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Mar 1, 2014 09:28:48   #
SchoonerPete
 
ginnyt wrote:
In 2001, President William Jefferson (Bill) Clinton was president and he was indeed a democrat. Wikipedia "Capturing Osama bin Laden had been an objective of the United States government from the presidency of Bill Clinton until bin Laden's death in 2011.[115] It was asserted by Mansoor Ijaz that in 1996 while the Clinton Administration had begun pursuit of the policy, the Sudanese government allegedly offered to arrest and extradite Bin Laden as well as to provide the United States detailed intelligence information about growing militant organizations in the region, including Hezbollah and Hamas,[116] and that U.S. authorities allegedly rejected each offer, despite knowing of bin Laden's involvement in bombings on American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.[116] However, the 9/11 Commission found that although "former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Laden to the United States", "we have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim."[117] In 1998, two years after the warning, the Clinton administration ordered several military missions to capture or kill bin Laden that failed"

And the war continues under a democrat as president.

RESEARCH!
In 2001, President William Jefferson (Bill) Clinto... (show quote)


Excellent! Old Brian has a short memory, and doesn't research anything.

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Mar 1, 2014 09:42:41   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Searching wrote:
Ahhhh, Dutch, it would appear that you have regressed again. I'm sorry to see that. Perhaps, given your "lovely" tone, "they" were being gracious, relinquishing space in that septic tank to allow you a guaranteed room without a view to ensure your comfort.


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Mar 1, 2014 09:43:51   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
cant beleve wrote:
I am surprised at your anger because I won't just shut the f up! I am doing fine if I keep my mouth shut?? I didn't say anything other then gays might better serve the military using there brains in a different capacity then in the trenches where they are not wanted. You and Dutch going to get married cuz he's your flipping hero!
Maybe you and Brian should keep sparring. Sorry I stopped your tirade.
I will sleep and come to a realization that you hate people that oppose your self righteous Fanny
Good riddence to bad rubbish. And the military will be just fine without your stupidity and backass thinking.
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Mar 1, 2014 10:08:06   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Brian Devon wrote:
The far right's philosopy??? "If it feels bad, do it to someone else, especially if they don't look or act like you".

Exhibit A: Vietnam

Exhibit B: Iraq

Exhibit C: Afghanistan


Thanks for posting. I was beginning to think I'd been given incorrect directions and accidentally stumbled into a meeting of the good ol' boy club...KKK???

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Mar 1, 2014 10:33:38   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Repeat:

We spend more on our military than the next 12 nations combined, including China and russia. that's a simple fact.

Russia is surrounded by former client states that are, in many cases, hostile to the former Mother Country. Russia now has one region with access to the Atlantic-and that's above the Arctic Circle. The government has trouble paying ANY salary to many of it's soldiers and sailors.

China is a different story. Their technology still lags and their armed services are ill-trained and have poor discipline, but their trying. Without a doubt China will trying and be the major influence militarily and economically in Asia. We're going to have to form the same alliances we did to counter Soviet power in Europe. We can't finance a defense of Asia by ourselves-growing economies of Asia, Japan and India are going to have to pony up. Japan already is.

Besides, China is investing in domestic infrastructure much like the US did during the 1950s and 1960s when it invested in the Interstate Highway system. Remember, that was Ike Eisenhower''s baby, born out of his attempts in the 1920s to travel coast-tocoast in a military convoy.

Investment in defense doesn't always mean fighters, bombers and other weapons systems.

There is the possibility that the next war might be fought without ever firing a shot. Our electric and communications infrastructure is such that hacking could be the main weapon of the next war. Are we doing enough to protect that network from enemies and natural disasters?

But the generals usually fight using technology of the last war. Meaning that we're probably not doing enough to protect against the real threats. And that doesn't include the threat posed from solar radiation.

We have enough jet fighters and bombers-even our 70's vintage aircraft is superior to most of what Russia and China has. A huge land army will probably not be needed should we go to war with China or Russia.

Besides, the concept of what war is has changed so much since WWII. Big land and naval battles are a thing of the past. the Cold War paradigm of low-intensity proxy conflicts may even be dated.

I'm not sure what they're doing in the DOD but they are constantly investigating what types of conflict the future might hold. I'm sure they have a better handle than you or me on what may be the future of warfare.

Calling me an ignorant fool isn't a response-it's an insult. Try stating why you think I'm wrong in some detail rather than insulting me. Saying that Putin has evil intent isn't enough. He may be trying to rebuilt his military, but he's finding the money to do so scare. Right now, Putin has his hands full trying to keep his southern fleet in Ukrainian waters.

