11, 2018 13:11:19   #
Marsinah
 
Morgan wrote:
This is true, it has the potential of becoming...a baby. A ball of clay is not a bowl, it is a process. The beginnings of a tadpole looks an awful lot like an embryo.


Get a microscope. Things happen, Morg, that can't be seen by the naked eye. Or take a course in embryology.

When you are engaging in the instantaneous gratification of sexual pleasure, there are things going on in your body that in most cases contribute to the well-being of society. In your case, probably not, but I wouldn't hold that against any offspring of yours.

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Jul 11, 2018 13:14:39   #
Marsinah
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Clay is inanimate, it has no living cells or DNA. A tadpole has no human cells or human DNA. It isn't a question of potential, a human embryo is in fact a human, it cannot be anything else, not a bowl or a tadpole.


Perhaps we should ask Morg just how does clay become a bowl? Does it just sit there, and then one day Whammy! it's a bowl?

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Jul 11, 2018 13:15:50   #
Marsinah
 
Nickolai wrote:
Public money to plan parenthood cannot be used for performing abortions. Public money is used for poor peoples women's health purposes cancer screenings and such


Public money can be used for such. It is not legitimate, but it is done, and often.

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Jul 11, 2018 13:16:32   #
Marsinah
 
Morgan wrote:
I see your point, but having sex does not automatically determine you will become pregnant. There are only about six days the women can become pregnant which is including the life of a sperm. If a woman/girl took the time to know when she can become fertile that would help, with that being said aside from pregnancy unprotected sex is risky and dangerous to being vulnerable to std's.


Then why so many unwanted babies?

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Jul 11, 2018 13:17:36   #
Marsinah
 
ringoffire wrote:
allow me to interject...no man or woman has the right to tell another woman what to do with her body. While I have my family, what happens to the women who are just beginning to think about having a child or not? This is so personal it should not have ever become a conversation in the first place.


Can we tell her what to do with her baby? Or, that is, what NOT to do? Such as murder him, abuse him, and so forth?

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Jul 11, 2018 14:08:38   #
Morgan
 
Marsinah wrote:
Get a microscope. Things happen, Morg, that can't be seen by the naked eye. Or take a course in embryology.

When you are engaging in the instantaneous gratification of sexual pleasure, there are things going on in your body that in most cases contribute to the well-being of society. In your case, probably not, but I wouldn't hold that against any offspring of yours.



Thank you another civil comment from a righty, big surprise.

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