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Dec 25, 2013 11:59:04   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Come e******n time this will be played over and over and the fool democrats have nowhere to run nowhere to hide.

People like Rich would v**e for the devil if he happens to be democrat.


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" If you like your plan you can keep it , period " Barack Obama .
" If you like your doctor you can keep it , period " Barack Obama .

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Dec 25, 2013 12:12:48   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
rich278 wrote:
Moose Your hero Darrel Issa has brought many phoney charges against President Obama, but none amounted to anything but BS. Issa is just as phoney as all his charges, don't forget he is one of you.


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Dec 25, 2013 12:17:17   #
Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan
 
Homestead wrote:
To go hand in hand means that there has to be a basic understanding just like our forefathers had.
They agreed that the purpose of government was to protect peoples rights and one of the most important rights were property rights.
That means, that government cannot redistribute wealth.
The government can't spend more than it takes in.
The government has to do what the people tells it to do, not, the people do what the government tells them to do.
The government has no authority to print money. It was given the responsibility to stamp coins, so that the value of the money was in the metal the coin was made out of. Therefore there was no way of devaluing the American money supply.

What that means is that ObamaCare has to go bye bye.
That means no unemployment extensions.
That means no Federal Reserve.

The problems we have are because people got away from the Constitution. If everyone agreed to get back to the Constitution 80% of these problems would disappear.

The funny thing is that, even though, the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, we have a significant number of people in this country that don't believe in it.

When people refuse to except the common ground that has been established for over two hundred years, just what are they going to gather around on.
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Dec 25, 2013 12:17:19   #
OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!
 
rich278 wrote:
Moose Your hero Darrel Issa has brought many phoney charges against President Obama, but none amounted to anything but BS. Issa is just as phoney as all his charges, don't forget he is one of you.


A little early to call them phoney...aren't we? Remember how long it took Watergate to wrap up? I didn't think so.

A lot wishful thinking on you libtards...we'll see how it all turns out.

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Dec 25, 2013 12:32:22   #
Not-a-RINO Loc: Michigan
 
bmac32 wrote:
Come e******n time this will be played over and over and the fool democrats have nowhere to run nowhere to hide.

People like Rich would v**e for the devil if he happens to be democrat.


I have basically said the same thing many times: Some people would v**e for Obama even if it was proven beyond any doubt he was Satan in the flesh. History will show the ONLY good that will come out of his tenure in the White House is he will serve as a bad example of what a president should be like.

Additionally, if there was a American Citizen's Test given before a person was allowed to v**e, Obama would have never made it. Some of you have read this before, but many of the questions could be:

1. How many states are there?
2. What colors are on the American f**g?
3. What is the capitol of the United States?
4. Independence Day is celebrated on what day?
5. Who was the first president of the United States?
6. How many stars are on the American f**g?
7. Who is the current Vice President?
8. How many branches of government are there?
9. Who was the President during the Civil War?
10. How many colonies banded together to form the United States?

Sadly, I would guess about 25% of the e*****rate would not qualify to v**e and I would say at least 98% of them would v**e Democrat.

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Dec 25, 2013 13:35:27   #
Homestead
 
rich278 wrote:
Homestead, You want to turn the clock backwards, you forgot Medicare. If you want to live in 19th century mover to Afganistan, then you wouldn't have to try to change so much. Millions of people in the US happen to like our standard of living.


Your stupidity is only out-shown by your ignorance.

What your bragging about is bankrupting the country and will bring the country to an ass screeching halt when it collapses under the weight of it's debt. Watch the links at the end of this post to wake yourself up.

Our forefathers were familiar with debt. They had to fight for their freedom with borrowed money. The first crises this country faced, was paying it's bills and paying back the debt it owed.

The reason people are on Medicare, Medicaid, disability and social security is because companies have been put out of business. Jobs, careers, opportunities and peoples futures have been destroyed.

If people can make their own livings they don't need a government handout, because they can pay for what they need themselves.

It takes a Democrat like you, to think that allowing people to be prosperous, and financially independent, is a step backwards.