I could easily throw a few insults your way but I'd rather discuss things civilly. But, as I've shown in my responses to those who refuse to do so, I can go dirty for dirty. It's your choice.



SchoonerPete wrote:
You're an ignorant fool! What do you think Putin has been doing? He's rebuilding their military. What is going to happen, if we continue the downward path we're taking, is that Russia will control the Atlantic and China will control the Pacific. Russia has problems with it's Navy, but it has been quietly rebuilding it.

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Mar 1, 2014 10:39:55   #
vernon
 
Kevyn wrote:
While most of the persons who serve and have served in our military do so with courage grace and honor there have always been exceptions. A number of atrocities were committed by Americans in WW2, the Mai Lai massacre and rampant drug abuse during Vietnam, soldiers pissing on an enemy corpses and murdering civilians in Afghanistan and terrible mistreatment of Civil War prisoners. Any large group of people will have some deviants it is not a sign of the times it is a sad product of the darker side of human nature.
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just what is so wrong about the things you mention.its time when we put our guys into a war it should be a total war.this thing we do now is nothing but a way toget our kids killed and not accomplish anything

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Mar 1, 2014 10:45:48   #
Hungry Freaks
 
ginnyt wrote:
Vietnam, official start 1965, President..... Democrat

Iraq, unofficial start, 1980, President ..... Democrat

Afghanistan, 2001, President.... Democrat


combat troops were indeed first sent to Vietnam during the presidency of a Democrat.

But Iraq and Afghanistan? Up until the late 1980s, we were tacit allies with Iraq, supporting them as a counterweight to Iran. President George HW Bush was the first to start hostilities with Iraq.

And George W Bush was the first to commit combat troops to Afghanistan. There was s surge in recent years under a Democrat, but the war started with a Republican.

but political party has little difference when it comes to foreign military misadventures. Both parties believe in an interventionalist foreign policy in which we reserve the rights to invade any country at will. It is a wasteful, expensive policy that has backfired on us time and time again.

Did Southeast Asia fall to communism like dominos as Republicans and Democrats alike claimed?

Did our intervention in Iraq bring stability to that country or the region?

Afghanistan has ben invaded by Russia twice and England three times (or is it Russia three times and England twice?) Is there any chance our fighting there will result in any orderly, peaceful society for the Afghan people?

Ron Paul's foreign policy is more to my liking.

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Mar 1, 2014 10:56:40   #
vernon
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
combat troops were indeed first sent to Vietnam during the presidency of a Democrat.

But Iraq and Afghanistan? Up until the late 1980s, we were tacit allies with Iraq, supporting them as a counterweight to Iran. President George HW Bush was the first to start hostilities with Iraq.

And George W Bush was the first to commit combat troops to Afghanistan. There was s surge in recent years under a Democrat, but the war started with a Republican.

but political party has little difference when it comes to foreign military misadventures. Both parties believe in an interventionalist foreign policy in which we reserve the rights to invade any country at will. It is a wasteful, expensive policy that has backfired on us time and time again.

Did Southeast Asia fall to communism like dominos as Republicans and Democrats alike claimed?

Did our intervention in Iraq bring stability to that country or the region?

Afghanistan has ben invaded by Russia twice and England three times (or is it Russia three times and England twice?) Is there any chance our fighting there will result in any orderly, peaceful society for the Afghan people?

Ron Paul's foreign policy is more to my liking.
combat troops were indeed first sent to Vietnam du... (show quote)


just what caused the war in afghanistan?it would have been because they killed 3000 in the twin towers.just what would you have done?
as far as iraq they had stability until obama cut and run.

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Mar 1, 2014 11:34:12   #
Hungry Freaks
 
The Status of Forces agreement setting the timetable for withdraw from Iraq was signed in 2008 by George W. Bush. The ceremony of the signing was memorable because an Iraqi journalist threw a shoe at Bush. Perhaps you remember. Bush remarked "a size 10" (what do you say when someone throws a shoe at you?)

Obama only carried out the Status of Forces Agreement signed by his predecessor. He could have ignored the agreement, but the Iraqi government demanded that US troops be subject to Iraqi courts, something neither Bush nor Obama would have, or could have, allowed.

Afghanistan did harbor OBL. There, instead of Iraq, is where we should have sent our troops in 2001 to rid the country of the Taliban. Instead, we shorted the troop levels in Afghanistan until the surge of 2009-10.

But that still doesn't mean ridding Afghanistan of the Taliban will make it a stable country. Our military misadventures usually result in more, not less, problems for any particular region.


