AR 15 knock offs (Page 5): It says nothing about what the other 99.2% were killed by. Could have been a knife, sledge hammer, ice pick, any number of possible deadly weapons. Might...

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Blade_Runner wrote:

What that little statistic means is that 99.2% of homicide victims, including victims of mass shootings, were killed with a handgun.

It says nothing about what the other 99.2% were killed by. Could have been a knife, sledge hammer, ice pick, any number of possible deadly weapons. Might have even included the odd frying pan or rolling pin. I would imagine a handgun figures prominently on the list, but there's no breakdown. Statistics. Aren't they wonderful?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

permafrost wrote:

So now we should simply forget about the several hundred victims of the AR-15 because a great many more were killed by hand guns??

OH that works well...

Blade, Please think that over just a bit more..

What several hundred victims of the AR-15? Where did that come from?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

byronglimish wrote:

The onlyest thing that should be brought up is...t... (show quote)

You seem very confused..

the only thing I have heard about reopening the Hillary investigation is that the agent who exchanged emails with his sweety about what a slug trump is. Which got him kicked of the trump investigation commetty,
is also the agent who urged the reopening of Hillary emails, when some emails were found on another computer.. Those had nothing new and were only basic office business..

You have any other information?

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Larry the Legend wrote:

What several hundred victims of the AR-15? Where did that come from?

Add these up.....

There are some more also but not going to chase them down.. the point is made..

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

permafrost wrote:

commetty

Ooopsies!

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

permafrost wrote:

Add these up.....

There are some more also but not going to chase them down.. the point is made..

Nice try.

Actual weapons used in those tragedies:

Aurora - M&P15
Orlando - Sig Sauer MCX
Las Vegas - 23 weapons and accessories, none were AR-15
Sandy hook - Bushmaster .223
Texas church - Ruger AR-556
San Bernadino - AR-15
Parkland - AR-15 Variant (not AR-15)

Congratulations, you got one right. I'll round that off to 14.3%. Even allowing for the Ruger and the Variant, you still don't top 50%.

So tell me again about all those hundreds of casualties caused by the AR-15.

Happishark

Larry the Legend wrote:

I'll do better than that. I'll give you a whole l... (show quote)

Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

Impressive list. Some I know about, but it will take some time for me to bring myself up to speed on most of them. A couple of things strike me at first glance, though. Many of the countries you name are among the poorest, most devastated, most dangerous places in the world, and so it's hard for me to imagine that the lives of their inhabitants have been much improved by the violence there--especially the conflicts that are ongoing... And the Candlelight Revolution wasn't an armed protest.

You've certainly given me a lot to think about.

vettelover Loc: Richmond Va

saltwind 78 wrote:

Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)

No, you do not understand the 2nd Amendment at all after reading that. The weapon has nothing to do with what is happening. Banning the rifle will do nothing!

Loki Loc: Georgia

saltwind 78 wrote:

lamont, people use guns to kill people. The AR15 is the weapon of choice to kill as many people as possible and as quickly as possible. It is overwhelmingly used by the murdering maniacs in schools and lets not forget that music festival. Getting rid of it will save the lives of children.

Once more; exactly how do propose to "get rid of" the 5 million plus that are legally owned by people who have never committed a crime with them? In your rush to redefine the Second Amendment, you will trample all over the Fourth Fifth, Eighth, Ninth and Tenth also. Screw the Bill of Rights. It's just some crap a bunch of white guys thought up more than 200 years ago.
Mass shootings or not, more people are killed every year by knives than with all rifles and shotguns, not just those scary looking ones. Let's ban knives also. You cannot seem to realize that these rifles are not the only game in town. Just the most convenient. Ban them and maniacs will just use something else. All you will accomplish is penalizing honest people and you will not do one damn thing about nut jobs obtaining weapons. How the hell do you propose to get rid of more than 5 million rifles when the owners are not going to comply? Did you not read about the miserable failure of the "assault weapons ban" attempt in Connecticut? This is in a state with a small number of gun owners. If you can't make it work there, how do you propose to do so somewhere like Georgia or Texas or Michigan or Arkansas?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Loki wrote:

Once more; exactly how do propose to "get rid... (show quote)

Remember this?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

permafrost wrote:

So now we should simply forget about the several hundred victims of the AR-15 because a great many more were killed by hand guns??

OH that works well...

