Happishark

It's not 1776 or 1789 or 1917. Please show me one single modern example of an armed internal uprising that has put an end to injustice or righted a wrong or accomplished any kind of good. Arguably, things might have been different in the past, but these days civil violence unfailingly brings about the slaughter of innocents on all sides, destroys the social order, reduces infrastructure to rubble, lays waste to natural resources, decimates the local economy, terrorizes the populace, causes widespread hunger and disease, and in general gives rise to untold pain and suffering.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

EL, Trust me as a former teacher, that dog won't hunt. Teachers are for the most part anti gun. They would never take a gun into school for lots of reasons, but two are, they wouldn't want some kid to get his hands on his gun, and two, If children don't feel safe, they can't learn. Guns belong on a range, by a night table, or protecting ones self in a dangerous place, not a school!

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You're half right. Liberal teachers shouldn't have a gun. That whole pissing their panties thing would stink.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

I'll do better than that. I'll give you a whole long (very long) list of them:

2010 Thai political protests
2010–2011: 2010–2011 Ivorian crisis
2010–2012: Tajikistan insurgency
2010: Kyrgyz Revolution of 2010
2010: Kashmir Unrest 2010
2010–2012: Arab Spring:
The Tunisian revolution (2010–2011) forces President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali to resign and flee the country, and sets free e******ns.
The 2011 Egyptian revolution brings down the regime of President Hosni Mubarak.
The 2011 Libyan Civil War in which rebel forces gradually take control of the country, and k**l leader Muammar Gaddafi.
2011 Post-civil war violence in Libya
Syrian civil war
Bahraini uprising of 2011
2011 Yemeni revolution the revolt that lead to the eventual resignation of Ali Abdullah Saleh as President of Yemen.
2011–present: Sinai insurgency
2011–present: Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile
2011–present: Syrian Civil War spillover in Lebanon
2011–present: Ethnic violence in South Sudan (2011–present)
2011–2014: Iraqi insurgency (2011–14)
2011–12 Maldives political crisis: Public protests and police mutiny lead to resignation of President Mohammed Nasheed
2012–present: Rojava Revolution in Syrian Kurdistan.
2012–2015: Northern Mali conflict
2012–present: 2012 Tuareg r*******n
2012–present: Central African Republic conflict–François Bozizé, president of the Central African Republic, is o*******wn by the rebel coalition Seleka, led by Michel Djotodia.
2012–2013: M23 r*******n
2012–15 unrest in Romania
June 2013 Egyptian protests, which led to Mohamed Morsi being removed in what he and his organization called a "c**p d'état"
2013 Eritrean Army mutiny
2013–present: Turkey–ISIL conflict
2013–present: RENAMO insurgency (2013–present)
Insurgency in Egypt (2013–present)
2013 South Sudanese political crisis
2013–2015: South Sudanese Civil War
2013–14 Tunisian protests against the Ennahda-led government.
2013–2014: Euromaidan
2014 Ukrainian Revolution
2013–14 Thai political crisis
2014: Hong Kong Umbrella Revolution
2014–present: 2014 Protests in Venezuela
War in Donbass
Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation
2014–present: Iraqi Civil War (2014–present)
2014–present: Libyan Civil War (2014–present)
Abkhazian Revolution
2014 Burkinabé uprising
2014: Bundy standoff
2015–present: Yemeni Civil War (2015–present)
2015–present: 2015 Burundian unrest
2015–present: 2015 PKK r*******n
2015–present: ISIL insurgency in Tunisia
2015–16 protests in Brazil
2016–present: 2016 Niger Delta conflict
2016–present: 2016 Kashmir unrest
2016 Ethiopian protests
2016 Turkish c**p d'état attempt, A failed military c**p, Decisive Recep Tayyip Erdoğan regime victory.
2016–17 South Korean protests, or Candlelight Revolution, in South Korea
2017 Catalonia quantique independence
2017 Zimbabwean c**p d'état

And that's just the last eight years. Need more?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Seems to me a school is a somewhat dangerous place right now. Is it not? If not, why are kids dying?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I've heard it said that a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Not sure what that means exactly, but I'm going try to help you so you don't completely waste yours. Hoplophobia is truly a reprehensible mental disorder, so this attempt might prove futile.

Anyway, first of all, an AR15, or any firearm, IS NOT A TOY. We most assuredly do not play with guns. Secondly, no one is more concerned about the lives of innocents, especially children, than those of us who are bonafide, experienced, and law abiding gun owners. It appalls me to hear such accusations from someone whose knowledge of and experience with firearms is virtually non-existent. The fact that you might have a gun under your pillow is disconcerting. I hope you don't hurt yourself.

