As for your oil statement tell comrade Obama to stop taking money from the railroads and put the damn pipeline in, stop lying about methane leakage around gas wells, stop scaring people their children will be born with 3 eyes in fear of water contamination from fracting ( 60 years no leaks NONE !) the point here is our trade deficit we must have a real energy policy that does everything in our power to wean ourselves off of middle eastern oil. Until we can achieve this goal we will continue to be s***es to those that despise the freedom you have to write your h**e filled crap.

And here's one I bet you'd never hear from a conservative I am in agreement with president Obama on one thing. Imagine what we could accomplish as a nation if we all volunteered just 3 hours a week to community service. Anything that you think is worth while Red Cross, Salvation Army, local school, senior citizen center, 4H, Boy Scouts, food shelf, anything that helps other people. Do the math 308,000,000 million people times 3 hours a week times 52 weeks. Sorry my calculator doesn't go that high, we could significantly if not totally eliminate all of the most dire problems we currently are facing as a nation. Even my liberal friends think I'm nuts but then so did the other hockey coach's when they found out I was also a scout master at the same time.

I challenge you to find a worthy cause and make a difference in someone else's life.

I am not angry - just surprised that so many people like you continue to be lapdogs for this Koch brothers astro turf 'movement. By the way, some of your simpleton associates ran and whined to the administrator in the forum about my less than complimentary description of you all as "teabaggers". I had then refrained from using the term "teabagger" and have used your revisionist term "Tea Party" to describe your astro turf 'movement'. And now with selective amnesia and double standards that are typical with you "Tea Party" terrorists, direct personal insults have been directed to me as opposed to responding with rational rebuttal to the facts and opinions I share, by writing that I am a "DemLib-Socialist", "libertard", "C*******t" and words that are somehow supposed to anger me. But I see this as a laughable act of group masturbation by you ignorant teabaggers. Oh, and by the way, I will now only refer to you all as "teabaggers" in this forum from now on - as opposed to adding the descriptive adjective I write in my political blog, "stupid teabaggers".

While stumbling into the methodically planned shutdown by the lunatic fringe teabaggers in the House of Representative, Boehner lost any claim to authority. No sane American has any doubt who is responsible for Washington's dysfunction. The Teapublican right still does not accept the legitimacy of Barack Obama's presidency. This is why much of the government shut down. The issue here is not that Congress failed to reach a "compromise." The Democrats already have c*********d, lopping about $70 billion off their budget proposal, to the dismay of many progressives. That was meaningless to a teabagger crowd that cares nothing about the deficit, despite its talk. Teabaggers will be satisfied only if Congress denies health care coverage to over 25 million Americans, which is what "repealing Obamacare" really means.

What needs to be said over and over as long as this stupid and artificial crisis brewed by teabaggers continues is: Financing the government in a normal way and avoiding a shutdown should not be seen as a "concession." Making sure the government pays its debt is not a "concession". It's what we expect from a well-functioning constitutional system. It's what we expect from decent and rational stewards of this great experiment. The teabagger extremists who have taken over the House do not believe in a normal, constitutional system. They believe only in power.

There is only one way for this to end: Sane and rational republicans fed up with hysteria need to tell the far right teabagger terrorist, "Enough!" They need to overcome their abject fear of republicans teabaggers who are under Cruz-control, being supported by his mean-spirited cheerleaders in that live in Rush Limbaugh's alternate reality. Sane and rational republicans need to exit the leave the teabagger created congressional House of Self-Inflicted Wounds. I know where this teabagger political experiment leads. If this shutdown does not end the teabaggers reign of intimidation, America will be subjected to one unnecessary crisis after another as the extremist teabagger terrorists keep ripping up the roots of our constitutional republic government.

One would think that the stakes are high enough for Republicans to put in some serious time trying to provide a rational message. As the economist Alfred Marshall once said, facts do not speak for themselves. If you are expecting rational thought by this group of teabagger terrorist Republicans in control of the House, the country is in big trouble.

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have lost control of the Republican Party and handed its future to hardcore extremist fundamentalist ideologues the likes of Texas Senator Ted Cruz. While Cruz is increasingly popular with the lunatic fringe of the republican v**ers, his appeal with the republican party at large does not exist. Terrorist teabagger republicans like his ignorant uncompromising rhetoric and his arrogant in your face style, but in a national general e******n choosing Ted Cruz as the party’s nominee will be a recipe for political disaster.

My hope is that Cruz is the republican p**********l nominee in 2016. If so, republicans should be warned that they will lose if they go with Cruz. However, since teabagger terrorists in this country are not interested in reality based reasoning, this warning will almost certainly fall on deaf ears.

One would think that the stakes are high enough for Republicans to put in some serious time trying to provide a rational message. As the economist Alfred Marshall once said, facts do not speak for themselves. If you are expecting rational thought by this group of teabagger terrorist Republicans in control of the House, the country is in big trouble.

Mitch McConnell and John Boehner have lost control of the Republican Party and handed its future to hardcore extremist fundamentalist ideologues the likes of Texas Senator Ted Cruz. While Cruz is increasingly popular with the lunatic fringe of the republican v**ers, his appeal with the republican party at large does not exist. Terrorist teabagger republicans like his ignorant uncompromising rhetoric and his arrogant in your face style, but in a national general e******n choosing Ted Cruz as the party’s nominee will be a recipe for political disaster.

My hope is that Cruz is the republican p**********l nominee in 2016. If so, republicans should be warned that they will lose if they go with Cruz. However, since teabagger terrorists in this country are not interested in reality based reasoning, this warning will almost certainly fall on deaf ears.

