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Nov 29, 2013 22:36:06   #
octive9
 
DennisDee wrote:
I oppose it because it was sold on a stack of lies. You cannot insure 30 million uninsured ( 42 Million after amnesty) add expensive options to plans and expect the average family to save $2500. The entire thing was flawed from day one and rushed through by Pelosi-Reid and Obama. I have already experienced a massive hike in premium, deductible and out of pocket costs for 2014.

As far as the Heritage foundation idea. It was included in a house bill and lost. It did not have the v**es. So the GOP opposed it back then too.
I oppose it because it was sold on a stack of lies... (show quote)


Have you looked into all of your options or are you just going by a letter from your insurance company?

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Nov 29, 2013 22:36:45   #
VladimirPee
 
Take away their benefits and pensions and the result will be fewer qualified will want the job. You will end up with worse. My solution is to reduce Senate to 4 years and increase the House from 2 to 4 years. Running for office every 2 years costs too much money and invites for these undesirable campaign contributions.


octive9 wrote:
I agree to a point that there is only one party, and it is run by corporations with big money. If we could take money out of running for office, and not let holding office be a career, we might have a chance. I have heard that the first thing a congressman does when he takes office is start raising money for the next e******n.

I have one idea to take money out, but it would be difficult to get to. When I took a class in real estate I learned that when you buy a piece of property, you are purchasing space from the center of the earth, unless mineral rights have been sold, to infinite space. So when a TV or radio station broadcasts is signal, it is using everyone's air space, and they don't pay rent. In lieu of rent all broadcast media should be required to give fair and equal air time, not in sound byte segments, to all candidates and issues. That, and public appearances should be the only legitimate means to campaign. Fair and Balanced!!! We might even get a chance to see what the candidates are really all about.

Then if we could have some kind of term limits that would get rid of career politicians, and pay them by the hour, take away their pensions and let them participate in Social Security like the rest of us, we might get more reasonable government.
I agree to a point that there is only one party, a... (show quote)

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Nov 29, 2013 22:38:45   #
VladimirPee
 
I have company insurance. We had a choice of 3 Plans this year. Our Human Resources department which normally avoids politics actually blamed ACA on our conference call. 13,000 pissed off people.

octive9 wrote:
Have you looked into all of your options or are you just going by a letter from your insurance company?

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Nov 29, 2013 22:49:21   #
larry
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Because Obama is black and democrat, so anything he touches is poison to them. What if he succeeds? My God, we might elect another black man or, horror, a women!


Now that is the most ignorant statement ever published . It is not the man's skin color or ethnicity, it is his character that is screwed up. He lies so much, that no one can trust what he says. If the system created by whomever the i***ts were that created the AHC were smarter, they would have not tried to change the system all at once. This is a travesty, and a monument to ignorance. If you take all the mandatory parts out of it, it might have some success. But the dictatorial theme of it is anathema.

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Nov 29, 2013 22:52:32   #
octive9
 
DennisDee wrote:
I have company insurance. We had a choice of 3 Plans this year. Our Human Resources department which normally avoids politics actually blamed ACA on our conference call. 13,000 pissed off people.


What are the odds that most of those 13,000 people would contact their representatives and ask for an explanation and some kind of better solution. Under the current political climate I would expect the Republican reps to just blame ACA and say they are fighting to repeal it, but I would like to see if they have any better solutions. I am sure the Democrat reps would have a much different take, and I wonder if they would have any solutions to offer.

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Nov 29, 2013 22:53:14   #
Ricktloml
 
octive9 wrote:
I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there isn't a whole lot of difference between all 3. Granted, I have only see bits and pieces of clips and the bills are thousands of pages. From what I can tell, Hillary care leans toward more government provided care. All 3 are trying to get everyone covered by some sort of healthcare insurance.

As for employers cutting employees to 29 hours, that part is not in effect for about a year, and may never get there. However, I just talked to someone from a small town who said employers are reacting as though it was already here. They are reacting to the fear put out by the media.

As for cancellations, a lot of what I have seen is people getting cancellation notices and freaking out before looking into their options. A few may end up paying more, but health care has been rising at about 15% for a long time. That has already slowed. Many find that they can get better coverage for the same or less money.