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just what caused the war in afghanistan?it would have been because they killed 3000 in the twin towers.just what would you have done?
as far as iraq they had stability until obama cut and run.

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Mar 1, 2014 11:39:15   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Yes I did post regarding biblical scriputres about homosexuality; with chapter and verse. Tolerance does not change the laws that was given to us. I have no hatred for these people, but I do not.....let me repeat, I do not condone nor would I be supportive of that life style. Having said that, I do have gay people in my circle of friends. They are welcome in my home for they are intelligent and we have other things in common. Several have spent the night in my guest rooms. I would not have them escorted into the same bedroom or bed because that would be supporting a life choice that is contradictory to my religion and personal standards. They are aware of this, and they have respect for my feeling and my home. They know, if they should decide to have a formal "union" ceremony, I would not attend nor purchase "wedding" gifts. If you consider this intolerant, then it is something that you will need to deal with.

Tolerance is wonderful, but I have found that many people that say they are, well they are intolerant to people who do not or can not alter their standards or belief system to the more politically correct definition of the word. Respect and tolerance is a two way street. Liberals seem to have a problem with this concept. They often will champion a cause because they think they will more easily fit in with others; gain friends. But, then one must ask themselves, if an action were offensive to your mother/father/grandfather.....pick a relative that you respect, and you performed said action in their home with all your friends around....are you being disrespectful to your relative? Then how could you possibly support an activity that is offensive to your creator, your Father, your God? Perhaps you do not believe in God, then to you any action would have to be weighed by your standards alone. Again, this is something that each person must figure out for themselves.

Now to address your objection to the word "faggot." Words are hurtful at times, they can bring great joy, make one feel comforted in times of sorrow, and can be a knife that cuts to the bone. But, one must examine the reason they find the term or word offensive. Of course you have a right to be offended by abrasive terms. And you have an obligation to let the person who used the term know, else you suffer without need. Once you speak to the person, and they continue to use the term, then you need to decide if you wish to continue to subject yourself to such conversations. You would then need to understand that not everyone will change or conform to your standards. If it is indeed too offensive for you to tolerate, then walk away from the person. And when on line, you can make the choice of fighting an unending battle to correct another, or simply ignore their comments or simply move to a different thread. This in no way says you are weak or that you condone or endorse the opinion or words of another, it does send the message that a behavior, a term, or association is unacceptable to you. Truly, most people on this forum (again, notice the word MOST) are not your friend, they are here to express their opinions, perhaps educate, and at minimum for self gratification to ease their loneliness. So it boils down to you making the best decision for yourself that does not offend your sensibilities.

Searching wrote:
This is to both you and ginnyt. I have to leave shortly, but needed to answer this. Sorry for my curtness, Dutch, and yes, we have had some great conversations about llamas. However, the use of the word "faggots" and telling them to crawl back into their septic tank just hit me as if I had ice cold water thrown in my face. I understand that you don't like homosexuals, but I just found the way you articulated your dislike offensive, accomplishing nothing -- just like my condescension. "Somewhere" ginnyt posted with regard to homosexuals, citing biblical references. I did not respond to that post, because while I do not agree with her on homosexuality, ginnyt responded in a manner that parallels her religious beliefs. No disrespect meant to you, but the starkness of difference in how you two approach homosexuality could not be more pronounced. I guess you could say I have an intolerance towards intolerance, which sometimes I should just keep to myself. Have a great day.
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Mar 1, 2014 11:41:23   #
The Dutchman
 
Searching wrote:
This is to both you and ginnyt. I have to leave shortly, but needed to answer this. Sorry for my curtness, Dutch, and yes, we have had some great conversations about llamas. However, the use of the word "faggots" and telling them to crawl back into their septic tank just hit me as if I had ice cold water thrown in my face. I understand that you don't like homosexuals, but I just found the way you articulated your dislike offensive, accomplishing nothing -- just like my condescension. "Somewhere" ginnyt posted with regard to homosexuals, citing biblical references. I did not respond to that post, because while I do not agree with her on homosexuality, ginnyt responded in a manner that parallels her religious beliefs. No disrespect meant to you, but the starkness of difference in how you two approach homosexuality could not be more pronounced. I guess you could say I have an intolerance towards intolerance, which sometimes I should just keep to myself. Have a great day.
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Searching, I have never gone off on the queers in here till they go off on their filthy rants airing there morbid, immoral lifestyle directing it in my direction. I really wish they were all incarcerate in some mental institution far away from the public.
I lost a grand daughter at 3 years of age due to an aids infection she contracted from a blood transfusion during a surgery. I hold all these aids transmitting parasites and the sick perverts that support them personally responsible.
This used to be a good political forum but it has turned into place for the queers to air their insanity. They always try to turn any topic they can't understand or dispute into one of their filthy immoral rants.
This 1PP is advertised on the internet as a political forum but the queers in here don't understand it.....
I sincerely hope that all of them and those that support this filthy crap die of some aids related cause...

