Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Okay, I'll bite:

"If the right would simply stop falsely accusing the left of being completely socialistic...."

Okay, I want to make a bet right here right now, I'll bet the left cannot stop falsely accusing Donald Trump. And Donald Trump represents the moderate conservatives you call right. Now the left have falsely accused Trump of everything from being a sexist, racist, traitor, etc.. So if the left quits demonizing Trump, maybe the right will quit demonizing the left.

This agreement sounds reasonable, right?

Will it ever happen?

Ask a liberal.

Morgan

No, you're completely off the mark, and didn't the right do the very same thing to Obama? No of course not, they're all truths correct, from the beginning, of not being born in America, on and on. Here's the difference, with Trump it is a personal attack, accusations easily proven or not, for example, Trump's constant lies...proven, on tape and recorded fact. However, when people slander the masses by a bias statement, it is simply a generalization, which is never true, a prejudice spoken out of hatred and ignorance. Shame as an adult you still don't recognize the difference. Good luck America.

I suppose you believe, public roads, public schools, social security, public protections and emergency services are all social programs that haven't benefited the country as a whole?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I will agree that Trump brings much criticism on himself. I'm not giving him a pass on untruths. Why do I call somethings he says untruths? Because I don't believe some of the things he says are lies. A lie is an intentional untruth. I believe he says what ever he thinks and many times doesn't do or care that he hasn't fact checked it. Not very presidential, not very smart, when you know the press and the other side is just waiting to pounce. Public Roads, protections, services, are all paid for by the tax payer. In true socialism everyone would pay. As we know much of government is supported by an ever shrinking Federal tax payer base. I hear people on OPP disparage corporations all the time. The US government is the biggest "corporation" forced on the people. We have strayed far from what the Founder's envisioned.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

We're talking about oranges and lemons here. Committing murder is readily provable, requires a legal charge and/or indictment. Doing a long series of he said/she said unprovable acts that cannot be verified although the accusers seem credible is something else.
In the business realm, your stockholders and/or your board can throw you out without proof, because it affects the public image of the company, and hence its sales.
In public service, the same applies. It's not so much whether the person is truly guilty of the offense - you'll probably never know. It's about the optics and the credibility of the organization to which the accused belongs. Whether or not it's true, it affects how the public sees the group. Because of Roy Moore, the Republican party will be tainted as being the party of pedophiles because they supported him, whether he's guilty or not. Guilt or innocence doesn't enter into this particular equation.
If you can live with the group being stained by the accusations, then so be it. But you'll pay a price for the association in the public's mind. Human nature 101.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Well put., Please use quote reply so we know whom you are addressing.

maximus Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee

No...I'm not sorry that Trump got elected. No...I'm not sorry that liberals cried like babies on election night. No...I'm not sorry that Clinton didn't win it because she is one of the worst corrupt politicians in history. I'm not sorry that after Obama got elected my approval soon turned to dismay as I watched him side ( the president taking sides !!!) in every black/white incident that the liberal media could dig up, rendering judgement before the country even had all the facts ( isn't that racial prejudice???). I'm not sorry that I felt ashamed while watching the world start looking at the US as a toothless hound.
So, I really don't care if you can't 'forgive' me for electing Trump. I will admit that he has done and said things (that every man who isn't lying has done and said). People on the left are trying to live in a fantasy world. But guess what...we are a nation of lying, low down, cheating, inconsiderate, disrespectful morons. And yet we want to hold our leaders to a higher standard. They are just people...they pee and poop, fart and belch just like the rest of us.
Trumps election demonstrated that his followers didn't care about the tiny infractions committed by him, that we were much more concerned about the economy, foreign relations, illegal immigration, corruption in the federal government, and protection of the Constitution, just to name a few. The liberal side?? Ashamed to be white, saying the Mexican pledge of allegiance in US schools, anchor babies, LGBT folks put on a pedestal (you DO realize that the great majority of this country is NOT LGBT), cringing at the threat from a dinky country that we could eliminate in a matter of minutes.....it's like you want to run a country by making white people ashamed of what color they are.
I am sorry that some people got their feelings hurt, but I figure that in a world where people get burned alive, drowned, heads cut off, and dismembered just because they belong to the wrong gang or religion or they are believed to be a witch, it's not too bad.
So don't 'forgive' me. I am pretty happy living in an America where citizens are proud to be an American......again ! God bless the United States of America !

