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Jul 19, 2018 19:14:09   #
JoyV
 
lindajoy wrote:
“In effect they do offer up safe havens to drop off a newborn~~Yet how many people know of it?? Especially teenaers ??

To prevent mothers from abandoning their babies, states have enacted safe haven laws that allow mothers to leave their unwanted babies in designated locations such as hospitals or churches without fear of being charged with a crime.

Safe haven laws, also known as "Baby Moses laws", serve a dual purpose:

to protect unwanted babies from potential harm and safety hazards, and,
to provide parents an alternative to child abandonment charges.
Currently, all 50 states have safe haven laws on the books, varying between the age limit, persons who may surrender a child, and circumstances required to relinquish an infant child. In most cases, parents can leave newborns in safe locations without having to disclose their identity or without being asked questions.

Designated Safe Haven Locations

Most states outline locations considered 'safe havens.' Generally, locations designated as safe havens are places that provide infant safety and where staff can provide immediate infant care. Depending on the state, designated safe haven locations may include health care clinics, police stations, fire stations, emergency medical technicians (EMT), churches, and other "safe" places a state deems acceptable.

In addition, most states emphasis that parents must relinquish unwanted infants in safe locations, so leaving an infant at the steps of a church when there is reason to believe that no one is there does not qualify.

Furthermore, depending on the state, safe haven providers must take the infant into custody, provide any necessary medical care, etc .”
“In effect they do offer up safe havens to drop of... (show quote)


Sorry I was not clear on what I was trying to convey. Safe haven is not a way to k**l an unwanted baby. There are no baby gas chambers or incinerators where unwanted babies are disposed of. This does nor correlate with k*****g a baby before he takes a breath (what use to be the universal definition of a living baby). This is an example of giving up an unwanted baby AFTER he takes a breath with no repercussions to the mother.

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Jul 19, 2018 20:41:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JoyV wrote:
Sorry I was not clear on what I was trying to convey. Safe haven is not a way to k**l an unwanted baby. There are no baby gas chambers or incinerators where unwanted babies are disposed of. This does nor correlate with k*****g a baby before he takes a breath (what use to be the universal definition of a living baby). This is an example of giving up an unwanted baby AFTER he takes a breath with no repercussions to the mother.


Thank You for clarifying.. No, there’s no place to drop a “baby you k**led.”..Nor should there be...Other than jail....

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Jul 19, 2018 23:28:09   #
Carol Kelly
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
That's a stupid thing to say. A woman needs a man to reproduce. Moreover, when it comes to aborting a baby, liberals pose the argument that women have the right to control her body, but they have no problem with women who are unable to control their bodies while engaging the act that impregnates them.

If men should have no influence over a woman's reproductive choices, then men who have nothing to do with a woman's reproductive choice should not be obligated to pick up the tab for her a******n.

The three fundamental problems with Roe v. Wade

January 20, 2017

By

Paul Stark

On Jan. 22, 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade and its companion case, Doe v. Bolton. The Court ruled that a******n must be permitted for any reason before fetal viability—and that it must be permitted for "health" reasons, broadly defined in Doe (such that they encompass virtually any reason), all the way until birth. Roe effectively legalized a******n-on-demand nationwide.

The New York Times proclaimed the verdict "a historic resolution of a fiercely controversial issue." But now, 44 years later, Roe has yet to "resolve" anything. And it never will. Three fundamental problems will continue to plague the Court and its a******n jurisprudence until the day when, finally, Roe is overturned.

Unjust

First, and most importantly, the outcome of Roe is harmful and unjust. Why? The facts of embryology show that the human embryo or fetus (the being whose life is ended in a******n) is a distinct and living human organism at the earliest stages of development. "Human development begins at fertilization when a sperm fuses with an oocyte to form a single cell, a zygote," explains a leading embryology textbook. "This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual."

Justice requires that the law protect the equal dignity and basic rights of every member of the human family—irrespective of age, size, ability, dependency, and the desires and decisions of others. This principle of human e******y, affirmed in the Declaration of Independence and the United Nations' Universal Declaration of Human Rights, is the moral core of western civilization. But the Roe Court ruled, to the contrary, that a particular class of innocent human beings (the unborn) must be excluded from the protection of the law and allowed to be dismembered and k**led at the discretion of others. "The right created by the Supreme Court in Roe," observes University of St. Thomas law professor Michael Stokes Paulsen, "is a constitutional right of some human beings to k**l other human beings."

