AR 15 knock offs: Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As usual, the k**ler used an AR15 knock off. It a copy of the militaries semi automatic assault rifle. The rifle can...

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As usual, the k**ler used an AR15 knock off. It a copy of the militaries semi automatic assault rifle. The rifle can hold a magazine of thirty rounds. Each bullet is deadly. It has a high velocity, and when it hits a target, the rounds tumble to make a huge hole in the body. I say it's high time we get outlaw it's sale to civilians. It's not a hunting weapon and isn't necessary for defense of a home. It was developed to k**l as many people as possible.
I am a gun owner and have a concealed weapons permit. I am am a believer in the second amendment, but this instrument of murder has caused far to many deaths of innocents, many in schools. How many more children must die before we take this terrible weapon off the market?

lamont

saltwind 78 wrote:

Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)

When was the last time you saw "a gun" k**l someone? You haven't, it's the i***t behind the gun. How are you going to legislate that?

EL Loc: Massachusetts

lamont wrote:

When was the last time you saw "a gun" k**l someone? You haven't, it's the i***t behind the gun. How are you going to legislate that?

We have to figure out how to weed out the i***ts. Hard to do!
Teachers have to be trained and armed. (But, there might be an i***t teacher, too)
Better ideas?

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

"Each bullet is deadly"...Yes they are, you didn't Know?

Better security at school is the immediate answer..

pafret Loc: Northeast

saltwind 78 wrote:

Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)

As a believer in the 2nd amendment you must understand that the purpose of possessing weaponry is not for hunting, target shooting or any sport issue. Its purpose is to oppose and o*******w the government, when it becomes necessary, to preserve our God given rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The second amendment states: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". The m*****a was defined in two subsequent laws as all able bodied men between the ages of eighteen and fifty-five and required them to obtain and maintain the latest and best existing weaponry so as to be able to defend their states, counties and homes. It was initially designed as defense against foreign invaders but in recent history, the invasion is more likely to be from the Federal government infringing on our rights.

Since this is the purpose of this Amendment of the Constitution it then follows that the citizenry must have weapons of similar capability to those used by the government. You cannot oppose semi or full automatic weapons with muzzle loaders and blunderbusses. Any arguments about suitability of various weapons fails before the intended purpose of the Second Amendment.

Once again the argument is against the tool used and there is no inquiry as to why this individual went berserk and committed such a heinous act. He could just as easily have constructed a bomb with readily available household items and information from the internet. Would you then call for a ban on Drano, Phosph**e fertilizers and blasting caps? I have seen no inquiry as to who owned the gun used and why it was available for a mentally unstable, anti-social, individual to use.

From the information coming out, this individual was identified by his classmates as being likely to commit such an act. He had a history of mental instability and anti-social behavior and the only action taken was throwing him out of school. Expulsion solved the school's problem temporarily, but it left a young man with mental problems, suffering from loss of his mother to fester and plot revenge. There is also a suggestion that psychotropic drugs may have been involved and the allegation has been made that they are a factor in every one of the other mass murders.

In chronic cases of malbehavior such as this individual's, something more than school discipline is needed. On the face of it this was an individual who exhibited mental instability over a long time frame and little to nothing was done to protect his classmates, the public, or the shooter himself. At the very least his access to weapons of all sorts should have been investigated.

bahmer

pafret wrote:

As a believer in the 2nd amendment you must understand that the purpose of possessing weaponry is not for hunting, target shooting or any sport issue. Its purpose is to oppose and o*******w the government, when it becomes necessary, to preserve our God given rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The second amendment states: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". The m*****a was defined in two subsequent laws as all able bodied men between the ages of eighteen and fifty-five and required them to obtain and maintain the latest and best existing weaponry so as to be able to defend their states, counties and homes. It was initially designed as defense against foreign invaders but in recent history, the invasion is more likely to be from the Federal government infringing on our rights.

Since this is the purpose of this Amendment of the Constitution it then follows that the citizenry must have weapons of similar capability to those used by the government. You cannot oppose semi or full automatic weapons with muzzle loaders and blunderbusses. Any arguments about suitability of various weapons fails before the intended purpose of the Second Amendment.

Once again the argument is against the tool used and there is no inquiry as to why this individual went berserk and committed such a heinous act. He could just as easily have constructed a bomb with readily available household items and information from the internet. Would you then call for a ban on Drano, Phosph**e fertilizers and blasting caps? I have seen no inquiry as to who owned the gun used and why it was available for a mentally unstable, anti-social, individual to use.

From the information coming out, this individual was identified by his classmates as being likely to commit such an act. He had a history of mental instability and anti-social behavior and the only action taken was throwing him out of school. Expulsion solved the school's problem temporarily, but it left a young man with mental problems, suffering from loss of his mother to fester and plot revenge. There is also a suggestion that psychotropic drugs may have been involved and the allegation has been made that they are a factor in every one of the other mass murders.

In chronic cases of malbehavior such as this individual's, something more than school discipline is needed. On the face of it this was an individual who exhibited mental instability over a long time frame and little to nothing was done to protect his classmates, the public, or the shooter himself. At the very least his access to weapons of all sorts should have been investigated.