Question is, if you do have a gun for self-defense, are you mentally, emotionally and physically equipped to use it? Are you fully prepared to k**l a human being if your life is threatened. You might be surprised at the number of people who thought they were prepared to do so have failed. Unless you are a psychopath, the response to a life threatening attack is an emotional and mental trauma that is difficult to control. Just owning a gun isn't enough. As Colonel Jeff Cooper once said, "Owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician."

Since your reaction to this tragedy is entirely an emotional one, irrational and without a realistic perspective, I realize it will make no difference to you that the semi-auto AR15 IS NOT an assault rifle. It will make no difference to you that the semi-auto firearm is the most popular firearm ON EARTH, with the AK47 at the top of the list. It will make no difference to you that the use of a handgun as a murder weapon far exceeds the use of a rifle of any kind. It will make no difference to you that just this year--2018--267 people in Chicago were shot, 52 of them k**led, and none of these shootings were committed with a rifle. Two of these incidents were mass shootings (4 or more people shot). It will make no difference to you that Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws of any city in the nation.

It will make no difference to you that less than 1% of homicide victims over the last 3 decades, including victims of mass shootings, were k**led with a rifle of any kind.

I know a hell of a lot of people, men and women, who own and shoot all kinds of guns. They compete, they plink, they shoot targets, they hunt, they shoot skeet, and they train in self-defense, and the interesting thing is that regardless of their shooting preferences, all but a few of them own an AR15. Why? The AR15 is a classy firearm, it is reliable, accurate, and remarkably easy to operate and maintain, and it is fun to shoot. It is a kick to knock the cap off a water bottle at 100 yards.

Anyway, I know where you are coming from and I thank God that I am not so ignorant about firearms and the facts about gun crime in America or anywhere else in the world.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

blade..

It will make no difference to you that less than 1% of homicide victims over the last 3 decades, including victims of mass shootings, were k**led with a rifle of any kind.


That little statistic can only be made to work when you exclude all hand gun k*****gs>>>

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

You know, we all now know how easy it is to "By a Russian Dossier" now, it's just who could cover the cost??huh perm?

Someone with almost unlimited Political Cash...and then half the nation so duped...that they swear it's the bonified t***h..

This Political person, if they get caught, well hell all they have to do...is fall back on the same old routine... destroy computers,phones , murder people..."let's not ever forget: Seth Rich.....and you know something else...if this procurement of the Dossier by Hillarygate is not cause for concern, along with outright c***ting Bernie Sanders in Florida,.. Let's just throw in Donna Brazile's book on how the DNC was commandeered 'totally by Hillarygate'..She ran the DNC like John Gatti ran his mafia...violence and all ..With the trail of mayhem Hillarygate left behind on this one...A person should be ashamed of ever supporting "SUCH A NASTY WOMAN"...huh perm??

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

What that little statistic means is that 99.2% of homicide victims, including victims of mass shootings, were k**led with a handgun.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

You seem to be lost in your world of mists and visions..

do you want me to comment on anything?? It is rearly old, debunked and only your wishes..

But if you have something, i will give it a shot.. try and find one thing to b ring up...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

That is an awesome list larry,

But with the inclusion of the Bundy criminals, I feel it may very well be a made up list of the moment..

maureenthannon

Not only guns, but, you can get instructions on how to build a bomb online. Tht's k**l quite a few, and damage some property at the same time. It's impossible to get rid of all possible weapons. We have to find a way to deal with people who are known to have mental issues. This particular school shooter posted online what he planned on doing It was reported to the FBI, bt they didn't bother to check him out, maybe they were too busy trying to find a Russian-Trump collusion.When will those in charge try to find ways to deal with mental illness, obviously prescription drugs are not the answer. Most of the mass k**lers in the lasr cople decades were on anti-depressant or anti-phycotic drugs.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Larry,

Yes, they have done it before, they would do it again..

troops do not hold a meeting before following orders.

A great deal of time and effort goes into ensuring troops follow orders and do so fast..

It is as they say on some TV show, grab your gear and go..

It would be a cold day in anywhere that the military turned on our government..

If it comes down to shooting as the right seems to hope, the military will be with the government..

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The onlyest thing that should be brought up is...the awareness of the progt*****rs..."we see y'all, nothing and I mean absolutely nothing can detract from the horrible scandalous behavior of 'SUCH A NASTY WOMAN'...

FBI director Wray said recently the Hillarygate emails are being re-investigated ..how sweet is that??

Poor ol Hillarygate servant Andrew McCabe is being investigated by his own...as to how he knew that Hillarygate's emails were found on another of your buddies computer..yeah old Anthony Weiner had a copy...and McCabe sat on this 'incriminating evidence' for three weeks...So you keep lying about our President Donald J Trump and we'll keep telling the t***h about "HILLARYGATE, SUCH A NASTY WOMAN!"...

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

So now we should simply forget about the several hundred victims of the AR-15 because a great many more were k**led by hand guns??

OH that works well...

Blade, Please think that over just a bit more..