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Jul 10, 2018 21:50:08   #
Morgan
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Doesn't matter if the embryo or fetus is not a baby yet, it is still the beginning of a human's life. Never seen a human female give birth to a frog.


This is true, it has the potential of becoming...a baby. A ball of clay is not a bowl, it is a process. The beginnings of a tadpole looks an awful lot like an embryo.

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Jul 10, 2018 22:07:16   #
EmilyD
 
Morgan wrote:
Like I said it's like energy, β€œEnergy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another. JMO


But it is not energy. A soul can be destroyed - by Satan.

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Jul 10, 2018 22:15:12   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Morgan wrote:
This is true, it has the potential of becoming...a baby. A ball of clay is not a bowl, it is a process. The beginnings of a tadpole looks an awful lot like an embryo.
Clay is inanimate, it has no living cells or DNA. A tadpole has no human cells or human DNA. It isn't a question of potential, a human embryo is in fact a human, it cannot be anything else, not a bowl or a tadpole.

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Jul 10, 2018 22:17:46   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
EmilyD wrote:
But it is not energy. A soul can be destroyed - by Satan.
Fear not those who can k**l the body but not the soul, fear Him who can k**l the body and the soul in Gehenna.
Jesus (Matthew 10: 28)

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Jul 10, 2018 22:21:20   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
JoyV wrote:
Where do you live that women have no control over whether or not they can get pregnant? Is rape legal where you live? Yes, when you make a choice it either opens new doors for other choices, or closes doors to other choices. This is the same for many choices, not just pregnancy. The bigger the choice, the bigger the impact on other choices.


Test the DNA of the mother against the DNA of the baby/fetus, it will never match, they are two different people because of dad's DNA. The Mom is the garden/ground the new person grow's in, dad planted the seed. Nothing confusing about it. It also Science and it begins at conception. No, "the morning after pill either". You may have already conceived and it would be murder. Abstain, tie your tubes, get a vasectomy. If the mother k**ls her baby it's murder, if dad punches her in the stomach so that she miscarries he commits murder. If they collude they both commit murder. Defund Planned Parenthood, do not make me complicit to murder using my tax dollars, not one penny.

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Jul 10, 2018 22:34:41   #
Ricktloml
 
JoyV wrote:
Yes. A woman has the right to decide whether or not to have a child. Once that decision is made, it is her responsibility to see to the child's needs, or see that the child is given to someone else who will do so. She should not have the right to change her mind by eliminating the child from her body once the child exists. The choice was already made before she got pregnant. She CHOSE to engage in pregnancy causing activity without preventing herself getting pregnant (unless she was raped). That choice was hers to make and she made it. One made she could still change her mind on raising a child, but should not have the right to decide on whether or not that child has the right to live. She chose to start a baby inside her body, by not preventing it. That was her choice. To end its life is no different than ending its life after birth. Would you feel the same about a private individual who decides to eliminate a baby after 11 months from the start of her pregnancy? No one should force her to raise a child she does not want. She could choose not to raise a child by giving it up for adopting. But should her right to live her life without being saddled by a child mean she should be legally allowed to commit infanticide? Now maybe some feel infanticide should be legal. Aborting an unborn baby is also infanticide which is legal because of the age of the infant, counting from the start of pregnancy.
Yes. A woman has the right to decide whether or no... (show quote)


Thank-you! It is appalling reading how almost 50 years of dismembering the unborn has cheapened life to the point that anyone can casually say a woman has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And how ANY woman could k**l her own flesh and blood is d********g. It is the most barbaric, savage, uncivilized act there is. There is only ONE instance where a******n should be considered. If the mother would die if she remained pregnant. Any other instance is murder.

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Jul 10, 2018 22:40:26   #
Ricktloml
 
JoyV wrote:
There is no constitutional guarantee to a******ns! There are no amendments regarding a******ns. The Supreme Court applied the Due Process Clause in the 5th and 14th amendments to cover a******ns. The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a due process clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the due process clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law. So the very clause which is suppose to safeguard against arbitrary denial of life, is used to sanction arbitrary k*****g of babies.

But in many states, k*****g babies is murder including for the unborn. The following list is a list of states whose homicide laws cover the unborn throughout the entire time of pregnancy.

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisianna
Michigan
Mennesota
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
West Virginia
Wisconsin

The following list of states have homicide laws which cover part of the time of pregnancy.


California
Maryland
Massachusetts
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
Rhode Island
Washington

And New York has conflicting laws making it a homicide to k**l an unborn, and another defining a person as having to be born.
There is no constitutional guarantee to a******ns!... (show quote)


I believe it is LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness

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Jul 10, 2018 22:45:08   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Doesn't matter if the embryo or fetus is not a baby yet, it is still the beginning of a human's life. Never seen a human female give birth to a frog.