More Academic Evidence that Bigger Government Means Less Prosperity http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/danieljmitchell/2013/10/12/more-academic-evidence-that-bigger-government-means-less-prosperity-n1721976/page/full

The Rahn Curve and the Growth-Maximizing Level of Government http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj6lRFXC5rA#t=316

Lew’s Testimony on Debt Mirrors SEC's Definition of Ponzi Scheme
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/terence-p-jeffrey/lew-s-testimony-debt-mirrors-secs-definition-ponzi-scheme

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Dec 25, 2013 14:21:44   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
rich278 wrote:
Homestead, You want to turn the clock backwards, you forgot Medicare. If you want to live in 19th century mover to Afganistan, then you wouldn't have to try to change so much. Millions of people in the US happen to like our standard of living.

homestead hit the nail right on the point on top of every liberal's head. what part of 'i***t v**e' do you not understand?? of course many people enjoy our standard of living....they're not payin` for it!!! proofread your rants from now on!!!

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Dec 25, 2013 14:40:27   #
cowkawk
 
To bad rich will be one of them people begging for our help because he could not pull his head up out of the sand and open his eye's too bad for rich.

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Dec 25, 2013 16:09:13   #
kattmanduu
 
When you say "We the People" are you referring to the human being type of people, or the paper people of the corporate world as the supreme court did in their citizens united ruling?
I think we need a petition to force the legislature to clarify just what a real "people" is. Also change the laws concerning political campaign donations that make all who contribute to any party or candidate show proof of US citizenship, be registered to v**e, and show the source of the money they want to donate, and it must be counted as taxable income on their US tax returns. That would take all foreign interests out of the picture and get corrupted, illegal/criminally acquired funds out as well. If these folks that are so worried about college students, i******s and old folks v****g they will have to support all the rest or stop gerrymandering districts and limiting access to the v**e to real Americans.
We need to insure all these "paper people" show all proper citizenship documents AKA proper ID and a birth certificate before they can have a say in our e******n process or v**e. They must have an address in this country and reside at that address, and get 1 v**e in 1 district/precinct just like they demand of us real people when we v**e or even r******r to v**e. Haliburton's home office is off shore to avoid our tax laws so they are not citizens. That applies to BP as well. Israel is not part of America or subject to our laws so they can stay out of our business and our e******n process, that includes any of their supporters here that are a very small minority at best. If they want to be so loyal to israel they can just move there, or STFU about it already.

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Dec 25, 2013 16:41:10   #
moose
 
If you have to show proper identification in America, the democrats call you a r****t.There is no worst party as r****ts as the Democratic party.but they shove the blame on Republicans through the vermin in the Liberal media.When is the last time you heard of a United States President suing the State of Arizona for wanting to stop certain people for identification purposies.They did it in other states and it stopped a lot of k*****g's and robberies. The Left wing dems just dont get it. I really think all the dems have turned into socialists.We already know Obama is one. His father was born in Indonesia.So how in the hell is he in office.Period. Obamacare is a disaster for this country and not one Republican had anything to do with it. It was done around this time in 2009 in the wee hrs by none other than Nancy Pelosi and Harry the snake Reid.Obama makes Slick Willie look like a choir boy when it comes to lying. Every word out of this dictator's mouth is a lie and it hurts America. Obama should be held accountable for B******i and so should Hillary Carpetbaggar Clinton. Obama is not a friend to the Jewish State, but the Jewish People keep v****g for him. It's beyond me why they do this.Wake up America,before Obama drones you in your sleep.

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Dec 25, 2013 17:02:15   #
Homestead
 
kattmanduu wrote:
When you say "We the People" are you referring to the human being type of people, or the paper people of the corporate world as the supreme court did in their citizens united ruling?
I think we need a petition to force the legislature to clarify just what a real "people" is. Also change the laws concerning political campaign donations that make all who contribute to any party or candidate show proof of US citizenship, be registered to v**e, and show the source of the money they want to donate, and it must be counted as taxable income on their US tax returns. That would take all foreign interests out of the picture and get corrupted, illegal/criminally acquired funds out as well. If these folks that are so worried about college students, i******s and old folks v****g they will have to support all the rest or stop gerrymandering districts and limiting access to the v**e to real Americans.
We need to insure all these "paper people" show all proper citizenship documents AKA proper ID and a birth certificate before they can have a say in our e******n process or v**e. They must have an address in this country and reside at that address, and get 1 v**e in 1 district/precinct just like they demand of us real people when we v**e or even r******r to v**e. Haliburton's home office is off shore to avoid our tax laws so they are not citizens. That applies to BP as well. Israel is not part of America or subject to our laws so they can stay out of our business and our e******n process, that includes any of their supporters here that are a very small minority at best. If they want to be so loyal to israel they can just move there, or STFU about it already.
When you say "We the People" are you ref... (show quote)



"When you say "We the People" are you referring to the human being type of people, or the paper people of the corporate world as the supreme court did in their citizens united ruling?"

