O.K., Pro-Choicers: Let's Talk About What Happened to Jane Doe's Baby
Oct 28, 2017 12:31:46 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
So we should call you pro-abortion.
And, as a physician, I can attest that those are true pictures of abortuses. I have seen others, FYI.
And, as a physician, I can attest that those are true pictures of abortuses. I have seen others, FYI.
That would be an incorrect assessment.
I personally think there are cases where an abortion is not an acceptable thing. But as a man I feel strongly the decision is between a woman, her doctor and, if she feels the need, whatever spiritual power she recognizes. I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.
Oct 28, 2017 13:51:49 #
TommyRadd wrote:
You are making the assumption that an unborn baby is not human. That is your fundamental problem. Would you sacrifice a 1 year old under the same argument?
I made no such assumption. It's a simple proposition: should government have control of our bodies to insure the right to life? That's what you are proposing--I simply want to know if you understand that...
Oct 28, 2017 13:53:12 #
PaulPisces wrote:
That would be an incorrect assessment.
I personally think there are cases where an abortion is not an acceptable thing. But as a man I feel strongly the decision is between a woman, her doctor and, if she feels the need, whatever spiritual power she recognizes. I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.
I personally think there are cases where an abortion is not an acceptable thing. But as a man I feel strongly the decision is between a woman, her doctor and, if she feels the need, whatever spiritual power she recognizes. I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice.
Nicely stated...
Oct 28, 2017 14:02:41 #
crazylibertarian
Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
PaulPisces wrote:
MW - I own a Bible and am quite good at reading. And while I thank you for your efforts at a Sunday School lesson, I reject your interpretation (which is what it is - an interpretation).
If we were to find ourselves in a class together I would be willing to debate your points back and forth. But I have no interest in doing so here on OPP.
If we were to find ourselves in a class together I would be willing to debate your points back and forth. But I have no interest in doing so here on OPP.
What you didn't absorb, PaulPisces, was Jesus' statement that what you do for the least of mine, you do for me. The least of all of ours are the fetuses in the womb. If you reject that statement then you reject the opinion of The American Academy of Pediatricians that life begins at fertilization and The American Medical Association whose policy is life begins at implantation.
I know you believe, like all progressives, you are better than conservatives but you might give those things a thought. Your mind could use the exercise.
Oct 28, 2017 14:10:00 #
Bad Bob wrote:
Let's just mind our own business and leave BIG govment out of it.
Let's just quit playing denial games and call a spade a spade.
Oct 28, 2017 14:15:03 #
PeterS wrote:
So you're telling me it's justice for the governme... (show quote)
The point is that with the availability of free contraception there is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy except for rape, and murder is not an acceptable option to avoid responsibility.
If you need to look at cost and level of risk to the.mother, abortion is obviously unacceptable compared to birth control through contraceptives.
Oct 28, 2017 14:16:59 #
Bad Bob wrote:
I thought the right wingnuts were all for freedom, liberty,little govment and constitutional rights.
Add taking personal responsibility for your actions.
Oct 28, 2017 14:36:31 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
Some other pro-choicer brought up SCOTUS, not I. ... (show quote)
Well if SCOTUS can't determine what is constitutional who can and what's the courts purpose in all this?
Oct 28, 2017 14:50:29 #
Docadhoc wrote:
The point is that with the availability of free contraception there is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy except for rape, and murder is not an acceptable option to avoid responsibility.
If you need to look at cost and level of risk to the.mother, abortion is obviously unacceptable compared to birth control through contraceptives.
If you need to look at cost and level of risk to the.mother, abortion is obviously unacceptable compared to birth control through contraceptives.
That's your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that women have the right to control their bodies just as you have a right to control yours. So long as her choice lies within the legal parameters it's her choice to make, acceptable to you or not, and her's alone.
Oct 28, 2017 14:51:28 #
Docadhoc wrote:
Add taking personal responsibility for your actions.
There are those who would say having an abortion is the responsible thing to do...
Oct 28, 2017 14:53:17 #
crazylibertarian wrote:
What you didn't absorb, PaulPisces, was Jesus' sta... (show quote)
And just how do you intend to force women to have children they don't want? Are you going to do it or will this be a new branch of government?
Oct 28, 2017 15:23:47 #
Docadhoc wrote:
The point is that with the availability of free contraception there is no excuse for an unwanted pregnancy except for rape, and murder is not an acceptable option to avoid responsibility.
If you need to look at cost and level of risk to the.mother, abortion is obviously unacceptable compared to birth control through contraceptives.
If you need to look at cost and level of risk to the.mother, abortion is obviously unacceptable compared to birth control through contraceptives.
Except that free contraception is not available in many cases, especially since Republicans started messing with healthcare.
Oct 28, 2017 16:33:00 #
PaulPisces wrote:
MW - I own a Bible and am quite good at reading. And while I thank you for your efforts at a Sunday School lesson, I reject your interpretation (which is what it is - an interpretation).
If we were to find ourselves in a class together I would be willing to debate your points back and forth. But I have no interest in doing so here on OPP.
If we were to find ourselves in a class together I would be willing to debate your points back and forth. But I have no interest in doing so here on OPP.
Of course you don't want to debate. You know you don't have a leg to stand on.,
So then what's YOUR interpretation of it. Inquiring minds like mine want to know.
Oct 28, 2017 16:38:52 #
PeterS wrote:
That's your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that women have the right to control their bodies just as you have a right to control yours. So long as her choice lies within the legal parameters it's her choice to make, acceptable to you or not, and her's alone.
Why don't we call a spade a spade Pete and call it legalized murder.
Oct 28, 2017 16:41:26 #
PeterS wrote:
And just how do you intend to force women to have children they don't want? Are you going to do it or will this be a new branch of government?
Sure Pete, they want to f**k but they don't want to accept the consequences of their actions of bringing a new life into the world.
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