Well I doubt a human female could.

But looking at a certain female socialists democrat woman (?) I sort of believe it could happen, πŸ΅πŸ’πŸŽπŸ΄

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Jul 10, 2018 23:28:25   #
EmilyD
 
Ricktloml wrote:
I believe it is LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness


Just because states have laws and government have laws and the Supreme Court made a ruling about what is now allowed under the "law" does not protect the life of the baby that has begun.

It used to be that women were so afraid to have a baby because their man didn't want another one that a******n was born (no pun intended, believe me). Women were beaten when they became pregnant. Little by little, a******n became the solution to financial problems in a family. As the technique of a******n became more pronounced, women started to see that it wasn't a big deal if they got pregnant because it was easy to "get rid of it". And now we have hundreds of thousands of a******ns each year. Women are no longer beaten because they get pregnant...they just have to have a little bit or money, or none in the case of "poverty" and they get rid of thousands upon thousands of babies every year. This is repulsive on so many levels it just blows my mind. All those poor little babies!

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Jul 10, 2018 23:33:20   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Thank-you! It is appalling reading how almost 50 years of dismembering the unborn has cheapened life to the point that anyone can casually say a woman has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And how ANY woman could k**l her own flesh and blood is d********g. It is the most barbaric, savage, uncivilized act there is. There is only ONE instance where a******n should be considered. If the mother would die if she remained pregnant. Any other instance is murder.
Right on, Rick, right on.

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Jul 10, 2018 23:44:01   #
EmilyD
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Thank-you! It is appalling reading how almost 50 years of dismembering the unborn has cheapened life to the point that anyone can casually say a woman has the right to decide who lives and who dies. And how ANY woman could k**l her own flesh and blood is d********g. It is the most barbaric, savage, uncivilized act there is. There is only ONE instance where a******n should be considered. If the mother would die if she remained pregnant. Any other instance is murder.


With rape - the baby is innocent to the happenstance of the beginning of its life - innocent. A good and kind woman would carry it to term and give it up for adoption. H**e for what happened to cause that innocent baby to be alive is understandable to you and me, but not to the baby. Adoption is alive still in the US. Check out those statistics.

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Jul 11, 2018 05:07:27   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
EmilyD wrote:
Just because states have laws and government have laws and the Supreme Court made a ruling about what is now allowed under the "law" does not protect the life of the baby that has begun.

It used to be that women were so afraid to have a baby because their man didn't want another one that a******n was born (no pun intended, believe me). Women were beaten when they became pregnant. Little by little, a******n became the solution to financial problems in a family. As the technique of a******n became more pronounced, women started to see that it wasn't a big deal if they got pregnant because it was easy to "get rid of it". And now we have hundreds of thousands of a******ns each year. Women are no longer beaten because they get pregnant...they just have to have a little bit or money, or none in the case of "poverty" and they get rid of thousands upon thousands of babies every year. This is repulsive on so many levels it just blows my mind. All those poor little babies!
Just because states have laws and government have ... (show quote)

That was true of stupid men. They were the cause of the problem. After a******ns were LAW of the land and paid for by the government there was a sexual revolution.

Teen agers began running wild, STD rampart, chastity ignored and morals declining. Christian principles and idea's thrown out of the window.

God bless, protect, preserve and bring people back to your Christian principles.

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Jul 11, 2018 06:36:27   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
bmac32 wrote:
No a******n should ever be used as birth control, ever!


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Jul 11, 2018 06:37:18   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
fredlott63 wrote:
If I, as a private citizen, want to shoot you in the head, should the government interfere? A******n is murder.


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Jul 11, 2018 06:39:58   #
jSmitty45 Loc: Fl born, lived in Texas 30 yrs, now Louisiana
 
EmilyD wrote:
And that is the most important thing of what is wrong with a******n - it is used as birth control! There are many ways to prevent pregnancy (the one that is 100% foolproof is not having sex). Since our technology has discovered that it can remove a fetus from a womb safely, a******n has skyrocketed. In 2014, 652,639 induced a******ns were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. That's 54,300+ per month...and that was 4 years ago. No one can tell me that all of those a******ns are a "mistake" because other forms of birth control didn't work. A woman has a choice about her own life, for sure, but once she begins another life, THAT person should also have a choice, or have representation of a choice, to live.
And that is the most important thing of what is wr... (show quote)


So agree, Emily. It is murder. any way you look at it. If you don't want to get pregnant, either abstain, or use protection. Sex before marriage is wrong anyway!

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