rich278

Look back in your history George W. lost the popular v**e to Al Gore and was awarded the presidency by a Republican Supreme court. That makes you losing 5 of the last 6 e******ns.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Don't read well? Popular means little, E*******l
v**es carry the day with 271 to 266 in favor of Bush. So being real your off by one.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You have made my day. I could have not said it better. Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS and GOD BLESS.

Homestead

And Merry Christmas to you and a Happy New Year, may the Lord bless you and your family for this coming year.

kattmanduu

Oh no, not at all. The point being is that all of those things we have now are from those lines of the Constitution you copied and pasted into your post.
It seems that you have failed to read many of them as well.
It is the duty of the government to look out for our security, safety and welfare in doing so they make regulations and enforcing agencies that try to do that as required per the Constitution. So you can stop with all this less regulation junk. We have over 300 million people spread out over 5 times the amount of land we had in 1776, so we can't get by on that initial amount of regulation and government involvement.

Unless you are living in a 17th century time vacuum, many things have changed, the population is much larger, and the nation in general, industry and most technology has advanced and continues to do so on a daily basis, (despite what some folks say is against their religion) so too must the means or methods of regulation change and advance along with the bodies they were set up within to protect the people.

If you think we can get by the laws and regulations from the 1800's let's do it. You better take a close look at the laws that governed corporations in the 1830/40's time frame and see if you parent corporation would like to live by them. I bet not.
Let's do away with the DOT and see if you can pave your own bloody roads. That too I bet you are not able to deal with along with ensuring your food is safe to eat. the air is safe to breath, and the water is clean enough to drink. If you can you have way too much free time and should get a real job to support your home farm, education, sewer, and road construction business's. How is that process of dumping your raw sewage into your drinking water supply that runs down from that open pit coal mine working out for you? All that mercury and bacteria are just so good for you, you can see it in your children's eye.

Don't forget to get home and teach your kids those reading, science, and math classes because we have eliminated the department of education as you requested, so you can educate them yourself now. Oh that's right, they don't really need to know those things anyway, they might make your kids smarter than you are so they might get a better paying job than you have. They can learn to count by counting all the teeth left in the mouths of all the family members, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 yup that's all. Better be careful now, the mining company is importing Chinese workers next month, because the labor laws have been done away with too as you wanted, you will have to get a job working in the laundry 20 hours a week washing their work uniforms, hope you can feed your 7 kids on $7.25 an hour.

I know it seems that I am making light of what you are saying, but that could very well be what we end up with without some real regulation of all the many different industries we have and proper management of our water supply and other resources, all requiring government oversight because the regular citizen is too busy watching the dumb ducks or somebody thinks they have talent shows and being generally entertained and distracted by the movies, video games and the TV to even know what to do to fix the problems they let get out of hand with their ignorance and arrogance.

There are certain ways for them to make modifications or changes to the Constitution and they cannot do so by just passing some bill ginned up in the back room somewhere, like the patriot act was.

It is the job of our "do nothing" congress to raise taxes/revenues and to write a budget, and spend the revenue, per the Constitution but they can't seem to do that, so they leave it up to another branch to do. So then you blame the president for doing his own job and the job of the congress as well who for the most part just sign off on what ever budget and tax legislation that the president presents.

You did a very good job of presenting the utopian version of what our government is supposed to look like and how they should perform their duties. But it seems that what is really happening in Wash DC and what Faux Snuz , CNN or MSNBC says is happening are very different things.

You are right to some degree about how bias the media has become, all of them are not doing their jobs, they no longer are being the people's watchdogs that report what the government is doing or not doing for the people they are there to serve. The media outlets are in it for the ratings, money and prestige or image, nothing more. It's not about what is right or wrong, it's all about the profit margins now.

Jefferson was very right, we do need a revolution of sorts every 10 years or so just to keep most of the citizens involved in their government. I don't think they meant for us to have a shooting type revolt except as a last resort, to unseat a government that has become a total tyrant.

Neither of these 2 massively corrupted political gangs we call democrats and republicans are the answer to our problems, for the most part I will say that political partisanship has been the downfall of our nation. The 1 party system has never really worked out to well for the citizens of any nation. You need only to look back at old Russia and then the USSR that was the product of that failed Jewish (dictatorship) state for an example. It seems they just jumped out of the pan into the fire there. How is your walking on hot coals training going?

This is what you end up with when the media and the government officials have dinner together, they usually end up in bed together, someone is going to work (twerk) for their meal, some how. One party is paying for dinner and the show, the other party is going to fix them breakfast in bed the next morning. But when all is said and done in the morning it is "We the People' who end up getting screwed.

I do hope you are reading my posts here completely, and getting the gist of my message. I do not support either party so do not try to lump me into either side of your left-right divide. What we really need in our senate and house are about 19 more truly independent senators and about 170 truly independent members of the house. That would make them get the job done for "We the People". We need to get all of the judges off the bench of the highest courts and start fresh with real followers of our US Constitution that do not have any political party affiliations. OK enough said for now, I willl let you chew of this for a while. By the way, I love the debate here.

kattmanduu

Moose, the jewish state is not a real friend of America. They k**led over 35 of our people in 4 hours of constant attacks on the USS Liberty in 1967 and they were not admonished for it, nor did we bomb them or invade their country like we did with Iraq for not doing anything at all to us. Iraq had no ties to 911 nor did they have anything to do with it, no evidence has been found that can back any of Faux Snuz's claims of that, nor did they have any WMD but we sent over 5000 American troops to their death there all based on the brazen lies told by your daddy W Bush and his gang of &*(#@ thugs and scum of the universe you love so much. Your Liar-in-chief Bush is the real criminal and you kiss his butt for it. What hypocrisy, the murderer calling the thief a bad person. Yup we have had the lunatics running the asylum now for the last 45 years at least.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Kattmanduu, please hit "quote reply" below the posts you choose responding to with your reply. Oftentimes, we have no idea of the comments to which you are referring.