It means, US legal citizens of course.
Why do you ask?
Do you think it means something else?
If you do, you have been misguided.

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Dec 25, 2013 18:17:30   #
kattmanduu
 
How many know the American f**g has stars and stripes, not stars and bars?

How many know that US citizens are of all races and religions?

How many know that the government cannot support religion per the 1st amendment? That means it cannot mandate the beliefs of any religion on all. Or that it cannot define what is a deity or a belief, that choice is up to the individual.

How many know that the people are human beings, not corporations that exist only on paper, bought and sold or k**led off by their owners at will.

How many know that we have freedom of choice? Our own choices not those that others decide or pick for us to choose from.

How many know that their freedoms and liberties come with an equal amount of responsibilities?

You want everyone to take a test, so be it, let's test your knowledge of the Constitution and how it defines the rolls of the citizens and those of the government officials. The duties of each branch of government. The oath of office each official takes, and just how serious they take what it says in their oath. How the members of our military are punished for their violations of their oath of office, and our elected/appointed officials just laugh in our faces as they violate the most important parts of their oath.

A smaller government would be great for a smaller country, but when you are as big as we are and far reaching as we have become it requires more control and regulation to maintain such a vast and diverse nation with such a diverse population and multifaceted industry and society and vast amount of real estate to protect. A small government was fine for 13 states and less than a million people and less than a third of the land mass we have now. The city government of Dallas Tx is bigger than our original national government.
If people and or the corporations and business's would not pollute the environment we wouldn't need the EPA. If industry would always make safe products such as devices, food and medications we wouldn't need any product safety regulations. If everyone would respect the rights of others we wouldn't need any laws protecting certain groups or persons.
The bigger we become the more rules and regulations we need.

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Dec 25, 2013 18:33:59   #
kattmanduu
 
Well buddy, I think I explained that in my comments, need you ask why?
It seems that the supreme court judges appointed by republicans say differently as to what a "people" is and who gets special access to our e******n process with their big money, above and beyond what the real people get.
You fuss and complain about your rights being taken away while you support the patriot act that took away those rights. Sounds like a case of Stockholm syndrome too me.

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Dec 25, 2013 18:57:18   #
Homestead
 
kattmanduu wrote:
How many know the American f**g has stars and stripes, not stars and bars?

How many know that US citizens are of all races and religions?

How many know that the government cannot support religion per the 1st amendment? That means it cannot mandate the beliefs of any religion on all. Or that it cannot define what is a deity or a belief, that choice is up to the individual.

How many know that the people are human beings, not corporations that exist only on paper, bought and sold or k**led off by their owners at will.

How many know that we have freedom of choice? Our own choices not those that others decide or pick for us to choose from.

How many know that their freedoms and liberties come with an equal amount of responsibilities?

You want everyone to take a test, so be it, let's test your knowledge of the Constitution and how it defines the rolls of the citizens and those of the government officials. The duties of each branch of government. The oath of office each official takes, and just how serious they take what it says in their oath. How the members of our military are punished for their violations of their oath of office, and our elected/appointed officials just laugh in our faces as they violate the most important parts of their oath.

