bluejacket

I hope you armor is strong because you have exposed the teaparty the very truth they have tried to hide from, and you are going to hear a lot of I am not that part of that teaparty , get ready

old white guy Loc: south Wisconsin

Nothing here for me. I heard Sarah is going/has gone to Iowa. Wonder if that's true.

dhelix33

Who cares?

Schuler Loc: Santa Fe NM

Wow-really great posts this morning on this particular issue! I am new to this type of communication (what's the use of having an opinion unless you can share it) but participate because the forum gives a really varied cross section of opinion, and helps to identify who and what is causing the 'seeds of discontent' to foul our nation. Now for some more 'red meat'! Ted Cruz is clearly (in my opinion) a McCarthyish clone, and to not recognize him as dangerous to our nation-foolhardy.! I believe he was chosen to go to our capital and 'foul the nest'-while the puppet masters who put him there pull the strings behind the scenes--as in big money-and fascist corporate America. Their message and style is so like the Gerald K. Smiths and Father Coughlins, Ku Klux Klan and Henry Fords and his Nazi buddies of the past- it is truly terrifying. But this time their hate and real intent is a little less overt, couched as it is in jargon and buzz words. But make no mistake the plan is the same-find some one to blame-(our twice elected President and his 'failed' liberal, progressive ideas and all who may agree))-divert and direct attention through lies ,hate mongering and out and out misrepresentation)about 'them' or 'it'. All those- to use their language- dirty, 'commie' 'socialist', 'anti-Christian', liberal, progressive philosophies and governments are the targets. And- oh yea-control the media-FOX anyone? I think/believe the Tea Party and their true purpose and plan fits that 'movement' very close. So just what is their plan?--well- how does world domination sound?--how about a planet run by predatory capitalism -how does perpetual war for profit and power sound?--pretty fantastic sounding to be sure! But there is evidence to back my fears. The 'New World Order'-and the current 'international trade' plan being pushed by 600 (yup that is SIX HUNDRED) corporations comes to mind-WWII comes to mind-could WWII have been fought to save 'horrors-capitalism in Europe--and not just to save the world from Hitler--hoo boy--how about Vietnam and Iraq--why were those wars really 'fought'? 'They' wave the flag and yell for our sons to go 'over top and kill em'! Shouting 'your freedom is stake'-'your daughters are being raped'- 'your women enslaved'-huh--so where are all these bad guys? Hmmm-right in the middle of a whole bunch of oil is where they are. Ahhh-but I wax philosophic--So-I say again--'who loves ya baby'--hint:-it ain't the 1% or the folks who are financing and in control of the Tea Party.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Morning helix, so have you done any good deeds yet this morning? Like pay for the guy behind you's mocha

As far as I can tell the only people hiding from their ignorance is you. When you refuse to read or look up what I suggested.

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

The "objective reality" is that no one really cares what you think about the T.E.A. movement. You rant and rave about different "names" associated with the movement, but the movement is still there and that's what you are so angry about. Put a sock in it about the different names you libs like to associate with the group, it's not important.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Interesting, we both think the (other) side is all about power and control with total world domination as their goal. You can have all if the social programs you want (actually you already do) and they are all very well intentioned. But we can't pay for them when are already borrowing money to just pay the interest on the debt. Every single nation that has tried to print its way out of debt has crashed and burned we are printing 85,000,000,000 a month. Do the math !!!! It's not the 1% that are going to pay it, you and your children's children's children will. Why don't you go to a good economics school or start up a small business and hire some people

Schuler Loc: Santa Fe NM

Hmmm-already did all that you suggest!--and now I suggest you investigate WHY and HOW money is 'borrowed' and from whom-I suggest you study and learn who the real winners and losers are in our 'monetary' system. The words 'macro economics' comes to mind. Using the 'debt' argument is like arguing about how many capitalists can you put on the edge of a dollar?-I made that up--yuk-yuk-yuk. If capitalism is to continue-there must always be 'debt'-that is what makes the wheels of commerce turn-there must always be -'more'- of everything-and the 'end' result-who really knows-so another suggestion read "The Ascent of Money"--we are just about there!.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

As for your oil statement tell comrade Obama to stop taking money from the railroads and put the damn pipeline in, stop lying about methane leakage around gas wells, stop scaring people their children will be born with 3 eyes in fear of water contamination from fracting ( 60 years no leaks NONE !) the point here is our trade deficit we must have a real energy policy that does everything in our power to wean ourselves off of middle eastern oil. Until we can achieve this goal we will continue to be slaves to those that despise the freedom you have to write your hate filled crap.