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Mar 1, 2014 11:45:30   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I am so sorry for your loss. At 3 years of age, with hopes and expectations that will never be realized. How very heartbreaking for you! I can not being to imagine the pain you must feel from that loss.

The Dutchman wrote:
Searching, I have never gone off on the queers in here till they go off on their filthy rants airing there morbid, immoral lifestyle directing it in my direction. I really wish they were all incarcerate in some mental institution far away from the public.
I lost a grand daughter at 3 years of age due to an aids infection she contracted from a blood transfusion during a surgery. I hold all these aids transmitting parasites and the sick perverts that support them personally responsible.
This used to be a good political forum but it has turned into place for the queers to air their insanity. They always try to turn any topic they can't understand or dispute into one of their filthy immoral rants.
This 1PP is advertised on the internet as a political forum but the queers in here don't understand it.....
I sincerely hope that all of them and those that support this filthy crap die of some aids related cause...
Searching, I have never gone off on the queers in ... (show quote)

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Mar 1, 2014 11:52:39   #
The Dutchman
 
Joseph7 wrote:
I do not like the current gpvernment.They have laid the heads of the working poor on the chop blocks for the insurance companies and the IRS.


Welcome aboard Joseph, It's great to hear from someone not brain washed by the obozo's crap. He's nothing but a mouth piece for his puppet masters that want nothing more than to turn this country into a socialistic form of crumbling deterioration.
The obozo and his handlers can't stand the fact that in America there are people with the ability to fend for themselves.......



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Mar 1, 2014 11:57:05   #
The Dutchman
 
vernon wrote:
just what caused the war in afghanistan? it would have been because they killed 3000 in the twin towers. just what would you have done?
as far as iraq they had stability until obama cut and run.


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And as did the clintoon!!

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Mar 1, 2014 12:22:52   #
vernon
 
ginnyt wrote:
Yes I did post regarding biblical scriputres about homosexuality; with chapter and verse. Tolerance does not ualityualitybecause that would be supporting a life choice that is contradictory to my religion and personal standards. They are aware of this, and they have respect for my feeling and my home. They know, if they should decide to have a formal "union" ceremony, I would not attend nor purchase "wedding" gifts. If you consider this intolerant, then it is something that you will need to deal with.

Tolerance is wonderful, but I have found that many people that say they are, well they are intolerant to people who do not or can not alter their standards or belief system to the more politically correct definition of the word. Respect and tolerance is a two way street. Liberals seem to have a problem with this concept. They often will champion a cause because they think they will more easily fit in with others; gain friends. But, then one must ask themselves, if an action were offensive to your mother/father/grandfather.....pick a relative that you respect, and you performed said action in their home with all your friends around....are you being disrespectful to your relative? Then how could you possibly support an activity that is offensive to your creator, your Father, your God? Perhaps you do not believe in God, then to you any action would have to be weighed by your standards alone. Again, this is something that each person must figure out for themselves.

Now to address your objection to the word "faggot." Words are hurtful at times, they can bring great joy, make one feel comforted in times of sorrow, and can be a knife that cuts to the bone. But, one must examine the reason they find the term or word offensive. Of course you have a right to be offended by abrasive terms. And you have an obligation to let the person who used the term know, else you suffer without need. Once you speak to the person, and they continue to use the term, then you need to decide if you wish to continue to subject yourself to such conversations. You would then need to understand that not everyone will change or conform to your standards. If it is indeed too offensive for you to tolerate, then walk away from the person. And when on line, you can make the choice of fighting an unending battle to correct another, or simply ignore their comments or simply move to a different thread. This in no way says you are weak or that you condone or endorse the opinion or words of another, it does send the message that a behavior, a term, or association is unacceptable to you. Truly, most people on this forum (again, notice the word MOST) are not your friend, they are here to express their opinions, perhaps educate, and at minimum for self gratification to ease their loneliness. So it boils down to you making the best decision for yourself that does not offend your sensibilities.
Yes I did post regarding biblical scriputres about... (show quote)


remember aids cures homosexuality

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