bdamage Loc: My Bunker

Disturb me?

On the contrary. You amuse me.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

PeterS, I PM'd you some time ago, and have yet to notice your reading it. Check 'private messages' at the top of the OPP page. Thank you.

PeterS

Huh? Science is based on Scientific Method which sometimes employs mathematics. Scientific method and mathematics aren't mutually inclusive if that is what you are trying to say...

PeterS

Sorry, I've been in the hospital and haven't been able to keep up with things here. Thank you for your kind words, I wasn't ignoring you on purpose...

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Understood. I hope you have recovered, or, are in the latter stages of recovery. I wish you well. :thumbup:

Take care.

PeterS

Paganism centers around the worship of multiple gods (Polytheism) and does not center around self--at least no more than the worship of a singular god--and just why is worshiping one god better than worshiping multiple gods? Where did you show this is a better religious model?



Careful, you sound down right socialistic! And just why do you need a god to behave in an unselfish and cooperative manor? Joel Osteen worships a single god and is both greedy and selfish, plus teaches us to be the same, so the model you are preaching seems very flawed indeed...

PeterS

Aren't you guilty of the same? You worship a god that, other than faith, you have no means of knowing if it actually exists and you chide others for not doing the same. I would say your mind is as closed as one can get...

PeterS

Thanks, trying to stay awake is the biggest challange now...

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Alicia, It is both. Your religious leaders can give you insight on how to worship G-d. They can also inform you what G-d expects of you. The ways that you respond are personal. I think that all intelligent people will also come up with insights of their own.

larry

I never wrote anything to try to save you, I only write to give you an alternative to what you obviously believe in. What ever that is. Your attitude of selfish pleasure only for yourself is the attitude that I deride. We humans should have a better purpose in life than just pleasing ourselves. If that were our only purpose, we would be fools to have children. Children are to be given a chance to improve our civilization by being taught the benefits of concern and love for others. If we fail in teaching that, we are doomed to a gross evil and destructive society.

If everyone only thought about themselves in their life, there would be no society. Fortunately most people are interested in improving it rather than just making time for ourselves in it. Selfishness is a one way street, that produces nothing for others striving to live in peace. It is the selfish that become crooks, murderers, thieves, and dictators. A peaceful society requires that we extend ourselves for good purposes. If anyone is intent on only taking what they can get without any urge to give to others, we will find ourselves in a continuous war of contention.

It is with compassion and concern for others that makes our life worth while. I am sure you feel these emotional issues, but you seem to want to deride them by denying that as part of our created nature. Love is everywhere, even animals have love, and do not seek only self gratification. It is love that make the world go around, not h**e. H**e stops the pursuit of happiness. and the freedom of self expression.

It is easier to h**e than to love in the face of misunderstanding. But, expressing love is always more peaceful than expressing h**e. However, since I believe we all have a creator given free will so that we may choose life or death by the things we do for others. What good are we if we just cause turmoil and distress. We have the capacity for either one. Spreading joy and peace is much more enlightening than the alternative. It is easy to deny someone a pleasure, but difficult to assist them without love.

We can live only for ourselves, or we can live to give of ourselves. It is far knobler for us to spread the words of hope than for us to spread words of doom. If all we have to believe in is extinction, why bother with anything. The things we do just for ourselves, is contrary to nature. Even the trees which seem to be doing nothing but enjoying growth, are refining the air we breath and giving to all living things sustenance as part of their created nature. Selfishness is barely visible in the planet. All things have a gift to the completeness of this life.

larry

There is a big difference in the philosophy of socialism and Christian Religion, Socialism is share by force, and Christianity is sharing by love. You do not need a god to believe in unselfish and cooperative behavior, you just need to recognize that you are not your own god. The recognition that you did not create yourself, is enough, because it will eventually lead you to seek your purpose in life. Once you start that path, you will find you need God to understand yourself. Without God to define good and evil, evil will triumph. There needs to be a recognized moral authority or morality is non existent. Without an unchallengeable moral standard, chaos reigns supreme.

Don't be fooled by the attempt to introduce multiple gods into a religion as the basic tenant of it. Basically paganism is fluid enough to invent a deity to suite a selfish purpose. A god of war, as god of sex, a god of greed, a god of h**e, a god of weather. All with the express purpose of trying to fit the multitude of selfish desires into a focal point. Believing that each god must be specialized. It is the desire to selfishly attract that attribute to the worshipper.

larry

Within all of us is the knowledge of God, it is part of our creation. If you were able to explain yourself and this creation without the supernatural, you would have a point, but the evidence of design and order are prevalent, indicating a designer. That designer we register as God. When seeking a first cause for everything, as soon as we come across unexplainable and inexplicable events, we by our created nature acknowledge the source. Fortunately, we have historical human encounters that have been recorded as the demonstrated power of that source.

Now you can believe the records of honest humans or you can deny them. Denial however requires at least as much evidence against the event as there is for it. Since there are no evidentiary denials of them we have to use them as t***h. If you have proof of unt***h, of course trot it out and we will take a look at it.

I am a seeker of t***h. There is more evidence for God than against God. At this point, no one has shown any evidence that God does not exist.

larry

A personal experience, should classify as t***h. What do you have to report to the skeptics. Please enlighten.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Athiests look for proof of G-d in all the wrong places. One must first look for G-d from within. Then it becomes evident that G-d exists. Some people believe that G-d exists, but does not interfere in humanity. I think that a G-d that can create a complicated universe including all natural law is certainly capable of having a relationship with people.

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