Blade, Please think that over just a bit more..

What makes you think that I am forgetting the victims of mass shootings? It breaks my heart every time something like this happens.

My point is to put you leftists' emotional overreaction to these sorts of crimes in perspective. Not only do you make the gun the culprit, you single out one type of firearm as if it is the greatest killing machine in history, and yet you expect any reasonable person to take you seriously? So far this February, 62 people have been shot in Chicago, 16 killed, all by perps with handguns. Doesn't matter what kind of gun it is, what it looks like, what color it is, whether it is long or short, how many bullets it shoots, the gun is not the problem. My guns, including my AR15, are perfectly harmless until I pick one up and tell it to do something.

I simply cannot abide the irrational idea that banning one type of firearm is going to curtail any sort of violent crime. Eliminate the AR15 and another type of firearm will take its place. These kinds of tragedies will go on until the real problems, the causes, not the effects, the diseases, not the symptoms, are dealt with. And that is going to require a hell of lot more extremely difficult effort than just passing a string of useless laws through congress. Putting bandaids on headaches doesn't work.

teabag09

AMEN but discipline needs to be included. Both at home and at school. Unfortunely for most the home is lost. When kids can call and say I'm being abuse and the parents go to jail, what're you going to do.

I told mine right off, make the call, you'll regret it. Of course we stayed in her stuff, brownies, GS, softball, volleyball, fishing, hunting, shit, the kid didn't have a chance but to be good and the fact that she was born that way helped a lot. Plus I loved her so much. My wife got to grabbing me by the hair in the middle of the night cause I couldn't hear her breathing and put my ear to her mouth. Duh, I'm deft, too many chainsaws, skilsaws, hi-powered drills and gunshots with out hearing protection. She (Mom) got tired of me waking her up that Cori's not breathing.

She now includes us in her activities, hunting in the Virginia Piedmont with her husband and our grands. Life is good and what goes around comes back at ya, in SPADES. Mike

bahmer wrote:

Maybe it is about time that the public schools start letting God back into the classroom as well as some good old patriotism. Start with a school prayer over the P.A. and then follow up with the pledge of allegiance and the singing of the national anthem. Schools refusing to follow this will loose all federal subsidies no if ands or buts about it.

teabag09

Salty, how are you going to suggest that AR's are gotten rid of? The production and sale could be stopped right now and you'd still have over 2 or more million out there. There's no way to confiscate them.

It isn't the gun, I can take a shotgun with an 18" barrel with no. 1 buck (24/1/4" pellets) and kill a WHOLE classroom of people with probably 3 or 4 shots.

You are right, the AR-15 or 10 are devastating weapons when used for evil but a pump or semi-auto shotgun would be twice as devastating.

Again, it's not the gun it's the way our culture has been changed and you, for one, have gone along with the change without doing any real input into your thought process. Again it's not the GUN but the system. This latest shooter was referred to the FBI and Sheriffs department 39 time as being unstable. No follow up. We've taken respect for authority whether it's parents, teachers, law enforcement, pastoral or one on one out of the equation. That, Sir is the problem, NOT THE GUN. It is merely an instrument. It is what stands behind the INSTRUMENT that is the problem.

The sooner you leftist idiots get that in your head and quit fighting us who are trying to get our Country back on kilter the quicker you will see this crap stop happening. Mike

saltwind 78 wrote:

lamont, people use guns to kill people. The AR15 is the weapon of choice to kill as many people as possible and as quickly as possible. It is overwhelmingly used by the murdering maniacs in schools and lets not forget that music festival. Getting rid of it will save the lives of children.

teabag09

No, we want you and your like out of our Country, please leave and let us go with Constitutional ethic and law. I don't really care what your credentials are, by your statements and words, please leave this land as you un-American. I'll pay for the ticket. Mike

saltwind 78 wrote:

banner, School prayer is unconstitutional. Its also a terrible idea. I don't know about you, but I don't want my kids saying a prayer of another religion.I thought you conservatives want the government out of the peoples lives. Let the parents take care of religion. Let the schools teach the 3 rs.

teabag09

I totally disagree, my Daughters Principle took it upon himself, in the 80's, to arm his high school with Asst. Principles including himself. All went or had gone through extreme training. Also stops at all doors and check ins. Mike

permafrost wrote:

The old Clinton law would come close, but that was... (show quote)