I don't know how anyone can say that jobs won't be created because of Obamacare. In fact, if more people are getting healthcare I would expect there to be more jobs in that field.

Of course insurance companies will try to sell coverage for higher prices, and I know the faulty web site has kept people from learning their options. That is being fixed and I think most of those being told that by their insurance companies will be able to find better deals.

The only reasons I can objectively see for the right to be against ACA is political. Either, ideologically they don't care about all or most people being covered, or there is just such political hatred of anything Obama that they are forced to fight instead of just trying to make it work for all.
I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there is... (show quote)


The ADA mandated the insurances companies to no longer offer the plans that their customers wanted and were happy with. Maybe you should be asking why Obama and the Democrats insist on shoving legislation that the majority of Americans never wanted down our throats, a law that was built on lies, in case you didn't notice, if you like your insurance no one is going to take it away from you, period, if you like your doctor you can keep him, your rates will go down $2500 a year, it will be deficit neutral only costing 800 billion, it is 1.3 trillion and rising, absolutely no death panels or rationing, well it's not called a death panel, but the results are the exact same, and there will be rationing. Those of us who didn't fall for the lies the first time around know why Obama and the Democrats are dedicated to keeping the ACA, and that is it was never about health care it was and is about power and control. The Republicans also did have alternatives to a massive government take over of our health care, they were buying insurance across state lines, medical savings accounts, and tort reform, but even if they didn't have any alternatives, there is nothing wrong with saying no to bad legislation, that negatively impacts America, especially when it was implemented by fraud

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Nov 29, 2013 22:56:53   #
VladimirPee
 
ACA made a bad situation worse for most Americans. Will some benefit? Of course they will at the expense of others.


octive9 wrote:
What are the odds that most of those 13,000 people would contact their representatives and ask for an explanation and some kind of better solution. Under the current political climate I would expect the Republican reps to just blame ACA and say they are fighting to repeal it, but I would like to see if they have any better solutions. I am sure the Democrat reps would have a much different take, and I wonder if they would have any solutions to offer.

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Nov 29, 2013 22:59:47   #
octive9
 
larry wrote:
Now that is the most ignorant statement ever published . It is not the man's skin color or ethnicity, it is his character that is screwed up. He lies so much, that no one can trust what he says. If the system created by whomever the i***ts were that created the AHC were smarter, they would have not tried to change the system all at once. This is a travesty, and a monument to ignorance. If you take all the mandatory parts out of it, it might have some success. But the dictatorial theme of it is anathema.
Now that is the most ignorant statement ever publi... (show quote)


Larry, I appreciate your comment about not trying to implement it all at once, but please try to refrain from insults and name calling.

Also, I think it is difficult to not see skin color as a factor. The office of president has never been as disrespected as since Obama took office. He is the first black president, and sometimes it looks to me as though he is to the office as Rosa Parks was to riding the bus.

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Nov 29, 2013 23:03:03   #
healinghawk
 
What isn't sold with lies in a country that neoliberals and their dupes control?

How else do you sell "yay, me, and screw you" but by lies?

Obama is, bottom line, a neoliberal, and the Republican response is political theater designed to dupe people into favoring things that hurt them.

That Obama is black is irrelevant, but the neoliberals have a large segment of the US population barking up the r****t tree while the neoliberals pillage the country, obscured behind that diversion.

Since Reagan was President, neoliberals have t***sformed this planet into Hell, with no future worth living in sight.

The best idea is single payer, so health insurance is no longer a social control strategy, but insurance company money has to get out of the game to do anything that doesn't serve insurance company profits.

Insurance company money also buys a share of the ads and PR campaigns that control the people in the US, just as Edwin Bernays said it would.

It's not good that you have this kind of experience.

Single payer fixes it, but only if the K-street whores can be kept from, once again, buying legislation that suits them by screwing everyone else.

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Nov 29, 2013 23:04:58   #
larry
 
octive9 wrote:
I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there isn't a whole lot of difference between all 3. Granted, I have only see bits and pieces of clips and the bills are thousands of pages. From what I can tell, Hillary care leans toward more government provided care. All 3 are trying to get everyone covered by some sort of healthcare insurance.