And here's one I bet you'd never hear from a conservative I am in agreement with president Obama on one thing. Imagine what we could accomplish as a nation if we all volunteered just 3 hours a week to community service. Anything that you think is worth while Red Cross, Salvation Army, local school, senior citizen center, 4H, Boy Scouts, food shelf, anything that helps other people. Do the math 308,000,000 million people times 3 hours a week times 52 weeks. Sorry my calculator doesn't go that high, we could significantly if not totally eliminate all of the most dire problems we currently are facing as a nation. Even my liberal friends think I'm nuts but then so did the other hockey coach's when they found out I was also a scout master at the same time.

I challenge you to find a worthy cause and make a difference in someone else's life.

Cowboy Pat

I am proud to be called a Tea Bagger. Just because those left wing radicals at MSNBC thinks it offends us makes me prouder. They are wrong most of the time.

Richard94611

The Tea Baggers have done enormous harm to the Republican Party's chances of having a strong voice in our government for at least the next election or two. Given the antics of the Republicans to impede Obama's efforts, they deserve the downfall they are in the midst of.

dhelix33

I am not angry - just surprised that so many people like you continue to be lapdogs for this Koch brothers astro turf 'movement. By the way, some of your simpleton associates ran and whined to the administrator in the forum about my less than complimentary description of you all as "teabaggers". I had then refrained from using the term "teabagger" and have used your revisionist term "Tea Party" to describe your astro turf 'movement'. And now with selective amnesia and double standards that are typical with you "Tea Party" terrorists, direct personal insults have been directed to me as opposed to responding with rational rebuttal to the facts and opinions I share, by writing that I am a "DemLib-Socialist", "libertard", "Communist" and words that are somehow supposed to anger me. But I see this as a laughable act of group masturbation by you ignorant teabaggers. Oh, and by the way, I will now only refer to you all as "teabaggers" in this forum from now on - as opposed to adding the descriptive adjective I write in my political blog, "stupid teabaggers".

While stumbling into the methodically planned shutdown by the lunatic fringe teabaggers in the House of Representative, Boehner lost any claim to authority. No sane American has any doubt who is responsible for Washington's dysfunction. The Teapublican right still does not accept the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency. This is why much of the government shut down. The issue here is not that Congress failed to reach a "compromise." The Democrats already have compromised, lopping about $70 billion off their budget proposal, to the dismay of many progressives. That was meaningless to a teabagger crowd that cares nothing about the deficit, despite its talk. Teabaggers will be satisfied only if Congress denies health care coverage to over 25 million Americans, which is what "repealing Obamacare" really means.

What needs to be said over and over as long as this stupid and artificial crisis brewed by teabaggers continues is: Financing the government in a normal way and avoiding a shutdown should not be seen as a "concession." Making sure the government pays its debt is not a "concession". It's what we expect from a well-functioning constitutional system. It's what we expect from decent and rational stewards of this great experiment. The teabagger extremists who have taken over the House do not believe in a normal, constitutional system. They believe only in power.

There is only one way for this to end: Sane and rational republicans fed up with hysteria need to tell the far right teabagger terrorist, "Enough!" They need to overcome their abject fear of republicans teabaggers who are under Cruz-control, being supported by his mean-spirited cheerleaders in that live in Rush Limbaugh's alternate reality. Sane and rational republicans need to exit the leave the teabagger created congressional House of Self-Inflicted Wounds. I know where this teabagger political experiment leads. If this shutdown does not end the teabaggers reign of intimidation, America will be subjected to one unnecessary crisis after another as the extremist teabagger terrorists keep ripping up the roots of our constitutional republic government.

viet vet

it isn't the harm they have done to themselves that I am concerned about it is the damage they are doing to the process of governance and the country in general

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

I also remember it as you posted. Thought it was a nickname they liked..When I used it in my first post, someone politely asked me not to do so. I have respected that and do not think it has slipped into any other post..After all times change and I think not using the term, maybe someone will read the post more openly..

dhelix33

These people ran and whined to the administrator in the forum about my less than complimentary description of them as "teabaggers".

I then refrained from using the term "teabagger" and have used their revisionist term "Tea Party" to describe that astro turf 'movement'. And now with selective amnesia and double standards that are typical with these "Tea Party" terrorists, direct personal insults have been directed to me as opposed to responding with rational rebuttal to the facts and opinions I share, by writing that I am a "DemLib-Socialist", "libertard", "Communist" and words that are somehow supposed to anger me.

But I see this as a laughable act of group masturbation by the ignorant teabaggers. Oh, and by the way, I will now only refer to them as "teabaggers" in this forum from now on - as opposed to adding the descriptive adjective I write in my political blog, "stupid teabaggers".