octive9

I have been trying to figure out why the right seems to h**e Obamacare so much. It was designed after Romneycare, with one of the main features as the individual mandate. That idea started with the Heritage foundation as an alternative to the left's idea of single payer.

Is it just political? Are they upset because Obama stole their ideas?

Every time I see someone from the right asked what they would replace ACA with if they could repeal it, I hear things like we should sit down and come up with a by-partisan plan, but in today's political climate the chances of that happening seem slim to none.

If you have some thoughts as to why they are so against ACA, or if you know of some concepts from the right for something to replace it with, please reply. I am open to your thoughts.

If you just want to throw insults back and forth because someone has a different view than you, please don't. A forum should be a place to discuss ideas, not throw insults.

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

You start with a faulty premise; "Obamacare is patterned after Romneycare."

Obamacare is patterned after Hillarycare.

You ignore the millions of workers, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, and non-v**ers, who've had their hours cut to less than 29 hours weekly because of Obamacare.

You ignore the 5 million plus workers who've received cancellation of their existing Healthcare policies because of Obamacare.

You ignore the jobs that won't be created and the workers who won't be hired because of Obamacare.

You ignore the quandary of families who've received notices their Healthcare insurance premiums will double or triple and their deductible will double or triple because of Obamacare.

...and you duplicitously inquire, Is it political?

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Because Obama is black and democrat, so anything he touches is poison to them. What if he succeeds? My God, we might elect another black man or, horror, a women!

healinghawk

Can you document any of those numbers?

Aren't they propaganda made up by the Republican version of mass media?

Show me some believable numbers.

One of the things that horrifies me about Republicans is their willingness to run with a lie until Hell won't have it.

Cheney's *still* saying there were WMDs in Iraq.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

because obozocare is c*******m and is unconstitutional the federal gov't. cannot require you to buy anything

octive9

I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there isn't a whole lot of difference between all 3. Granted, I have only see bits and pieces of clips and the bills are thousands of pages. From what I can tell, Hillary care leans toward more government provided care. All 3 are trying to get everyone covered by some sort of healthcare insurance.

As for employers cutting employees to 29 hours, that part is not in effect for about a year, and may never get there. However, I just talked to someone from a small town who said employers are reacting as though it was already here. They are reacting to the fear put out by the media.

As for cancellations, a lot of what I have seen is people getting cancellation notices and freaking out before looking into their options. A few may end up paying more, but health care has been rising at about 15% for a long time. That has already slowed. Many find that they can get better coverage for the same or less money.

I don't know how anyone can say that jobs won't be created because of Obamacare. In fact, if more people are getting healthcare I would expect there to be more jobs in that field.

Of course insurance companies will try to sell coverage for higher prices, and I know the faulty web site has kept people from learning their options. That is being fixed and I think most of those being told that by their insurance companies will be able to find better deals.

The only reasons I can objectively see for the right to be against ACA is political. Either, ideologically they don't care about all or most people being covered, or there is just such political hatred of anything Obama that they are forced to fight instead of just trying to make it work for all.

octive9

Sadly I think you are right, and the whole country suffers for it.

stacey_77

I read comments from others and wonder what world they live in. The list of bungled operations by the present administration is so inclusive only the brain dead don't see the writing on the wall. There is only one party one party, the Repubocats or if you prefer the Demoicans. To many are crying like they didn't get their wishes fulfilled at Christmas. How about coming up with solutions? I don't claim to be right, but we might start with a third party. How about moving people out of welfare by determining the cost of living in a particular area, putting them to work, self-esteem, and then the gov. can make up the difference. I'm doing the research on the feasibility of such an idea. Educating the citizens, particularly the greedy, rich and poor that a more equitable system is better for everyone-- making laws only encourages the will to break them and leads to a police state. Makes me wonder, dreamers who think, "can't we all just get along?"--- spit in one hand and put your dreams in the other and see which fills up first. Perfection is a worthy goal, reality is to keep striving, but accepting the limitations of the human condition. I use to think, only if everyone was like me it would be a perfect world. Reality reared its head and I cherish my uniqueness and the uniqueness of each of us--- viva la difference.

octive9

Alex, we are trying to have a reasonable discussion. If all you want to do is call Obama names, please use another thread.

healinghawk

Governments make us buy stuff all the time.

They tax us, and we have to buy wh**ever they bought with that money.

Like stupid wars that won't end, even after the US leaves.

In Texas, we have to buy insurance to drive our cars.

healinghawk

Insurance industry lobbyists wrote all three.

VladimirPee

I oppose it because it was sold on a stack of lies. You cannot insure 30 million uninsured ( 42 Million after amnesty) add expensive options to plans and expect the average family to save $2500. The entire thing was flawed from day one and rushed through by Pelosi-Reid and Obama. I have already experienced a massive hike in premium, deductible and out of pocket costs for 2014.

As far as the Heritage foundation idea. It was included in a house bill and lost. It did not have the v**es. So the GOP opposed it back then too.

stacey_77

What is your solution--- everybody is a Monday morning quarterback. It seems like too many of us just cry sitting under the Christmas tree throwing a hissy-fit.

VladimirPee

You are not forced to own a car.

octive9

I agree to a point that there is only one party, and it is run by corporations with big money. If we could take money out of running for office, and not let holding office be a career, we might have a chance. I have heard that the first thing a congressman does when he takes office is start raising money for the next e******n.

I have one idea to take money out, but it would be difficult to get to. When I took a class in real estate I learned that when you buy a piece of property, you are purchasing space from the center of the earth, unless mineral rights have been sold, to infinite space. So when a TV or radio station broadcasts is signal, it is using everyone's air space, and they don't pay rent. In lieu of rent all broadcast media should be required to give fair and equal air time, not in sound byte segments, to all candidates and issues. That, and public appearances should be the only legitimate means to campaign. Fair and Balanced!!! We might even get a chance to see what the candidates are really all about.

Then if we could have some kind of term limits that would get rid of career politicians, and pay them by the hour, take away their pensions and let them participate in Social Security like the rest of us, we might get more reasonable government.