jay-are

Sounds good but the enforcers are the government. There are no enforcers above the government officials to enforce justice on them. That is what they have figured out and why they are getting more and more out of control.

Ve'hoe

In the tax code??
I use the rules of the tax code to not overpay my taxes,,, they are legal instances where your taxes are reduced or you can itemize business expenses that they govt determines are not taxable or are taxable at a lower rate. The problem is that you get congressmen like Charlie Rangle who just don't pay taxes and then get away with a sternly worded email,,, while you and I would go to prison,,,,, otherwise a legal withholding rule, is not a loophole,,, kind of like the "Gunshow Loophole" it doesn't exist. If you want to go to a flat tax, no deductions period, I am fine with that,,, only it cant be over 15%

carolyn

Then, since this government is always appointing committees for this and that and everything else, why could we the government not appoint an unbiased committee to oversee the prosecution of these crooks, with the penalty also ret***sferring to them if they are caught trying to tamper with evidence? This is the only way I see that we will ever get honesty back into our government. It has come to the point that to steal as a politician is not a sign of dishonesty, but a sign of sly intelligence.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Our prisons are too full, and since when is it a crime to line your pockets...let's look at how the banking "crisis" lines employees pockets such as Bank of America portfolio managers or CEO's that nearly bankrupt business are paid to go away....

Our Representatives/Governors/Presidents/Tycoons who commit adultery, or use drugs and go to rehab instead prison. Sending people to prison punishes me, not the accused.

The list is endless: why did YOU let this happen

jay-are

why could we the government not appoint an unbiased committee to oversee the prosecution of these crooks?

Two reasons:
1) corruption is so great, and there is so much money involved, that it would be impossible to maintain "unbiased" and even if they were unbiased, there is no way to prove they are unbiased, and so their credibility is questionable at best and non-existent at worst.

2) the lawmakers know that they can get away with corruption, and because they are corrupt, they would never v**e to limit themselves. All the power is in the government. How does an entity not in government get more power than government and authority over government officials?

These two points are the flaw in our constitutional form of Government, and they were acknowledged by the founders when they wrote that this form of government depends on a moral and religious people. Without that, it cannot work.

The only hope and/or solution is to elect moral, honest, ethical, religious people.

Ve'hoe

And,,, most importantly,, they KNOW that we the people are corruptible too..........

jay-are

We are now. It didn't used to be so. As the founders knew, this country will only last as long as the vast majority remain incorruptible. Without an incorruptible populace, nothing will save the great experiment in freedom.

carolyn

The prisons are full, as you say, with company execs. and bank tellers that have been caught lining their pockets. But it is when they are connected directly to the governments, both state and federal, that they suddenly become immune to prosecution. And it is the work of the crooked politician that endorses that immunity.

I'll bet if you ask any prisoner that had to give up a lucrative job and lose their families over a job related crime if they believed the people are punished and not themselves, you would hear some very good advice as to where you could stick your theory.

carolyn

So if we did elect moral, honest, ethical and religious people to our government, then would it be feasible to form a committee such as I said? If this committee took the v**e of the people to prosecute these thieves, there would be a better chance of seeing justice done. In order to see this justice served, we must find a way to have a say in their prosecution and sentencing because their cronies in crime would never do it. A committee that would prosecute and a v**e taken by the people would accomplish far more than the graft that is being perpetrated now, which is exactly nothing.

jay-are

Yes, but if the elected officials were moral, honest, ethical and religious people, they would not need to be prosecuted. Therefore, the committee would not be needed, and since it would not be needed, it would not be created.

And if the committee was needed, it would not be created because of the two reasons already given.

only electing and appointing only moral, honest, ethical and religious people will work. When the v**ers no longer v**e along those lines, the destruction is certain. The only question is how long before total colapse, or will moral, honest, ethical and religious people stage a revolution and retake control?

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

You cannot prosecute the corrupt, if the corrupt are the prosecutors.

carolyn

Where are you going to find people that are this this moral, honest, ethical and religious that will remain that way when they are constantly attempted by the lucrative rewards of the dishonest? It might turn out as the not so completely honest preacher that spied a member pick up money from the church floor. He shouted " I saw what you just gained but I will split with you later" so said the Lord.

Ve'hoe

No,,, is the answer,,, I believe,,, that the process will collapse and fall into partitions,,, wherein the moral and good people will arm up and destroy evil,,, locally in areas that they CAN control,,, eventually we will grow back together,,, and then the process will start all over again,,, kind of like the "Progressive movement,,, it morphed into the N**i's, which morphed into the Islamic-f*****ts,,,, and is coming back around, because we didn't hunt it down and k**l it, and everyone who believed in it...

jay-are

We either find them, change into them, or suffer destruction.

I am one. You know where I am. In the same way don't v**e until you know the one you are v****g for is one.

carolyn

My husband and I p***e ourselves in researching every candidate thoroughly. But most usually if we v**e at all, we have to v**e for the lesser of two or more evils because the RNC and the crook Karl Rove seem to always back the most crooked of the crooked.

jay-are

With all due respect, you are part of the problem.

It is of no value to v**e for an evil. You may be on the winning side of the e******n, but you have v**ed to have your own toes stepped on. It is time you accept the reality that v****g that way doesn't accomplish the goal you are v****g for, so it is a wasted v**e anyway. Unless your v**e results in you getting what you want, you lose.

The correct approach is to find a candidate that will do what you favor, and v**e for that candidate. If there is no such candidate, write in yourself, or someone else, or don't v**e, or work to get "none of the above" put on the b****t. Anything that could lead to you getting what you want. Never v**e for someone you know will not do what you want. It is a waste. In fact it is worse than a wasted v**e, because it encourages those RINOs that they can win with their current strategy, and they keep doing the same thing. The only way to stop them is to stop v****g for them.

Make those RINOs become Democrats if they are not going to v**e conservative. Demand that Republicans give you the opposite choice from Democrats. Don't ever v**e for Republicans if they give you the same choice as Democrats, but just on a smaller scale, or on the basis that Republicans are more honorable.

Like Obamacare, - all Repbulicans should run as being opposed to Obamacare. All Republicans should campaign on repealing or defunding Obamacare. And then they should do it. We already have a party that will keep Obamacare. We don't need Republicans to campaign on keeping Obamacare, but altering it some way.

E******ns should be about making choices, not having no choice except which personality we prefer to run things. The choice should be yes or no, not yes but it will cost $100 with one candidate or yes but it will cost $1000 with the other.

If those are the only choices offered, revolt. Refuse to accept that. Get another candidate that will offer the choice to say no.

Settling for what Party bosses pick out for us needs to be made a thing of the past. It is time for the people to regain control from a few powerful rulers.