As for employers cutting employees to 29 hours, that part is not in effect for about a year, and may never get there. However, I just talked to someone from a small town who said employers are reacting as though it was already here. They are reacting to the fear put out by the media.

As for cancellations, a lot of what I have seen is people getting cancellation notices and freaking out before looking into their options. A few may end up paying more, but health care has been rising at about 15% for a long time. That has already slowed. Many find that they can get better coverage for the same or less money.

I don't know how anyone can say that jobs won't be created because of Obamacare. In fact, if more people are getting healthcare I would expect there to be more jobs in that field.

Of course insurance companies will try to sell coverage for higher prices, and I know the faulty web site has kept people from learning their options. That is being fixed and I think most of those being told that by their insurance companies will be able to find better deals.

The only reasons I can objectively see for the right to be against ACA is political. Either, ideologically they don't care about all or most people being covered, or there is just such political hatred of anything Obama that they are forced to fight instead of just trying to make it work for all.
I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there is... (show quote)


You are sticking your head in the sand, and trying to put icing on a mud pie. This thing was not well thought out for people used to making their own decisions on Health care. The main problem is the nanny-care aspects of it. People do not want to be forced into paying for things they do not think they need. What right does the Government to tell you what kind of care you need in your life. And to make you pay a penalty if you do not want that kind of coverage.

If, this plan had concentrated on reducing the cost of Health care instead of making everyone pay more for it, it might have had a chance. but it will cause the Health Care Industry to make millions of dollars from people that do not need it. If you wanted to be fair about it, you should have figured out how to reduce the cost of health care, not how to pay for increasing costs with no limits. The Health care industry and the Pharmaceutical industry are charging outrageous prices for everything, and getting away with it.

The ACA is a socialistic thrust at ruining the Liberty of choice for individuals. That is why it is not a success and why it is h**ed.

It is also not cost effective for individuals or for Companies that have been providing health care as part of their incentive for hiring qualified individuals. Highly sk**led individuals will not want to apply for positions if they do not have sufficient incentive to do so. Even the Congress and Senate do not want to join the plan, What does that tell you? Is that not an indicator of something faulty?

There only two industries that will profit from this, and they are the Insurance companies, and the Health Care industries. Everyone else will suffer. Good politics should be keyed toward doing the most good for the most people, not doing good for special interests.

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Nov 29, 2013 23:11:16   #
VladimirPee
 
Obama has been treated with far more respect than Bush. I am not talking about talk show hosts on Air America or MSNBC. I am talking about statements made by powerful Democrats about a sitting President. In one instance Harry Reid told a High School group that Bush was a loser. At the Dem Convention Former Vice President Gore said Bush betrayed our nation. I can post for hours. Its all documented.


octive9 wrote:
Larry, I appreciate your comment about not trying to implement it all at once, but please try to refrain from insults and name calling.

Also, I think it is difficult to not see skin color as a factor. The office of president has never been as disrespected as since Obama took office. He is the first black president, and sometimes it looks to me as though he is to the office as Rosa Parks was to riding the bus.

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Nov 29, 2013 23:12:32   #
larry
 
octive9 wrote:
Larry, I appreciate your comment about not trying to implement it all at once, but please try to refrain from insults and name calling.

Also, I think it is difficult to not see skin color as a factor. The office of president has never been as disrespected as since Obama took office. He is the first black president, and sometimes it looks to me as though he is to the office as Rosa Parks was to riding the bus.


I apologize if you thought I was personally insulting you, I was referring only to the theme of the message. The man's skin color did not keep him from getting elected, so why should it make any difference now. It is the Character of the person in the Presidency that matters, He has continually lied about this issue, and has been caught in those lies. You seem to be overly sensitive to skin color. Forget about trying to whip that up into a reason for his mismanagement. It is his colossal ego that needs to be trimmed down. He was elected to be a servant of the people, not a dictator.

