PeterS

If the Sheriff was subject to the wishes of the mob it wouldn't make any difference what so ever--I would be dead either way. That's my point--by forcing our politicians to do only our bidding else you will boot them out we have in fact become a democracy. And one thing you are missing is that there is no rule that a democracy can't have a constitution and abide by the rule of law. As such, I would trust which ever side believed in the rule of law and that could be a democracy equally as well as a republic.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

LOL. You could write these words just about anyone on OPP. I never said everything Obama said was a lie. Fact checking sites are notoriously skewed. I always look up the founders of such sites. Almost always seems the people running them have an agenda. Remember when Obama said there were 57 states? An obvious mis-speak. If trump said that your side would be screaming he lied about the number of states. I can’t speak for anyone else but my biggest problem with Obama was the t***hs he spoke. When he said he wanted to fundamentally change America I believed him and I was right. I knew his history. Wasn’t hard to figure out what he wanted. What he wanted wasn’t e******y of opportunity. He wanted income e******y no matter the effort. Everything that man stood for was community organizer BS and you guys are still falling for it. He was going to make Wall Street pay for their malfeasance remember? Any go to jail? No. Matter of fact he now pals around with them and gets paid millions for speeches to those same people. Those are the lies I deem important.

PeterS

How have we falsely accused Trump of being sexist, r****t, a t*****r, etc? Trump has a history of misogyny and has boasted about it on more than one occasion plus he's cut his political chops by accusing Obama of not having a birth certificate then there is his comment how there are good people too amongst the NeoN**is--one of which had just finished mowing down an innocent woman. Sorry, but as soon as you tattoo a swastika on your body you've stopped being good. I don't know what it takes for you to see sexism and r****m in people but there are very few amongst us who can't see it in Trump. As for being a T*****r the jury is still out. As for a quid pro quo if we stop. That's BS. The right is brought up demonizing the left. There is nothing we could do that would get you to stop...

Morgan

Excellent post, I think we're gonna get along just fine, one blue dot to another...LOl

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

Great post!!!!!.......Agree with EVERYTHING you have said!!! BTW,welcome to the political jungle,Maximus ..Great to have you here on people's side!!!

Morgan

Ironic isn't it Peter, we all thought after WW II and the fight against Hitler we'd never see that kind of movement again, and yet here we are watching people not only to be willing to go against Americans but to do it so completely enthusiastically, and once again as if it were their patriotic duty. Truly amazing.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Please, J, go back and re-read my post. I didn’t say YOU said everything Obama said was a lie. In fact, I ASKED you if that was what you were saying. I DID say that “... many on your side do.” That’s not an indictment of you unless you choose it to be.

Relating to the “fact checking sites,” I know that many from your side have done exactly as I said; they DO down-play any reference from any forum they judge to be liberal, which is usually anyone who doesn’t agree with them. As long as your base buys into that, they will never open themselves to even try to understand moderates and liberals. To them, anyone and anything considered moderate or liberal is an enemy, to not be trusted, and believed; simply to be eradicated ASAP, and by any means available. You, yourself, have alluded to the same on occasion, on multiple threads on the OPP. Just go back and re-read your own posts. Or, go back and look at all of the “ “ you’ve posted in response to others who’ve posted nefarious comments regarding liberals and moderates.

One thing you did say was that you go back and check-out the founders of the sites you visit. That's all well and good. But once you find out who runs these sites, what is your criteria as to whether or not you feel they’re credible? Is it if they post articles in a political vein you approve of? Do you ever visit sites that post opinions that you generally don’t approve of, just to find out more info as to their point of view? If not, why not? I’d think that by looking at the “other side,” you could gain some insight into what they’re trying to do. You might even found out they’re not so bad after all.

Just saying ...

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

This response you have now posted I can work with. You are posting fear beyond law. Both liberals and conservatives have this fear driving them, however, being either a republic or a democracy, any snap decision that is not well thought out is a foolish decision.

It is that snap judgement and fearful evidence that I am against. And that's the decisions that were made mostly by liberals recently. That's why I was against both Clinton and Obama.

Too many holes in thier decision that caused harm to our way of life. Savoy?

PeterS

The movement never really died and with the advent of Trump that was all it needed to go full force once again.

alabuck Loc: Tennessee

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Movements like the new-N**is and KKK and other Reich-Wing radicals will never die completely, as long as there is just 1 person who’ll want to believe that they’re being picked-on or held back by someone else. Those who can’t prosper by their own accord will always be looking for a scapegoat on which to blame their failures. It’s been that way since mankind started living in tribes, then villages, then cities, or identify themselves as some sort of group, be it farmers or workers, or some other group identification.

Then, someone who sees the discomfort of these groups and knows how to get them to see him/her as their savior from their alleged misery, picks out another group and tells the 1st group, “These are the people who have caused you your misery!” And, he/she then proceeds to repeat his/her lie(s) over and over and over, again, until those lies become accepted as “t***h.”

The people, believing the lies, now, are willing to follow their new leader wherever he/she leads them; not seeing that their new leader is no more than a swindler and a pathological liar, hell-bent on getting as much out of his/her followers as possible, for his/her own benefit. Also, he/she doesn’t give a tinker’s damn about the harm he’s/she’s caused the group identified to be the cause of all of the 1st group’s problems.

The new leader will stop at nothing to remain in power and to gather as much wealth as possible for his/her coffers, legally or illegally. And, should the new leader be caught with their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak, his/her repeated denials of wrong-doing will be believed by most of his/her followers.

In the meantime, the people, egged-on by their leader, will happily do as much harm to their perceived enemies as possible, even up to the point of genocide. Never mind that the perceived “bad guys” had nothing to do with the problems to start with. They were to busy trying to handle their own issues to mess with the 1st group’s problems. But, that is of no consequence to the 1st group’s leader or to the followers of the leader.

Oddly, too, what the leader had told the followers will, in time, be found-out to be a lie(s). And, they’ll need to find another group to blame their troubles on. But, it’ll be too late to stop the “slaughter of the innocents.” Too bad, too. Because those being hunted would’ve gladly shared what they had. Now, the hunted will be looking to exact the revenge they now so righteously deserve to get.

And, what of the leader who helped bring on such calamity? Why he/she gets to retire to his/her riches and live out his/her life in luxury, as he/she has no feelings of remorse. In fact, the leader will continue to relish in the knowledge that he/she was able to fool so many gullible people into making him/her more better-off than before.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

What you say is exactly the way that a man I worked with described being converted to Islam..

PeterS

Couldn't have said it any better. Nicely done...

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

Good analogy, you watched the ABC after-school special "The Wave" didn't you? But you are 100% right in the analysis.

Morgan

Did you know that 75% of death's related to terrorism in America, isn't from ISIS but from w***e s*********ts? That's an eye-opener. One other point, the groups as the KKK recruit people the same way ISIS does, looking for people who are rejected, angry and lost.

Morgan

You're correct, I had just posted something to the same point, unfortunately, I read the page from the (most recent)bottom up, guess I shouldn't do that.