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Dec 18, 2017 04:38:17   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
You obviously do not understand the difference between a Democracy and a Constitutional Republic. So, let me explain in this analogy:

Let me ask you something Ranger. When your representative can only v**e for something you approve of or you will try to v**e him out of office how is a Republic any different that a democracy?

The original premise behind a Republic was to put the best and brightest in power and then let them work for the common good. They may v**e the way you like and they may not but in an enlightened populace that wouldn't determined how you v**ed. We've abandoned the premise behind a Republic long ago and for better or worse we are as much a democracy as if we had the direct v**e.

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Dec 18, 2017 04:41:42   #
PeterS
 
Nuclearian wrote:
He followed CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. Just not the REINVENTION of the Constitution that the Libtard judges follow. So he is more fit for office than the Judges whose job is to FOLLOW, not re-interpret the law.

If he had followed constitutional law he wouldn't have been kicked off the bench.

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Dec 18, 2017 05:30:54   #
PeterS
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
is unfounded and immaterial?

No it's not. You people attacked Obama from day one and haven't even let up after he left his post. Why do you expect us to be any less petty towards Trump than you conservatives have been to Obama?

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However, the American people, the v**ers still want him. We sent Trump to Washington to give us a voice and fight back against the "mob" commonly called the "Establishment". The "Establishment" what a joke. You know what the "Establishment" is a den of thieves. These i***ts want us, the American Public to believe, that Obama Care is the greatest triumph of the 21st century but it makes the poor, poorer, the rich, richer, and the middle class poorer.

Explain how Obama care made the rich richer and everyone else poorer.

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Meanwhile, they gave North Korea, nuclear weapons and even sold them Uranium. And to cover it up, they said that Trump Colluded with the Russians.
We, the people were watching. We watched as angry gossips started to believe their gossip and even try and convict people of crimes that they never committed or crimes that were committed so many years ago. Ever hear of statute of limitations? They didn't obviously.

They who? NK has its own source for local uranium and the Russians built them a breeder reactor in the 60's. They have since built more of their own. They don't need anyone else to provide them with uranium. As for giving them nuclear weapons they got their original plans from the Pakistani and then built their own. I don't know what you are smoking but it's causing you to hallucinate...

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Look at Bill Cosby just for an example. Apparently is was proven that Bill, drugged these girls. That is self apparent from the court records. However, he paid dearly when his son died. That was a punishment he has to live with the rest of his life. Yet, to add insult to injury, they went after him and brought more pain to him. What kind of dirty underhanded people are we? I mean really lets just get a true reality check here. No wonder Iran calls us evil. And the fight against Donald Trump is proving them right.
Look at Bill Cosby just for an example. Apparently... (show quote)

I'm not sure I understand your logic. Are we suppose to suspend the rule of law because someone suffers a death in the family? Cosby raped any number of women. I'm sorry for his son but as far as I'm concerned he should rot the rest of his life in jail...

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The phrase, "Indian Giver", was created here by the United States Government, yet it was the US Government who was the Indian giver, not the Indians. But educated people, would know that. It shouldn't be the racial slur, "Indian giver", it should be called "Government giver".

Well, anyways, Trump is cleaning them out one person at a time, but how long can it last? I mean really? The "Press", "Media" or what have you, seem to not have to abide by the constitution at all. They can pry into the private life of anyone(which is very scary), and if the "Media" doesn't like you, they can make up any story they want about compromising circumstances we all seem to get into at one time or another. That is C*******t, Socialist, and down right evil. Yet Pete you are OK with that.
The phrase, "Indian Giver", was created ... (show quote)

I wasn't happy about all the stories the RW propaganda machine made up about Obama so clearly I'm not happy with that. And if that is c*******t should I call you comrade?

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Well, I'm not! Not at all. There is a such thing as privacy. And the Privacy of Donald Trump is being c*********d and I wish that he would go after the Reporters. The Democrat Sheep tend to hang on to every word the president Tweets or says. Like you did in this last comment to me. Like you never talked "Guy talk" before? Really? I believe you did, does that make you guilty of sexual harassment, assault etc?


Trump made it clear that it was "Locker-room talk", ie, "Guy Talk", talk that is not intended in mixed company. But just because a blow heart, self-indulged person, comments to a reporter in that manner, does not mean that he really feels that way. That reporter used that interview of gossip as testimony and evidence against Trump, that is very low. And not honorable. Am I to believe, that it is wrong and illegal, to talk to other men one way, and talk to women in another way and mixed company is a third way? Hell, if I can't speak my mind, then what is the point of being real, and ever speaking?
Well, I'm not! Not at all. There is a such thing a... (show quote)

If you are running for president don't sit there and boast that you can kiss anyone you want and grab them by their pussy. If you end up with 19 law suits after that I'm not going to shed one tear for you. Next subject!