A smaller government would be great for a smaller country, but when you are as big as we are and far reaching as we have become it requires more control and regulation to maintain such a vast and diverse nation with such a diverse population and multifaceted industry and society and vast amount of real estate to protect. A small government was fine for 13 states and less than a million people and less than a third of the land mass we have now. The city government of Dallas Tx is bigger than our original national government.
If people and or the corporations and business's would not pollute the environment we wouldn't need the EPA. If industry would always make safe products such as devices, food and medications we wouldn't need any product safety regulations. If everyone would respect the rights of others we wouldn't need any laws protecting certain groups or persons.
The bigger we become the more rules and regulations we need.
How many know the American f**g has stars and stri... (show quote)


The point is that we do not need a big government.
The federal government was given these enumerated powers, that's it. Though some of these were added after the original signing.
The founders gave the federal government right to

Many, but not all, powers of Congress are contained in Article I, Section 8. The full list, including the law-making powers follows:
*Levy Taxes
*Borrow money on the credit of the United States.
*Spend when authorized by an approriations bill
*Pay the Federal debt
*Constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court
*Declare War
*Raise armies, a navy, and provide for the common defense
*Introduce constitutional amendments and choose the mode of ratification
*Call a Constitutional Convention on the application of two-thirds of the States
*Regulate interstate and foreign commerce.
*Coin Money
*Standardize the value of currency
*Regulate copyrights and patents
*Establish federal courts lower than the Supreme Court.
*Limit the appellate jurisdiction of the Federal Courts including the Supreme Court.
*Standardize weights and measures.
*Establish uniform times for e******ns.
*Control the Postal System
*Establish laws governing citizenship
*Make its own rules and discipline its own members .
*Provide for the punishment of counterfeiting, piracy, treason and other Federal Crimes.
*Exercise exclusive jurisdiction over the District of Columbia
*Establish Bankruptcy laws
*Override p**********l vetoes.
*Oversee all Federal property and possesions
*Fill a vacancy in the presidency in cases of death or inability
* Receive and count e*******l v**es for the Presidency
*Keep and publish a journal of its proceedings
*Conduct a census every ten years.
*Approve treaties, cabinet level appointments, and appointments to the Supreme Court (Senate only).
*Impeach (House only) and try (Senate only) federal officers.
*Initiate all bills for raising revenue (House only).

All other responsibilities was retained for the state or the people themselves, as determined by each states constitution.


Constitution of Massachusetts, as written by John Adams 1780

PREAMBLE:

Art. V.
All power residing originally in the people, and being derived from them, the several magistrates and officers of government vested with authority, whether legislative, executive, or judicial, are the substitutes and agents, and are at all times accountable to them.


The federal government has the right to raise armies, a navy, and provide for the common defence. That would be done in proportion to the size of the country.


You assume that because the progressive socialist liberals have swollen the federal government, that it absolutely had to be done and that it can't be undone.
Or that swelling the government was the only option and that swelling the federal government has worked.

Your wrong on all counts.

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Dec 25, 2013 19:30:40   #
Homestead
 
kattmanduu wrote:
Well buddy, I think I explained that in my comments, need you ask why?
It seems that the supreme court judges appointed by republicans say differently as to what a "people" is and who gets special access to our e******n process with their big money, above and beyond what the real people get.
You fuss and complain about your rights being taken away while you support the patriot act that took away those rights. Sounds like a case of Stockholm syndrome too me.


Really....... Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Elena Kagan. are republican favorites?????????

I suppose it was the Republicans that got a hold of Roberts, to change his v**e in favour of ObamaCare.

James Madison wrote in the federalist papers, that it is not, that the legislation shall be above the Supreme Court or that the Supreme court shall be above the legislators, but, that the Constitution shall be above them both!

The federalist papers, said that the supreme Court shall have neither force(Executive branch) nor will(Legislative branch), but, judgement only.

To pass ObamaCare Roberts had to rewrite the ObamCare Law to make it a tax, so he could except it as that.

That is not the law that was written.

If it is a tax then according to the Constitution the law had to start in the house of representatives, it did not.
Harry Reid took a military housing bill and stripped it of everything and substituted the ObamaCare language and then deemed it passed by the House. He claimed he could do that because ObamaCare was not a tax, it was a fine.
If it was a fine then ObamaCare is unconstitutional.
If it is a tax then it has to originate in the House of Representatives or it is unconstitutional.
By exercising authority specifically denied to the supreme court, Roberts made a constitutional mess out of a constitutional disaster.

Don't get me started on the patriot act.
Obama was one of the biggest critics of it and so were the damn Democrats.
You show me where they lifted a single finger to get rid of it.
In fact all they've done is strengthen and enhance it.

Get your your head out of your butt and stop being an ignorant hypocrite.

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