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Nov 29, 2013 23:14:42   #
octive9
 
Ricktloml wrote:
The ADA mandated the insurances companies to no longer offer the plans that their customers wanted and were happy with. Maybe you should be asking why Obama and the Democrats insist on shoving legislation that the majority of Americans never wanted down our throats, a law that was built on lies, in case you didn't notice, if you like your insurance no one is going to take it away from you, period, if you like your doctor you can keep him, your rates will go down $2500 a year, it will be deficit neutral only costing 800 billion, it is 1.3 trillion and rising, absolutely no death panels or rationing, well it's not called a death panel, but the results are the exact same, and there will be rationing. Those of us who didn't fall for the lies the first time around know why Obama and the Democrats are dedicated to keeping the ACA, and that is it was never about health care it was and is about power and control. The Republicans also did have alternatives to a massive government take over of our health care, they were buying insurance across state lines, medical savings accounts, and tort reform, but even if they didn't have any alternatives, there is nothing wrong with saying no to bad legislation, that negatively impacts America, especially when it was implemented by fraud
The ADA mandated the insurances companies to no lo... (show quote)


Good, bad or indifferent, ACA is here and probably won't be going away. It would be better if the Ds and Rs could work together to make it better than just fighting each other at our expense.

I think the Dems main intention was to get the 30 or 40 million with no insurance covered some how. Unfortunately the whole mess is more about money that about health. I would like to see some real health care reform.

For example, good nutrition is a foundation to health, but nutritional training in medical school consists of laughing at it for about an hour. If you happen to find a doctor that uses nutrition in his practice, he learned it outside of medical school. The FDA is pretty much controlled by drug companies, and they allow drugs that k**l people and hold back drug that could save lives. There is a book written by several enlightened doctors that claims that our medical system k**ls about a million people a year. You can find it here:
http://www.octive9.com/deathbymedicine1.htm

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Nov 29, 2013 23:15:11   #
VladimirPee
 
Want to see another 20 Million rush the Border from Mexico? Adopt single payer. That's what happened in Europe. Now they are flooded with North Africans and Arabs living off their social programs.


healinghawk wrote:
What isn't sold with lies in a country that neoliberals and their dupes control?

How else do you sell "yay, me, and screw you" but by lies?

Obama is, bottom line, a neoliberal, and the Republican response is political theater designed to dupe people into favoring things that hurt them.

That Obama is black is irrelevant, but the neoliberals have a large segment of the US population barking up the r****t tree while the neoliberals pillage the country, obscured behind that diversion.

Since Reagan was President, neoliberals have t***sformed this planet into Hell, with no future worth living in sight.

The best idea is single payer, so health insurance is no longer a social control strategy, but insurance company money has to get out of the game to do anything that doesn't serve insurance company profits.

Insurance company money also buys a share of the ads and PR campaigns that control the people in the US, just as Edwin Bernays said it would.

It's not good that you have this kind of experience.

Single payer fixes it, but only if the K-street whores can be kept from, once again, buying legislation that suits them by screwing everyone else.
What isn't sold with lies in a country that neolib... (show quote)

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Nov 29, 2013 23:25:01   #
octive9
 
healinghawk wrote:
What isn't sold with lies in a country that neoliberals and their dupes control?

How else do you sell "yay, me, and screw you" but by lies?

Obama is, bottom line, a neoliberal, and the Republican response is political theater designed to dupe people into favoring things that hurt them.

That Obama is black is irrelevant, but the neoliberals have a large segment of the US population barking up the r****t tree while the neoliberals pillage the country, obscured behind that diversion.

Since Reagan was President, neoliberals have t***sformed this planet into Hell, with no future worth living in sight.

The best idea is single payer, so health insurance is no longer a social control strategy, but insurance company money has to get out of the game to do anything that doesn't serve insurance company profits.

Insurance company money also buys a share of the ads and PR campaigns that control the people in the US, just as Edwin Bernays said it would.

It's not good that you have this kind of experience.

Single payer fixes it, but only if the K-street whores can be kept from, once again, buying legislation that suits them by screwing everyone else.
What isn't sold with lies in a country that neolib... (show quote)


Since you bring up Regan, I'm still waiting for that trickle down he talked about.

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