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Dec 30, 2013 10:47:29   #
boss2
 
Brought up in a Christian home, after studing myself, came to the end, self made person. the eye print, voice print, dna, we all r indivisibles, we all r responsible for our sins. The hardest part of living, was taking care of my parents, never dreamed I would be shaving my father bathing, cooking feeding, same for my mother, my children were easy to care for. Still alot of changes r hppening to me. I would to thank the friends. Dr. Dave Foltz, Carl Lye Neely, Norman Toler, Layne Persingerand all my docters for keeping me alive.

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Dec 30, 2013 11:58:11   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Hungry Freaks wrote:
Human logic is not at question here. God doesn't act according to the logic of mere mortals. The finite mind cannot comprehend the infinite wisdom of God.

There is amble evidence that creatures that may or may not have been predecessors of the creatures alive in today's world existed. How the creatures alive today got here is not addressed in the bible. "In the beginning the earth was void." Look up void in the dictionary-it presupposes something being made void. What that is may be forever unknown-and totally unimportant.

Stop telling me how God acts. You haven't a clue.
Human logic is not at question here. God doesn't a... (show quote)


I asked you to "show me otherwise".
You did not.
No one knows HOW God acts....only that EVERYTHING that occurs in our lives is an act of God.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:04:25   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
Brian Devon wrote:
You might want to go right to the source. Read "Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin.


That was crammed down my throat in 10th grade.
An interesting read by a mere mortal with an imagination to explain existence in his own view, a man's view.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:07:30   #
Brian Devon
 
banjojack wrote:
Then, what is the answer? This is the fun part. There oughtta be a correspondence course: Cosmological speculation and wild assed guesses for fun and profit! Amaze Your Friends! Bemuse Your Enemies! Organized religion is nothing more than an attempt to reduce the unfathomable to the understandable, too frequently with less than altruistic motives. The sincere and the charlatan, all mixed in together.


Brilliant analysis. You put it together rather succinctly. You have a flair for words.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:08:28   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
slatten49 wrote:
Brian, I would think that "Origin of Species" is considered blasphemous by creationists. They could just as easily suggest you read the Bible to confirm their beliefs.

It is almost pointless to attempt changing another's Faith/religious beliefs. Faith is a personal decision, and should be honored by those of differing views.

Another's Faith should be no threat to one's own.


Well put. :thumbup:

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Dec 30, 2013 12:09:55   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
When that is the argument posed, one must then ask, "Where did God come from?" An answer that "He has always existed." is no answer at all.


Here is your answer:

Only God knows.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:30:54   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
:thumbup:


God is so much more than what man can comprehend that we are almost delusional to even try.

Science be it chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology etc etc isn't the enemy of God but the instrument we have to help us better understand the gift he has given us.

The bible is a history book of a semi nomad tribe and the story of their relationship with God.

It helps guild us on how to live our life's and to receive God's love into our hearts.

But to use the bible as a scientic publication is problematic at best.

Take the Noah's ark story as the example.

Was there a global flood as described in Genesis, well yes there probably was. There does appear to be many cultures around the world that have similar stories. Only several of the stories were written quite a bit earlier than the one in genesis.

As impressive as 750' x 75' x 45' is there is no way you could have fit just the mammals from Africa on it much less from the rest of the continents.

So there are some discrepancies in the bible that we must live with as more a story of morals than of actual events.

Is science evil or even evolution evil well no the bible doesn't tell us how God created all that there is only that he did.

But as we learn more about particle physics, quantum mechanics and unified theories the closer we come to seeing just how amazing his/her creation really is.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:41:16   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
:thumbup:
Therein lies the rub. Perhaps analogy is a better way to put this in perspective: Go find a stray cat, and explain quantum physics to the critter. Any luck yet? In the same way, Atheists refuse to believe in what they cannot see, touch or feel. (Well, up to a point; I don't know of any who don't believe in atoms and molecules). They cannot conceive of it, therefore it cannot exist. The cat and quantum theory.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:44:54   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
God is so much more than what man can comprehend that we are almost delusional to even try.

Science be it chemistry, physics, astronomy, geology etc etc isn't the enemy of God but the instrument we have to help us better understand the gift he has given us.

The bible is a history book of a semi nomad tribe and the story of their relationship with God.

It helps guild us on how to live our life's and to receive God's love into our hearts.

But to use the bible as a scientic publication is problematic at best.

Take the Noah's ark story as the example.

Was there a global flood as described in Genesis, well yes there probably was. There does appear to be many cultures around the world that have similar stories. Only several of the stories were written quite a bit earlier than the one in genesis.

As impressive as 750' x 75' x 45' is there is no way you could have fit just the mammals from Africa on it much less from the rest of the continents.

So there are some discrepancies in the bible that we must live with as more a story of morals than of actual events.

Is science evil or even evolution evil well no the bible doesn't tell us how God created all that there is only that he did.

But as we learn more about particle physics, quantum mechanics and unified theories the closer we come to seeing just how amazing his/her creation really is.
God is so much more than what man can comprehend t... (show quote)



Your post reads like reasonable understanding brought on by the tranquil, peaceful setting of fishing on the St. Croix River, alone with one's thoughts. Alone, with nature.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 30, 2013 12:53:54   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I think this is the response of a bitter person, did you fail high school biology or something?

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Valedictorian, sorry. Bitter doesn't begin to tell the story. But my grandfather's incessant preaching is the basis of my bitterness, which you don't have to worry about.

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Dec 30, 2013 12:57:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Tasine wrote:
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Valedictorian, sorry. Bitter doesn't begin to tell the story. But my grandfather's incessant preaching is the basis of my bitterness, which you don't have to worry about.


Valedictorian, huh? :thumbup:

I am not surprised, Tasine. :wink:

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Dec 30, 2013 13:06:24   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
slatten49 wrote:
Valedictorian, huh? :thumbup:

I am not surprised, Tasine. :wink:


I wuz numunated for salutatootatorian, but theyy sed my math skils kneeded werk.

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Dec 30, 2013 13:12:33   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
slatten49 wrote:
Your post reads like reasonable understanding brought on by the tranquil, peaceful setting of fishing on the St. Croix River, alone with one's thoughts. Alone, with nature.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Perhaps :-)

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Dec 30, 2013 13:16:23   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
slatten49 wrote:
Valedictorian, huh? :thumbup:

I am not surprised, Tasine. :wink:


Thanks. You seem like a good guy, slatten. I hope I'm right about that.

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Dec 30, 2013 13:19:44   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
banjojack wrote:
Then, what is the answer? This is the fun part. There oughtta be a correspondence course: Cosmological speculation and wild assed guesses for fun and profit! Amaze Your Friends! Bemuse Your Enemies! Organized religion is nothing more than an attempt to reduce the unfathomable to the understandable, too frequently with less than altruistic motives. The sincere and the charlatan, all mixed in together.


I agree: "What is the answer?" We - the human species - will never know. In the meantime, it gives some people comfort to believe in the supernatural.

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