Most everyone on the OPP goes throught the same learning process. Thank you! :mrgreen:

Homestead

First off, if a nation is run off 10% of 100 million, then that's what it takes to run the country.
If that nation grows to 200 million and is run on 10% that is still more money and is in proportion to the size of the country.
The same goes for 10% of a 100 trillion dollar country.


What you want to say is that a 100 million dollar country can be run on 10%, but,
a 200 million country has to be run on 20%.
Then what? A 300 million dollar country is run on 30%.
Where are you going? does a 1 trillion dollar country have to run on a 1 1/2 trillion??

Guess what.......We're there and it is not sustainable and utterly unneeded.

More Academic Evidence that Bigger Government Means Less Prosperity http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/danieljmitchell/2013/10/12/more-academic-evidence-that-bigger-government-means-less-prosperity-n1721976/page/full
The Rahn Curve and the Growth-Maximizing Level of Government http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj6lRFXC5rA#t=316
Lew’s Testimony on Debt Mirrors SEC's Definition of Ponzi Scheme
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/terence-p-jeffrey/lew-s-testimony-debt-mirrors-secs-definition-ponzi-scheme

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You have not read the Federalist Papers at all. All the things you mention about the growth of the country were discussed and dealt with at the time this country was formed. There are more documents to this country than just the Constitution. The Federalist Papers can be thought of as the instruction manual to the Constitution.

Don't blame the bike manufacturer, when you can't put the bike together, because, you threw away the instructions.

_____________________________

A hammer is a hammer.
You can build your home wit it, or bash someone’s head in with it. If someone starts an organized crime cartel, getting people to cooperate by basing in their heads with a hammer, don't blame the hammer. Deal with the peoples behaviour and why they behave that way.

You don't like Corporations? Then maybe you should take the time to figure out when they got out of control and why?

Because an unusual amount of capital
was required to build and operate factories, by the 1820s
corporations had begun to replace individuals and limited
partnerships as the primary mechanism of business ownership.
In part these developments grew out of legal changes
that made incorporation more attractive. States changed
their incorporation laws so that the simple payment of a
fee, rather than a special act of the state legislature, sufficed
to create a corporation. State court decisions, such as
Vose v. Grant
(Massachusetts, 1818) and
Spear v. Grant
(Massachusetts, 1819), established the precept of limited
liability, which protected stockholders from financial ruin
if a business enterprise failed. The Supreme Court’s ruling
in
Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward
(1819)
guaranteed the inviolability of a corporation’s charter.
http://www.gale.cengage.com/pdf/whitepapers/gdc/Corporations_whtppr.pdf

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The federal government taking over the education system is what destroyed the education of our youth and by design. Don't believe it? Start reading your history!

The Rothschild’s Manifesto 1840
http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/new_world_order/news.php?q=1206725198

C*******t Rules for Revolution 1919, 84 Years later we're there
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/1919documents.html

C*******t Goals (1963)
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/c*******m/comgoals.htm

The Cloward-Piven Strategy
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html

Yuri Bezmenov (former kgb) Psychological Warfare Subversion & Control of Western Society - Complete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZnkULuWFDg

Soviet Subversion of the Free World Press, 1984 - Complete
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnf0I2dQ0i0

The C*******t Conspiracy to Change America
http://www.free2pray.info/c*******m.html
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I try to read posts in their entirety. But, it's painful, your all over the map and worst off, you don't seem to know that. You have a lot of complaints, most of them driven by emotion, not reason. You have some facts but they're disjointed and out of place. You make a lot of assumptions, that just don't have any place in reality.

You don't like the political parties, yet don't understand that our country was based on the precinct, as explained in the links below. All we have to do, as citizens, to get out from under the iron grip of the parties is to use the precincts they way they were designed. We haven't done it because as a nation we got lazy and times haven't got tough enough for us to get off our asses yet.

The "True Business of the Precincts" Part 1
http://www.unitedprecinctsofamerica.org/content/true-business-precincts-part-1

The "True Business of the Precincts" Part 2
http://www.unitedprecinctsofamerica.org/content/true-business-precincts-part-2

Welcome to United Precincts of America!
Are you ready to accept the challenge and be American?
The U.S. Constitution is irrelevant without the means of enforcement. The means of enforcement is the Precinct Strategy... the True Business of the Precincts. The Enforcer..? We the People! ― Phil Glass
http://www.unitedprecinctsofamerica.org/

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Our country i

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

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jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Our country isn't "slipping into hell" but my computer certainly is slipping around! America is as beautiful as it ever was if you look at the positives. If you look at the negatives, it's as ugly a situation as it ever was. Don't go too extreme in viewpoint--not good for your health and not good for American politics.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

What a bunch of just plain bullsh*t! Try laying off the porn, and do some real research with that computer, so you don't sound so ignorant.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

I'm again, reminded, of the Will Rogers (?) quote:

"Things ain't what they used to be....and never was!" :wink:

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Do you mean I have to leave my nice middle class friendly neighborhood here in Green Bay and go back to your "homestead"? Really? I thought the past two hundred years we progressed to this point but you're telling me I have to go back to Andrew Jackson's interpretation of what's allowed? Isn't it a bit extreme to go back to the 1830s?

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Speaking of health, healthcare is going to hell and already has for millions but that is such a small price to pay. When will enough be enough, when it's your health care that goes down the toilet?