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Trump has a good heart, and strong belief in freedom, that you cannot even fathom. Why do I say that? Because you want control. All liberal/progressives seek control. Well, you are witnessing what happens when control is ripped away from you. Obama used the federal government, for private profit. Trump is not doing that. But Clinton, Hillary and Bill, did the same. It is simply amazing, that now the people have a real true president. Not a perfect one. And this real president is being real. Obama was perfect but not real. There's your difference. It is better to be real, than perfect.
Trump has a good heart, and strong belief in freed... (show quote)

Liberals want control so that makes Trump love freedom and have a good heart? You are aware that this is the same guy that has bankrupted dozens of businesses and hurt hundreds of people simply because he refused to pay them. I know very few people who have a good heart who would do that. As for being a lover of freedom--maybe his freedom but I have seen nothing to indicate he cares about it for someone else--and certainly not democrats...

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Dec 18, 2017 05:45:36   #
Mary Anne
 
Manning345 wrote:
Hilarious! Please detail the contents of your virulent strain of thought! There just might be something to it if you admit that Trump is doing the tasks we conservatives wanted done at a goodly pace, and you resent these tasks because you are in the progressive camp. He is erasing Obama's creations step by step, and that may well lie at the heart of your assumption of a virulent strain.

But then, the thesis your partner in crime stated, that we won't be coming together because of your perception of Trump, is sheer madness, a overreach for effect, and all in all rather stupid. Trump is our president for the next years, and to opt out is to lose your voice in the nation's affairs. I find that reassuring, since I personally do not want your progressive ideas to take hold any more.

As to a corrupt soul, I seriously doubt you could recognize one, since you apparently wanted Clinton to be elected, and many people of all political bents saw her as a highly degraded soul, so high that they v**ed for TRUMP.
Hilarious! Please detail the contents of your viru... (show quote)


I notice,you do not discuss what the post said. Only go on the defensive and go after Hillary. That is the reason many of us will not get together. Your total failure to see what you v**ed for and try to deflect.

You never stand up for Trump. That is very telling on your part.

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Dec 18, 2017 09:06:20   #
jelun
 
Could I make one small edit? The whole administration is being observed as they destroy the fabric of our nation. I think SOUL should be plural.



rumitoid wrote:
They do not get it. They keep saying the Left is attacking Trump. There have been no attacks. There have been mere observations of his miscreant behavior. It is not Politics, as you pointed out; it is deeper than that. A virulent strain of thought and a corrupt soul.

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Dec 18, 2017 13:34:18   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
PeterS wrote:
This was on my facebook feed. I think it hits the nail on the head...


Just one more lie in a long list of lies against President Trump. The only head that was hit by a nail was yours. You seem to believe everything put out that agrees with your position. Pure loony tunes propaganda and you fell for it, hook, line and sinker.

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Dec 18, 2017 15:17:11   #
Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia
 
Mary Anne wrote:
I notice,you do not discuss what the post said. Only go on the defensive and go after Hillary. That is the reason many of us will not get together. Your total failure to see what you v**ed for and try to deflect.

You never stand up for Trump. That is very telling on your part.


This is, of course, a lie. I v**ed for Trump, and I most certainly would not have v**ed for Hillary in any circumstances. I heartedly approve of Trump's agenda for legislation, and his use of Executive Orders to erase much of Obama's unconstitutional and unnecessary, cost-producing works, and his departments' regulation swamp that greatly burdened small businesses. I also approve of his steps to pull the US our of damaging treaties and agreements that were initiated by the clowns of Obama's administration or Obama himself, especially that concerning the C*****e C****e s**m.

Further, I believe he has been set up on his accused sexual harassments by money-seeking broads. A recent post here lays out the accusers and their f**e accusations. And, I do not really give a damn about his Tweets, except when he uses them to go around the MSM to reach the citizenry with important information, which I find to be an exceptionally good thing. Fact is, I'd believe a Trump Tweet over any MSM story, as they are inveterate liars. slanters and make up artists, with an unnatural hatred of Trump to begin with. If all of this is grounds for never coming together, it means that the Left is so biased it cannot see the woods for the trees.

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Dec 18, 2017 15:39:29   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
jelun wrote:
Could I make one small edit? The whole administration is being observed as they destroy the fabric of our nation. I think SOUL should be plural.


You are talking about the Obama administration , I believe? They most assuredly were the one's that destroyed the fabric of this nation and would have done more if it was not for the e******n of Trump.

