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That one went right over your head pal !

I.e. The Traitor Miser boot Licker POPE recently muttered and insinuated moving toward a one world Religion..

Hmmm now I wonder what that would look like and who's the leading Prophet ?

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

eagleye, To condemn others religion is easy. To give an intelligent answer, not so much. It may interest you and Chucky to know that the Talmud and the Torah are not opposed to each other. I have never studied Talmud, but respect it for what it is. It deals with the oral law. The Torah deals with the written law. It is meant as a fence around the Torah to protect it from crazy interpretation. Again I challenge you to ask orthodox Rabbis questions about the Talmud if you have questions. They have studied it all their lives, and love to discuss it.
Satan is not dealt with much in modern Judaism, at least in the conservative and reform movements. Too many people blame a devil for evil, when the evil is really within themselves. Remember the old Flip Wilson show? He played the part of a preacher of the first church of what's happening now. Everytime he did some outrageous act, he blamed the devil, " The devil made me do it". There is much to think about. By placing the source of evil on an external source, we don't take responsibility for our own evil doings! How is a devil supposed to be an enemy of God? Why would an all powerful God allow an evil entity trying to replace God to exist for a single second? Is the devil as powerful as God? If so, wouldn't that be polytheism? I have never really understood this belief. Then again, if there is a devil, I bet his name is Chuck Baldwin!!!!!

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Saltwind; so you are speaking for all/most Jews; that - "As far as Satan is concerned, we believe that he is a true servant of G-d" - saltwind
I doubt that. There are more Jewish synagogues becoming Messianic Christian ministries all the time. I have celebrated many Feasts with them.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

It was for a good reason that the Founder of this Country opted for freedom of religion.

There is no sound reason to have a Nation religion with when the are many Religions.

So while we find it all right for citizens to have different Religious views There would be no National Religion.

Meaning that people of all Religions have a part in all we were & can be.

This being a Political Forum I feel it is best to minimize the discussion of Religious differences.
While Our Religious belief's may color our personal views it is as an individual we should be judged.

Religion is a personal matter & political matters are by nature public matters.
It is important to keep the matters Personal & Political as separate as possible.

People should have as much personal freedom as can be had.

One's Personal freedom should not interfere with anothers Personal freedom.


This was done by people who were Christians. Setting this down as a Principal part of what they created.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"This being a Political Forum I feel it is best to minimize the discussion of Religious differences.
While Our Religious belief's may color our personal views it is as an individual we should be judged."
I disagree


There is no separating the two for getting to the bottom of ones beliefs. They are intertwined. Knowing ones perspective and beliefs, gives insight for those beliefs.
Salty just explained his. That was good.
He also claimed to be speaking for most Jews.
Disregarding the difference between Torah and Talmud.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Floyd, I couldn't agree more. There are some religious leaders that use their church leadership to lie and advocate hate of other faiths and groups. I can name at least a couple, and I bet you can as well. I have seen a few of the followers of these men discuss politics on OPP. To me religion is a spiritual thing not political. When ever I see these so called clergy discuss politics, it raises a red flag. I think everybody should know where these guys are coming from, don't you?

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

There is no separating the two for getting to the bottom of ones beliefs. They are intertwined. Knowing ones perspective and beliefs, gives insight for those beliefs.
Salty just explained his. That was good.
He also claimed to be speaking for most Jews.
Disregarding the difference between Torah and Talmud.

When wickedness is being defended;
IMO - The reasons for doing so are important.
Ignorance?
Character?
an agenda?
Guilt by self administered association?

Sometimes these can be clarified and eliminated.
It takes the desire.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Eagleye has no knowledge of the Talmud. He has absolutely no idea of what it is. He has no idea of what it says. He has no idea of it's historical background. There is nothing terrible of being ignorant of a religious book of another religion, except when you demonize it based on the misinformation of an extremest.
I never, never would presume to speak for most Jews. I know something of the Jewish faith, because I went to Hebrew school as a boy. There is a saying that when you have ten Jews in a room, there are twenty different opinions. Many orthodox Jews don't even call the religion I have as Judaism. I belong to the Conservative movement of Judaism which in some ways challenges traditional Orthodox teachings. The Reform movement is even further away from orthodoxy. I am not a fundamentalist. I do not think that the Old Testament, especially Genesis is word for word true. If anybody wants to know what the Jewish holy books say, ask a Rabbi. An Orthodox Rabbi will give you a traditional explanation. I am no Talmudic scholar, and even Orthodox Rabbis have different interpretations of Talmudic passages.
I know a lot about Jewish culture and history, but the Talmud and Zohar must be studied for years too understand even the basics. It is for sure that a non traditional Paster that has been described as far right has his own viewpoint on these issues, but that doesn't make him right or expert. Eagleye's views reflect Chuck Baldwin's views which are not true in any sense.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"As far as Satan is concerned, we believe that he is a true servant of G-d" - saltwind
There you have it boys and girls; saltwind is a Talmudist
Satan is a servant of God. Just how twisted is that?
No wonder he backs the Satanic Illuminati NWO racists.