As a believer in the 2nd amendment you must unders... (show quote)

Maybe it is about time that the public schools start letting God back into the classroom as well as some good old patriotism. Start with a school prayer over the P.A. and then follow up with the pledge of allegiance and the singing of the national anthem. Schools refusing to follow this will loose all federal subsidies no if ands or buts about it.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

saltwind 78 wrote:

Another school shooting as everybody has heard. As... (show quote)

Look up the Ruger Mini-14. Same gun. It just LOOKS different.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The FBI was warned about this weirdo..and failed to follow thru..

EL Loc: Massachusetts

bahmer wrote:

Maybe it is about time that the public schools start letting God back into the classroom as well as some good old patriotism. Start with a school prayer over the P.A. and then follow up with the pledge of allegiance and the singing of the national anthem. Schools refusing to follow this will loose all federal subsidies no if ands or buts about it.

Great idea!!!

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

lamont, people use guns to k**l people. The AR15 is the weapon of choice to k**l as many people as possible and as quickly as possible. It is overwhelmingly used by the murdering maniacs in schools and lets not forget that music festival. Getting rid of it will save the lives of children.

lamont wrote:

When was the last time you saw "a gun" k**l someone? You haven't, it's the i***t behind the gun. How are you going to legislate that?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

El, Terrible idea. Kids can't learn if they don't feel safe. Having armed teachers is not the answer. Getting rid of the AR15 is one answer. Metal detectors is another. Maniacs can buy AR15s legacy, thanks to the Republicans that passed the law that lets criminals on the terrorist watch list buy as many of them as they like, LEGALLY. Lots of Republicans in congress say they want to do away with this law. Hooray for them. This shouldn't be another liberal/conservative debate. It is the best way to save the lives of kids. This young man Cruiz bought the assault rifle legally, and the people he lived with never saw this mass murder coming!

EL wrote:

We have to figure out how to weed out the i***ts. Hard to do!
Teachers have to be trained and armed. (But, there might be an i***t teacher, too)
Better ideas?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

parrot, Tell this to the parents of the children that are murdered by some crazy and/or terrorist the next time it happens, and it will happen again. You can bet your bipi on that!

pafret wrote:

As a believer in the 2nd amendment you must understand that the purpose of possessing weaponry is not for hunting, target shooting or any sport issue. Its purpose is to oppose and o*******w the government, when it becomes necessary, to preserve our God given rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. The second amendment states: "A well regulated M*****a, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". The m*****a was defined in two subsequent laws as all able bodied men between the ages of eighteen and fifty-five and required them to obtain and maintain the latest and best existing weaponry so as to be able to defend their states, counties and homes. It was initially designed as defense against foreign invaders but in recent history, the invasion is more likely to be from the Federal government infringing on our rights.

Since this is the purpose of this Amendment of the Constitution it then follows that the citizenry must have weapons of similar capability to those used by the government. You cannot oppose semi or full automatic weapons with muzzle loaders and blunderbusses. Any arguments about suitability of various weapons fails before the intended purpose of the Second Amendment.

Once again the argument is against the tool used and there is no inquiry as to why this individual went berserk and committed such a heinous act. He could just as easily have constructed a bomb with readily available household items and information from the internet. Would you then call for a ban on Drano, Phosph**e fertilizers and blasting caps? I have seen no inquiry as to who owned the gun used and why it was available for a mentally unstable, anti-social, individual to use.

From the information coming out, this individual was identified by his classmates as being likely to commit such an act. He had a history of mental instability and anti-social behavior and the only action taken was throwing him out of school. Expulsion solved the school's problem temporarily, but it left a young man with mental problems, suffering from loss of his mother to fester and plot revenge. There is also a suggestion that psychotropic drugs may have been involved and the allegation has been made that they are a factor in every one of the other mass murders.

In chronic cases of malbehavior such as this individual's, something more than school discipline is needed. On the face of it this was an individual who exhibited mental instability over a long time frame and little to nothing was done to protect his classmates, the public, or the shooter himself. At the very least his access to weapons of all sorts should have been investigated.

As a believer in the 2nd amendment you must unders... (show quote)

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The k**ler kid had known mental problems...
The k**ler kid posted his intention on YouTube
The k**ler kid said he would commit a mass shooting at a school..
The k**ler kid was reported to the FBI..
The k**ler kid was not even interviewed by the FBI...
The k**ler kid carried out his proclaimed intention...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

////If you think banning AR15's would have prevented these shootings you're dumber than I thought and that's going some. Go ahead whiner,
name the gun law you would pass that would have stopped these k*****gs. Until you can do that STFU!

saltwind 78 wrote:

lamont, people use guns to k**l people. The AR15 is the weapon of choice to k**l as many people as possible and as quickly as possible. It is overwhelmingly used by the murdering maniacs in schools and lets not forget that music festival. Getting rid of it will save the lives of children.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

saltwind 78 wrote:

El, Terrible idea. Kids can't learn if they don't ... (show quote)

Maniacs can also buy many other guns that work the same, shoot the same cartridge, and carry the same capacity.
They just LOOK different.
Is my old Ruger Ranch Mini 14 any less lethal, even though it LOOKS like a hunting rifle? I don't have any 30 round mags for it, but I can get em. Most I have is 10, and I can swap them in about 2 seconds.
It's not the gun. Get that through your thick skull!!