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Dec 18, 2017 15:49:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Manning345 wrote:
This is, of course, a lie. I v**ed for Trump, and I most certainly would not have v**ed for Hillary in any circumstances. I heartedly approve of Trump's agenda for legislation, and his use of Executive Orders to erase much of Obama's unconstitutional and unnecessary, cost-producing works, and his departments' regulation swamp that greatly burdened small businesses. I also approve of his steps to pull the US our of damaging treaties and agreements that were initiated by the clowns of Obama's administration or Obama himself, especially that concerning the C*****e C****e s**m.

Further, I believe he has been set up on his accused sexual harassments by money-seeking broads. A recent post here lays out the accusers and their f**e accusations. And, I do not really give a damn about his Tweets, except when he uses them to go around the MSM to reach the citizenry with important information, which I find to be an exceptionally good thing. Fact is, I'd believe a Trump Tweet over any MSM story, as they are inveterate liars. slanters and make up artists, with an unnatural hatred of Trump to begin with. If all of this is grounds for never coming together, it means that the Left is so biased it cannot see the woods for the trees.
This is, of course, a lie. I v**ed for Trump, and ... (show quote)

Excellent points. I’m well,pleased with the Trump policies so far. I have been pleasantly surprised.

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Dec 18, 2017 22:20:27   #
Morgan
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Let's get our definitions straight here ...
Wikipedia definition:
F*****m /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
(in Marxist theory) a t***sitional social state between the o*******w of capitalism and the realization of c*******m.

We have in this country some things socialistic and some parts f*****t. That means that both sides in this argument have partial validity. Medical care is trending socialistic, because people believe that health care is a basic right. We have a president that tends f*****t and is authoritarian and a Congress that wants to become more anarchic with less control over anything except defense.

How this all plays out is still open to question, but I would bet on some sort of compromise where nobody gets a complete control over how the society works.
Let's get our definitions straight here ... br Wik... (show quote)


Yes, the compromise is what we're living, a democratic republic that uses social programs. If the right would simply stop falsely accusing the left of being completely socialistic because of it and to also stop their attempts to demonize them by also accusing them of being c*******tic/Marxist simply due to the whistleblowing they do to make people aware of what is covertly happening behind closed doors...hence the tax plan and all its little piggybacking.

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Dec 18, 2017 22:28:26   #
Morgan
 
Manning345 wrote:
This is, of course, a lie. I v**ed for Trump, and I most certainly would not have v**ed for Hillary in any circumstances. I heartedly approve of Trump's agenda for legislation, and his use of Executive Orders to erase much of Obama's unconstitutional and unnecessary, cost-producing works, and his departments' regulation swamp that greatly burdened small businesses. I also approve of his steps to pull the US our of damaging treaties and agreements that were initiated by the clowns of Obama's administration or Obama himself, especially that concerning the C*****e C****e s**m.

Further, I believe he has been set up on his accused sexual harassments by money-seeking broads. A recent post here lays out the accusers and their f**e accusations. And, I do not really give a damn about his Tweets, except when he uses them to go around the MSM to reach the citizenry with important information, which I find to be an exceptionally good thing. Fact is, I'd believe a Trump Tweet over any MSM story, as they are inveterate liars. slanters and make up artists, with an unnatural hatred of Trump to begin with. If all of this is grounds for never coming together.
This is, of course, a lie. I v**ed for Trump, and ... (show quote)



Manning345 wrote:

it means that the Left is so biased it cannot see the woods for the trees


Have you noticed after your last comment, it sounds exactly like you, just read your own post for validation of what I'm saying.

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Dec 18, 2017 22:38:42   #
Morgan
 
whitnebrat wrote:
Let's get our definitions straight here ...
Wikipedia definition:
F*****m /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.
Socialism is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
(in Marxist theory) a t***sitional social state between the o*******w of capitalism and the realization of c*******m.

We have in this country some things socialistic and some parts f*****t. That means that both sides in this argument have partial validity. Medical care is trending socialistic, because people believe that health care is a basic right. We have a president that tends f*****t and is authoritarian and a Congress that wants to become more anarchic with less control over anything except defense.

How this all plays out is still open to question, but I would bet on some sort of compromise where nobody gets a complete control over how the society works.
Let's get our definitions straight here ... br Wik... (show quote)



One other little fyi you might not be aware of and that Wikipedia has recently shall we say updated the old version of f*****m, their new definition is muddying the once clear waters that defined f*****m. You can check out what I'm saying, why they have done this I'm not sure.

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Dec 18, 2017 22:51:00   #
Morgan
 
Ranger7374 wrote:
is unfounded and immaterial?

However, the American people, the v**ers still want him. We sent Trump to Washington to give us a voice and fight back against the "mob" commonly called the "Establishment". The "Establishment" what a joke. You know what the "Establishment" is a den of thieves. These i***ts want us, the American Public to believe, that Obama Care is the greatest triumph of the 21st century but it makes the poor, poorer, the rich, richer, and the middle class poorer.