[quote=saltwind 78]eagle nose, The New Testament is not part of the Jewish belief system. I find it interesting, but it just doesn't jive with the Old Testament, which is God's direct word to the Jewish people. I'm not going to debate the two, because I have no interest in insulting the Christian religion. Suffice it to say both faiths are Abrahamic monotheistic religions that believe that " do not do onto others that which you would not have done onto you" its God's commandment to all peoples. You are certainly entitled to your beliefs, and I mine. I can not see how Reverend Baldwin advances this idea. He preaches a kind of anti- Jewish message, which, as far as I can see is certainly not part of the Christian message of love.
We do not believe in either Revelation, or Ephesians as they are Christian, not Jewish. They have no more relevance to me than the Gita has to you! The books of the Old Testament that you quote are taken out of context. As far as Satan is concerned, we believe that he is a true servant of G-d. It is his task to tempt man to do evil. There can be no good without casting out evil. To believe that Satan is in rebellion against God, and seeks to replace him is considered polygamy in Judaism, since God is in full control and is all powerful. Corinthians

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

More & more we are looking at the way things are happening & are able see with greater insight How & why some people think & react to what is going on.

I think more & more people are coming to the conclusion that The Government has been taken over & become the play thing of the Big Money Machine.
There seems to be no limit of what they will do to strengthen their position & hold over Us.

It is time for those we elect to take heart in the trust we give them & treat our trust with respect.

As we gain in trust with each other the trust we give to those we elect carries more weight.

No one can really lead with out those that give their support to them.

People like Us on sites like OPP can as we gain agreement as to what we see as fit to be. can come to be.

We should not look at our self as being from the Right or the Left because those terms are just meant to divide Us.

If we here can find but one issue we all could agree on it would be the start of taking back our Country that should be for all of Us.



It is for Us to find flaws & short comings in their actions.

It is not so much for Us to find agreement with each other on al issues, but to find the important issues & cover ups that cause the greatest damage to our personal well being.

JUST REMEMBER THE COUNTRIES STRENGHT DOES NOT COME FROM ANY ONE OF US BUT FROM ALL OF US.
WE WILL GIVE THAT POWER TO THE PERSON THAT TREATS THAT POWER WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT.

When we find agreement on the issues we wish to back. We can look for those that would best fulfill that obligation.

I say we choose the Person & not let the party choose who we could vote for.

When we give our trust to the party the party & the chosen one both put the party first.

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Respect and uphold our Constitution.
Bill of Rights.

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Read the Constitution.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Just another wake up call:

Trump releases damning video contrasting Clinton, Comey statements
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10157263351880725/
At the time????
It is what it is! Again!
She really didn't mean it?
This morning’s damning analysis of Hillary Clinton’s actions related to her personal email server and her now disproven claims are the subject of a brutal new video released by the Donald Trump campaign.
I did not send or receive any information that was marked classified at the time,” Clinton says in an ABC News interview featured in the ad.
“From the 30,000 emails returned to the State Department in 2014, 110 emails in 52 email chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received,” Comey said this morning — a direct contradiction of Clinton’s previous statement.
After repeating Clinton’s clip, the shows Comey saying, “Eight of those chains contained information that was ‘top secret’ at the time they were sent.”
He continues, “Thirty-six of those chains contained ‘secret’ information at the time they were sent.”
The video will do nothing to ease voters’ minds about Clinton’s lack of trustworthiness or honesty....

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Comey is an operative boot licker and I hope he Hangs for Treason along with the rest of them.
Keep pushing, things are starting to escalate in more than one place..

This needs to happen !

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

What makes you think I don't understand what is in the Constitution?

For time it was written it was a pretty good job.