The forum I am talking about was pretty conservative in membership but had a number of very liberal mods on it and they often were sicced on me by libs who needed help. The last time they got me a group of 4 women had ganged up on me and finally I got a message that said I was gone with the one word, forever. I always argued with the head people but this time they had it so I couldn't even read let alone write. It has been more than a year and the last time I tried I got the same message.

I had never been banned "forever" although those libs did get me for 30 days once, I am sure they thought I would leave them alone but they didn't keep me from reading. I still have people reporting some things libs are doing there now and then.

Hey Vernon!

I do pay attention and agree that although she probably thought it was a good idea at the time, in retrospect it would be a lot better if they had been involved. Again, I'm all for both sides cooperating. I admit that what you probably pick up from what I write is my greater disappointment in the GOP denying reform was needed and continually obstructing any reform as opposed to participating. This should've been their opportunity just as they did with welfare reform into TANF from the contract with America. Somehow they let Bill Clinton take all the credit with that and with healthcare reform they missed seizing the moment with Romneycare when Hillary Clinton was running and was proposing a single-payer government take-over. Obama and Pelosi ripped off a Romneycare idea with insurer and pharmaceutical endorsements while the GOP complained it wouldn't work. It's been one bad strategy after the next for the GOP and I'm disappointed in their lack of political savvy. Their next big miss was the 2012 e******n, then the scotus ruling both of which should've been a opportunity to start anew with fresh ideas. Then when obamacare is rolled out, they make the big budget shutdown the focus and a few weeks ago, Boehner publically vents at the Tea Party. 2013 has been a lost year for them with no fresh ideas or victories except to maintain the base conservatives with obamacare criticism. How long is that going to last? I guess we'll see. Maybe momentum will pick up on obamacare negativity but I can't imagine main street agreeing with a repeal.

I think it is an opportunity for a GOP strategy: Admit it is the law and propose a consumer bill of rights to tweak it and declare a victory.

Anyhow, that's what I think is a practical strategy but it will never fly with so many GOP on record stating their purpose is to repeal Obamacare. I think they'd rather just play the repeal card hoping for it's failure. However, the risk is too high. If Obamacare has a 50% main street approval going into the fall e******n, it will just embolden the libs and libs will forget the lesson they learned from government attempting to run the website with low bid contracts. They should revise Obamacare to allow the website to be sold to a private company - that's the way to ensure it is run efficiently. But the libs are philosophically opposed to a middle man collecting a fee so, that will probably never happen.

Really have to disagree on methodology. This (what you describe) is the reason I never let the Junior guy in my unit run the show,,,, just because he has a "good Idea" about the running of a battalion,,, doesn't mean he has a good idea how to actually get it done,,, OR that the rest of the command has not thought about it,,, and then rejected it. This,,, liberal thing, which they think of and call "fairness" is simply a new edition of "socialism" which has never worked anywhere and never will. Why do we have to "try it" of "Just give Obama a chance" when we know,,, what apparently eluded him,, during his vaunted education??
What most of us, picked up as almost intuitive,, he has to take the country through to prove it to himself,,,, but what is worse,, is that he denies any efforts (claiming of course that he welcomes all ideas) and the repubs HAVE INDEED forwarded ideas,,, which don't make it to the floor for debate,,,, that is not "Working Together" and if they were interested in working together,,, they wouldn't shut off filibuster rules....