Meanwhile, they gave North Korea, nuclear weapons and even sold them Uranium. And to cover it up, they said that Trump Colluded with the Russians.
We, the people were watching. We watched as angry gossips started to believe their gossip and even try and convict people of crimes that they never committed or crimes that were committed so many years ago. Ever hear of statute of limitations? They didn't obviously.

Look at Bill Cosby just for an example. Apparently is was proven that Bill, drugged these girls. That is self apparent from the court records. However, he paid dearly when his son died. That was a punishment he has to live with the rest of his life. Yet, to add insult to injury, they went after him and brought more pain to him. What kind of dirty underhanded people are we? I mean really lets just get a true reality check here. No wonder Iran calls us evil. And the fight against Donald Trump is proving them right.

The phrase, "Indian Giver", was created here by the United States Government, yet it was the US Government who was the Indian giver, not the Indians. But educated people, would know that. It shouldn't be the racial slur, "Indian giver", it should be called "Government giver".

Well, anyways, Trump is cleaning them out one person at a time, but how long can it last? I mean really? The "Press", "Media" or what have you, seem to not have to abide by the constitution at all. They can pry into the private life of anyone(which is very scary), and if the "Media" doesn't like you, they can make up any story they want about compromising circumstances we all seem to get into at one time or another. That is C*******t, Socialist, and down right evil. Yet Pete you are OK with that.

Well, I'm not! Not at all. There is a such thing as privacy. And the Privacy of Donald Trump is being c*********d and I wish that he would go after the Reporters. The Democrat Sheep tend to hang on to every word the president Tweets or says. Like you did in this last comment to me. Like you never talked "Guy talk" before? Really? I believe you did, does that make you guilty of sexual harassment, assault etc.?

Trump made it clear that it was "Locker-room talk", ie, "Guy Talk", talk that is not intended in mixed company. But just because a blow heart, self-indulged person, comments to a reporter in that manner, does not mean that he really feels that way. That reporter used that interview of gossip as testimony and evidence against Trump, that is very low. And not honorable. Am I to believe, that it is wrong and illegal, to talk to other men one way, and talk to women in another way and mixed company is a third way? Hell, if I can't speak my mind, then what is the point of being real, and ever speaking?

Trump has a good heart, and strong belief in freedom, that you cannot even fathom. Why do I say that? Because you want control. All liberal/progressives seek control. Well, you are witnessing what happens when control is ripped away from you. Obama used the federal government, for private profit. Trump is not doing that. But Clinton, Hillary and Bill, did the same. It is simply amazing, that now the people have a real true president. Not a perfect one. And this real president is being real. Obama was perfect but not real. There's your difference. It is better to be real, than perfect.
is unfounded and immaterial? br br However, the A... (show quote)


A real true president, you must be smoking some good s***

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Dec 19, 2017 01:26:02   #
whitnebrat Loc: In the wilds of Oregon
 
Morgan wrote:
One other little fyi you might not be aware of and that Wikipedia has recently shall we say updated the old version of f*****m, their new definition is muddying the once clear waters that defined f*****m. You can check out what I'm saying, why they have done this I'm not sure.


Thankee ....... I'll check it.

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Dec 19, 2017 03:24:10   #
Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ
 
PeterS wrote:
Let me ask you something Ranger. When your representative can only v**e for something you approve of or you will try to v**e him out of office how is a Republic any different that a democracy?

The original premise behind a Republic was to put the best and brightest in power and then let them work for the common good. They may v**e the way you like and they may not but in an enlightened populace that wouldn't determined how you v**ed. We've abandoned the premise behind a Republic long ago and for better or worse we are as much a democracy as if we had the direct v**e.
Let me ask you something Ranger. When your represe... (show quote)


Hostile much pete?

Let me answer this question you posed.
PeterS wrote:
Let me ask you something Ranger. When your representative can only v**e for something you approve of or you will try to v**e him out of office how is a Republic any different that a democracy?


My Representative has to represent me? Correct or Incorrect?
And therefore, if my Representative does not represent me, do I not have the right to v**e him out of office?

A Republic is ruled by the rule of Law. In ancient Israel, the Law of Moses was the law. Regardless who served after him, the Law of Moses was supreme over the people. Yes, Israel was a Representative, Democratic Republic, that fell into a Monarchy.

Ben Franklin, James Madison, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton, all wrote about the problems of a Democracy.

Answer me this Pete, if you were accused of murder, would you rather be tried by the lynch mob(Democracy) or the Sheriff(Republic)?

If you are tried by the Sheriff, you are entitled to a speedy trial, you are entitled to be judged by a jury of your peers, you are entitled to Miranda rights, you are entitled representation, you are entitled to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

If you are tried by the lynch mob, you are entitled to a rope.

Choose.

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