Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I find it interesting that you'd make an assertion in defense of Obama's actions that even he didn't make - I'm not about to read a bill that the Senators and Representatives that v**ed for it won't read - but if there is a provision allowing Obama to amend it as he has, those provisions would most appropriately be cited by Obama - or his supporters. Failure to do so by either is evidence enough

Winter Solstice Loc: Salt Lake City

The Constitution says without equivocation that only Congress can write, re-write or amend laws. Every time Obama (and the Supreme Court) sees fit to change Obamacare, they are violating provisions of the Constitution. Call it a "tweek" if you like but is is still an unconstitutional activity and, as such, is unlawful.

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

LOL! That's righteous!

Your premise is funny: If somebody does something legal, they should declare it. If they don't, then it is illegal. Am I following your logic ok?

What I am saying is that federal laws - whether the ACA, the NDAA, or others - contain many provisions that give the administering authority leeway in carrying out the law. One thing that is well-known among lawmakers is the incidence of "unintended consequences" when broad laws are passed. To minimize them, they frequently include provisions that give the Secretary of the involved department leeway. Some typical ones: "the Secretary may...", "as the Secretary may direct", "as defined by the Secretary".

NOTE: I am not saying that Obama did not violate the ACA law with some of the tweaks he has made. I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T CARE!!!

If you care, here's a link to the ACA; hang him if you want!
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

I'm just s**k of so many people acting like they know what they are talking about when all they are doing is spewing garbage they read on extreme right wing websites....keeping in mind that those websites exist ONLY to make money by attracting readers. You guys need to start questioning your sources!

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Frankly I don't think you can follow my logic. To you Obama can do no wrong unless he just isn't assertive enough with his great infallible wisdom and anyone saying anything against him has no substance. That kind of logic will never be able to follow independent logic - and I wouldnt' want to even try with someone like you, I'm afraid reality would frighten you too much. Just the statement that you don't even care if Obama is violating the law is enough to disqualify you from unbiased discussion.

JimMe

TY... You made me feel good at being 63 yrs old & having probably no more than 18-20 yrs left of this Insanity...

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

Show me in the ACA where Obama violated the law. If you're the claiming it, then it is incumbent on you to back it up.

Here's the law. If you are such a scholar of the Constitution that you know Obama violated the law, show us:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf

I'm serious. I am making no claim as to whether Obama did or did not violate the law. My guess is that there are provisions either in the ACA or elsewhere that gives him the legal authority to make the changes and exceptions that he has made. You are the one claiming that he violated the law, so it is incumbent upon YOU to prove your claim. Or are you just blowing smoke that someone else blew up your ass?

Keep in mind before you knock yourself out: I REALLY DON'T CARE!

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

Tick tock - like a watch!

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

Since Dave isn't on line, I'll answer this.

White House Violates Law with Obamacare Delay - written by legal columnist Ken Klukowski who is on faculty at Liberty University School of Law and is one of the lawyers involved with Obamacare litigation

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/02/White-House-Illegally-Delays-Employer-Mandate-to-Avoid-2014-E******n-Disaster-and-Grow-Government-Run-Exchanges

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

I don't fear IPAB because it can determine things for me alone. Oh no, I fear it because I am pretty sure that as a group we can all be hurt by their decisions. That single piece of Pelosi from you people tells me that you don't want anything other than defense for the ACA.

BTW, have you ever given any thought to the fact that Obamacare is not really involved in care. It is about insurance and how it can work to give care. All the care comes from various caregivers who are controlled by the law as to what they can do. Obamacare is nothing but a law about insurance.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Old - you're trying to make sense to a guy who has already clearly said he can care less if Obama is violating the law or not - with that level of Obamamistic love no comments or logic can displace it.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

Some article on a rightwingnut website by a lawyer from Jerry Falwell's rightwing Liberty University is not a credible reference. Sorry. What's so hard about finding the exact provision of the law that says what you guys all say it says?

RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC

That ("Obamacare is not really involved in care.") is exactly why I have been objecting all along to references that Obamacare is "socialism". Not even close. People still buy insurance from commercial insurance companies. They still get their care from commercial (non-govt) doctors. They still go to non-govt hospitals. The govt isn't even involved in collecting premiums or paying claims.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

Nothing is credible to you except your distorted and warped left-wing sources. Just what I expected from you...excuses and left-wing bulls**t. You keep drinking that Obutthead Kool-Aid CWO.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

No, but government contractors are! Same thing, just an extension of the government!