Morgan

This may be true, but as far as a say in our so-called corporate government, we the people have an active and hopefully an effective say in it, at least we are supposed to, but with the tactics from both sides this is being less and less the case. As far as the workings of private corporations we have no say, only if they go against the law. If the right were to guard against the infractions of the government and the left against corporations, we should be good, right...unfortunately not so, is it due to the fact both sides are too far slanted to protect the side they support? The other difference to consider the fundamental purpose of them both, the government's purpose is to protect and support it's country and citizens, the corporation's duty is to the owners/stockholders/investors. Big difference.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Just what Corps do you hate? Apple, Microsoft? We do have a say. We can speak with our wallets. The one thing government could do to make corporations more accountable to the people is outlaw stock by backs.

Morgan

Not sure who you are replying to, please use the quote reply so we know what you're addressing, I hate to assume things get misconstrued way to easy around here already, thanks.

Morgan

You're assuming, and your assumption is wrong. Why would I hate corporations, what I might passionately disagree with is their actions. For example, cutting peoples retirement pension funds, to use the money for their investors, or to reinvest, or whatever reason. Those people were dedicated for a lifetime, or let's say not to pay a fitting amount of Federal tax as example GE paying zero. Their Actions, not the corporation.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

Sorry ...... I was addressing the thread at large, not any particular poster. I'll try to be more specific in the future.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

No problem.

whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon

A little tilted to the histrionics, but basically I agree.

First, not all lefties are in that fantasy bubble you describe. Second, Yes, we do want to hold our leaders to some kind of moral rectitude. Maybe not a religious dogmatic kind, but at least treat everyone equally and with some respect. As to the electorate, they're not morons, just politically ignorant and governmentally-challenged.Yes they are just people, but as people come in all flavors, can we get one up top that can at least climb out of the gutter and stand on the sidewalk? I would opt for a leader that at least farted, belched, peed and pooped in the privacy of their own domain, not out here in the public square.

OK, venom against the liberals aside, let's take this point by point.
Trump's supporters elected him because he's a celebrity, and he appealed to their basest emotions of 'us versus them', racial division and isolationism. All three of these are flash points for Americans that have lost their jobs to overseas workers, and see what they perceive as their 'value structure' being destroyed. These two factors put most white, less-educated, more-religious people on the defensive. Standard of living, and their moral structure being challenged.
I'm not ashamed to be white. I'm not anti-immigrant ... hell, we're all immigrants going back to the Puritans landing on Plymouth Rock. I am anti-illegal immigrant, but I'm also a realist. What do we do with all of the undocumenteds that are already here? Deport 'em? Alabama's agricultural community went down the tubes when the state passed strict laws about deporting any illegals that they found ... farmers couldn't find enough help and had to let crops rot in the fields. In California, the Central Valley would go into a financial depression and your produce prices would skyrocket if the illegals were all deported en masse.
LGBTQ people comprise at least 10% of the population. At least we could give them equal rights and tolerance as we do to all other citizens. I realize that religious and moral considerations enter into this, but this is a democracy/republic in which all citizens are guaranteed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. You don't have to accept them into your home or church if you don't want to ... that's your right, but everywhere else we have to have tolerance and equality.
As to the 'dinky little country' of North Korea, there's more to the equation than just squashing them like bugs. Consider that the capital of South Korea is only forty miles from the DMZ, and the North has ten-thousand artillery pieces just north of that border, not to mention a million-man army. Yeah, we could wipe them out, but not before the North would obliterate 800,000 people in Seoul with artillery fire, not to mention the 20,000 American service members that are also in the line of fire. Add to that the probability that you saddle China with a few million refugees fleeing across the northern border into China.
Do I want to run a country where white people are ashamed of their color? Of course not. But in many parts of this country, minorities make up a majority of the voting public. Los Angeles is one. But the key is working all these things out without violence or meteoric rhetoric and coming up with a way forward.

OK, I won't forgive you. And your reference to intolerance I hope is reflected in your everyday life because it's the only way we'll get along in the long run.
Great post ... well put ... I just disagree with a few parts of it.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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It’s rather hard to understand you with all of the “residue” around and spewing from your mouth from all of the ATM activities you do with your boyfriends and farm animals.

As to my mom, she passed a long time ago and she never practiced the stuff you claim she did. As to you and your family, on the other hand, it’s common knowledge that’s what you all do.

Also, didn’t you recently lose an election to be Alabama’s newest Senator? I thought I heard that you’re notorious for chasing underage girls for nefarious reasons.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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And, yet, you never afforded Obama the same considerations. Why is that? Are you saying everything Obama said, he knew to be a lie? According to many on your side, that’s the case. They say so without any doubt whatsoever.

As to “fact-checking,” any time someone quotes a “liberal” site, you folks come out in droves to say the site is biased. Yet, you have no pretensions about the “facts” that come from the sites you guys love to use.