After Roe, the incidence of a******n rose dramatically, quickly topping one million a******ns per year and peaking at 1.6 million in 1990 before gradually declining to just under one million in 2014 (the latest year for which complete estimates are available). Under the Roe regime, a******n is the leading cause of human death. More than 59 million human beings have now been legally k**led. And a******n has detrimentally impacted the health and well-being of many women (and men). The gravity and scale of this injustice exceed that of any other issue or concern in American society today.

Unconstitutional

The second problem with Roe is that it is an epic constitutional mistake. Justice Harry Blackmun's majority opinion claimed that the "right of privacy" found in the "liberty" protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment is "broad enough to encompass" a fundamental right to a******n. There is no reason to think that's true.

"What is frightening about Roe," noted the eminent constitutional scholar and Yale law professor John Hart Ely (who personally supported legalized a******n), "is that this super-protected right is not inferable from the language of the Constitution, the framers' thinking respecting the specific problem in issue, any general value derivable from the provisions they included, or the nation's governmental structure. … It is bad because it is bad constitutional law, or rather because it is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be."

Indeed, "[a]s a matter of constitutional interpretation and judicial method," writes Edward Lazarus, a former Blackmun clerk who is "utterly committed" to legalized a******n, "Roe borders on the indefensible. ... Justice Blackmun's opinion provides essentially no reasoning in support of its holding. And in the … years since Roe's announcement, no one has produced a convincing defense of Roe on its own terms."

But Roe is even more ridiculous than most observers realize. The American people adopted the Fourteenth Amendment during an era in which those same American people enacted numerous state laws with the primary purpose of protecting unborn children from a******n. A century later, Roe ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment somehow prevents Americans from doing what the ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment actually did. "To reach its result," Justice William Rehnquist quipped in his dissenting opinion, "the Court necessarily has had to find within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment a right that was apparently completely unknown to the drafters of the Amendment."

That's absurd. "The only conclusion possible from this history," Rehnquist explained, "is that the drafters did not intend to have the Fourteenth Amendment withdraw from the States the power to legislate with respect to this matter."

Undemocratic

Third, Roe is undemocratic. Roe and Doe v. Bolton together struck down the democratically decided a******n laws of all 50 states and replaced them with a nationwide policy of a******n-for-any-reason, whether the people like it or not. Of course, the Court may properly invalidate statutes that are inconsistent with the Constitution (which is the highest law). But Roe lacked any such justification.

Justice Byron White, a dissenter in Roe, explained the problem in his dissent in Thornburgh v. American College of Obstetricians & Gynecologists. "[T]he Constitution itself is ordained and established by the people of the United States," he wrote. "[D]ecisions that find in the Constitution principles or values that cannot fairly be read into that document usurp the people's authority, for such decisions represent choices that the people have never made, and that they cannot disavow through corrective legislation." Roe defied the Constitution and other laws that the American people agreed upon—and imposed the will of the unelected Court instead.

The radical (and frequently unrecognized or misreported) scope of the Roe regime, moreover, was not and has never been consistent with public opinion, which favors substantial legal limits on a******n. Millions and millions of Americans disagree with the a******n policy the Court invented. They want to have a say. The Court decided they could have none.

Why Roe will fall

So these are the three fundamental and intractable problems with Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court abused the Constitution to usurp the authority of the people by imposing an unjust policy with morally disastrous results. Unjust. Unconstitutional. Undemocratic.

Many a******n defenders want and expect Roe to last forever. It will not. "[A] bad decision is a bad decision," concedes Richard Cohen, a supporter of a******n, in the Washington Post. "If the best we can say for it is that the end justifies the means, then we have not only lost the argument—but a bit of our soul as well."

It's true that a legal embarrassment, like Roe, can sometimes survive long-term. But not when it produces an atrocious outcome that disenfranchises millions of compassionate Americans who will not rest, and will never rest, while the Court's usurpation remains in effect.

Sooner or later—hopefully sooner—Roe v. Wade will fall.
That's a stupid thing to say. A woman needs a man ... (show quote)

We can dream, can’t we? Meantime, they should be stopped until the Court issued a second opinion. First time around was crooked like so much that’s gone on. There’s a point when we must stop and rethink our stupidity.

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Jul 26, 2018 11:58:26   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JoyV wrote:
Conservatives prayed to God? I think you are confusing religion and politics.


God made the earth and then destroyed it with a flood. It would seem that God IS capable of making mistakes!

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