That was my approach when I first joined this forum bluejacket. However, the level of stupidity by many of those who respond here with simplistic, ignorant "Tea Party" talking points - or just ugly rhetoric, is prolific. Have not seen any type of comprehension for 'dialogue' in this forum - unless it was another "Tea Party" member metaphorically patting the back of another "Tea Party" member for their simplistic, ignorant "Tea Party" talking points - or just ugly rhetoric.

There's nothing quite like the alternate reality of the Tea Party. I have seen people in this tea bag laced forum whine about me off handedly referring to the Tea Party 'movement' as "teabaggers." What I find most amusing is the notion that calling Tea Partiers "teabaggers" is a horrendous, unforgivable slur. because Tea Partiers find it offensive now

The associated term for your 'movement' - "teabagger" - was introduced to the political lexicon by your Tea Party 'movement' leaders.

On your Tax Day rally, April 15, the Koch brother funded program pushed out an astro turf group of 'organizers' with a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.”

So, you so-called "conservatives" started using the teabagging reference yourselves, in terms of your "identity" - and then others ran with it, and ran with it. The origin of the term is relevant in determining the relative size of the Tea Party’s violin being played. Furthermore, what needs to be pointed out is the fact that the Tea Partiers not only invented the term, they did so in order to inflict a similar double entendre onto the President, the Democrats, and progressives in general. Hence, it’s a violin being played so small, you'd need an electron microscope with a zoom lens to see it.

Now, you people in this forum (and you know who you are) have a hissy fit when I call you what you named yourselves, trying to re-cast the term as a slur, that I am somehow using a term hurtful to all the Tea Party members who are just ordinary moms, dads, sons, and daughters - I believe your dubious bigoted code word is "Real Americans". The latter point has some resonance, but the former is ridiculous in the extreme.

In emails, protest signs, t-shirts, and online, early Tea Party literature urged protesters to “Tea Bag the White House,” and to “Tea-bag the liberal Dems before they tea-bag you.” The suggestion is that the metaphoric “tea-bags” be shoved in the mouths of the President, Democratic members of Congress, and even ordinary citizens who identify as liberal Democrats. The idea that you all just didn’t know the term’s only (at that time) meaning is belied by the fact that you obviously knew it was negative (and non-consensual), since you didn’t want it done to you, and also because it only had one meaning.

It was only after MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and David Shuster, and CNN’s Anderson Cooper, turned the tables on the term teabagger that you "Tea Partiers" objected. You were perfectly satisfied to advocate the metaphoric mouth-rape of liberal men, women, and children, but had the nerve to become indignant when the insult boomeranged on you.

For all you "Tea Party" members out there (who just make the world, less) - There is a way to distinguish the validity of a 'bias' or 'opinion' or 'belief'. It's called 'objective reality'.

There's nothing quite like the alternate reality of the Tea Party. I have seen people in this tea bag laced forum whine about me off handedly referring to the Tea Party 'movement' as "teabaggers." What I find most amusing is the notion that calling Tea Partiers "teabaggers" is a horrendous, unforgivable slur. because Tea Partiers find it offensive now

The associated term for your 'movement' - "teabagger" - was introduced to the political lexicon by your Tea Party 'movement' leaders.

On your Tax Day rally, April 15, the Koch brother funded program pushed out an astro turf group of 'organizers' with a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.”

So, you so-called "conservatives" started using the teabagging reference yourselves, in terms of your "identity" - and then others ran with it, and ran with it. The origin of the term is relevant in determining the relative size of the Tea Party’s violin being played. Furthermore, what needs to be pointed out is the fact that the Tea Partiers not only invented the term, they did so in order to inflict a similar double entendre onto the President, the Democrats, and progressives in general. Hence, it’s a violin being played so small, you'd need an electron microscope with a zoom lens to see it.

Now, you people in this forum (and you know who you are) have a hissy fit when I call you what you named yourselves, trying to re-cast the term as a slur, that I am somehow using a term hurtful to all the Tea Party members who are just ordinary moms, dads, sons, and daughters - I believe your dubious bigoted code word is "Real Americans". The latter point has some resonance, but the former is ridiculous in the extreme.

In emails, protest signs, t-shirts, and online, early Tea Party literature urged protesters to “Tea Bag the White House,” and to “Tea-bag the liberal Dems before they tea-bag you.” The suggestion is that the metaphoric “tea-bags” be shoved in the mouths of the President, Democratic members of Congress, and even ordinary citizens who identify as liberal Democrats. The idea that you all just didn’t know the term’s only (at that time) meaning is belied by the fact that you obviously knew it was negative (and non-consensual), since you didn’t want it done to you, and also because it only had one meaning.

It was only after MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and David Shuster, and CNN’s Anderson Cooper, turned the tables on the term teabagger that you "Tea Partiers" objected. You were perfectly satisfied to advocate the metaphoric mouth-rape of liberal men, women, and children, but had the nerve to become indignant when the insult boomeranged on you.

For all you "Tea Party" members out there (who just make the world, less) - There is a way to distinguish the validity of a 'bias' or 'opinion' or 'belief'. It's called 'objective reality'.

Lily,
I could be wrong, but my interpretation of DH was that he/she was looking for intelligent banter and thought provoking discussions. Frankly, and semi-lucid comment on this board by anyone who even QUESTIONS the teabaggers is often met with h**e, rage, and ignorance.

I do not believe that DH is looking for a "pat on the back" that would be what your people look for. Speaking of such, if any of you bothered to put a single foot out of your bubble of fox, rush, and hannity, and sought opinions that were genuinely different than yours, then perhaps you would not be so shocked when say, Obama beat Romney in the e******n....

...perhaps