VladimirPee

The one BIG question that is yet to be answered. Of the people that have actually signed up so far how many are from the 5 million who lost their insurance because of ACA ?

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Democrats can not nor will not admit they made a major mistake and simply push on caring little what the outcome might be, they'll simply raise taxes to make thing work.

USpatriot77 Loc: USA

What difference does the type of people make? The losses run the gambit of the poor to the affluent-income was not the determining factor, the insured's carrier was!Some of the Largest Insurance carrier's were some of the worst offenders of dumping their patrons, and some of the smallest were the ones who chose to buck Obamacare and stay in support of their insured's. The insured's aren't the problem, or the insurance carrier's, it is the Obamacare program that created this fiasco and all the problems in getting people signed up. Any Program the Government launch's or (try's) to run is a disaster! Name just One program in American history that the Government has started and run that hasn't cost taxpayer's more than originally stated it would and wasn't a drain on the US economy! The Federal Government was designed to support the State's Government and help them, not to start programs that supported the States.

Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way

Let's just agree to agree and call it what it is, Obama pooh !

USpatriot77 Loc: USA

That I will wholeheartedly agree on with you!!

:-P :-P :-P :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

mongo Loc: TEXAS

Unfortunately, most doctors have become as greedy as the politicians. They will refuse care from Obamacare patients if it doesn't fill their need to stock their coffers with cash. I've lived in CA and NV and find it interesting that most of the medical appointments are with physician assistants because the doctor is too busy. When I go to the office, the doctor is either sitting in his office or not present. I think this new health care law is going to leave more people uninsured or lacking premium health care choices. I believe we will see more deaths caused by incompetent diagnosed patients in the coming months.

mongo Loc: TEXAS

I agree. There are so many welfare babies out there, and they have no intention of getting a job. I for one am s**k of paying for their lifestyle. I was at a checkout stand behind a woman with diamond rings on eight fingers, dressed like she was rich, drove a brand new high priced car, and paid for her groceries with food stamps. Makes me sick!

USpatriot77 Loc: USA

This my friend is called "Socialism" and it will only continue to bankrupt America the longer it goes unchecked. Social welfare is fine for a short period of time if people are down on their luck. But America has seen "Welfarism" become a way of life for too many for far too long. It's time to bring back the CCC's and put these "beggars" to work earning their free ride at America's expense.

VladimirPee

I was in the supermarket last summer and they had whole filet mignons on sale. They were about $40 each. A very attractive and well dressed blonde lady was on the check out line in front of me with 2 filets. I joked with her about getting an invite to her party. When she pulled out and paid with an EBT card I nearly screamed.

Hungry Freaks

If Republicans were smart, they'd shut their mouths for the next six months and let this thing play out. It will either be a success or a failure, the later being somewhat more likely than the former.

Instead, they come off as a bunch of unfeeling jerks who don't care about people without health care. And they come off as folks who have v**ed 40 times, long before the ACA became the fiasco is has turned out to be, to repeal it.

The problem with the ACA is that it's overly complicated. A basic catastrophic coverage for all people, from one entity, with say a $5,000 deductible, would have been much more doable.If this entity was run by a private non-profit, like the old Blue Cross/Blue Shield or the old for profit monopoly of "Ma Bell", it might have actually worked.

If you cut the 17% we spend on administration and add the young people who don't have insurance to the pool of the insured, a catastrophic policy would almost have paid for itself. Or close to it.

Instead, a compromise that tried to include every health insurance company with a wide variety of options has proved to be unwieldy. Add in an Internet component, which the government never does well with, and you have the mess that we now have. It may work out, but then again it may not.

"Everything to government touches turns to crap" Ringo Starr-date unknown.

Given this view, it's hardly a surprise the the ACA is in trouble. I truly believe that health care isn't a "free-market" commodity. We don't go to a se******n of hospitals-like "Bob's Big Boy Health Care" or "Acme Hospital" or "Healthcare'orama."

Unless one lives in a big city, we go to the local hospital. And many people who live in rural or suburban settings , even those with insurance, don't have the opinion of going to one of the university-based big city hospitals unless one is really sick.

My health care insurer gives me one option each of where to go for laboratory work and x-rays. I can't even go to the local hospital for either-i have the choice of going to the one location where the insurance company says it will pay or go where i want and pay for it myself. And I have pretty good health insurance.

Our health care system does the big flashy stuff well, but it sucks on the basics. No choice, no controls over what these extremely limited providers charge, nothing but this unholy mix of "free market" and monopolistic practices for most of the population. .

It's no big secret that a basic colonoscopy costs an average of $1,500 or more here in the US while it costs less than $400 in most countries with universal health. care. Entire careers are made providing colonoscopies here in the US, including my GI doctor. Not a bad person, but he lines up 20 or so roto-rooter jobs a day, once or twice a week. And it costs about $1,800 a pop. His take is $800, the facility's take (in which my doctor has a financial interest) is more than $600 with the anesthesiologist getting the rest for inserting an IV and shooting some medicine into it.

And I could go to Canada and get the same thing done for less than $400. And, unlike here, where I pay about $250 for each roto-rooter job, in Canada it is all taken care of by the universal health care system that derives it's revenues for the entire population.

The US should wake up and see what every other developed nation is doing with health care. With the exception of China (which does have some government-paid heath care) or Chad. Southern Sudan or Somalia, the US stands alone in it's "market based" health care system.

Which is folly. I know it strays very far from my otherwise Libertarian view of what government should and shouldn't do, but health care isn't a fee market commodity. It is a basic necessity that should not be denied to anyone.

The federal and state governments already pay for nearly half of all healthcare bills, for the old, the sick and the very poor. And for those without insurance. It only makes sense that we make it one pool with basic coverage for all. With a high deductible that isn't totally out of the reach of most people-say $5,000. And that's not to say that those who can pay for more health care would get it-at their own expense.

As it is, about 6% of all bankruptcies are for people trying to escape health care bills, most of whom have some sort of health care insurance. Even with a contract with an insurance company, the individual is responsible for health care bills, even if it should be covered by insurance. The insurance companies have nothing to compel them to pay those bills even with an alleged contract that they will. The system is gamed in their favor.

We currently spend 50% more than than the rest of the developed world for a health care system that is dysfunctional in many aspects. It only stands to reason that we should try to do better. The ACA was developed with a good intent, but it is a compromise offered to satisfy the "free market" that isn't free and isn't a market place, and the health insurance companies that look only to the stockholder for guidance as to what is wrong and right.

Unless you know where there's a Healthcare'orama. If you do, give me the address.

larry

You give a good rant, but you give no solution. It seems to me, that Obama has deluded you into thinking that the prices you are charged for health care are fair and reasonable. When in fact they are unusually high toned because of the strong hold the AMA has on both the practitioners as well as the lawyers that feather their nest with impractical suits and in general nit-picking arguments.

It would be a good thing, if practical price controls were imposed on both the drugs and the procedures, but that would then lead us into the prime objective of this fiasco in the first place. The intent is to control Health Care by the Government so that they can decide how much of it and how much they take in by stealth. This Obama Care is the first thrust into getting you so disgusted that you will ask the government to federalize it and lower the costs and simplify the procedures. It would also put the Pharmaceuticals under Government control and give you more than enough trouble getting help.

There is an alternative, but because the AMA has such tight control on everything, you will not see it in this lifetime. Alternative and natural medicines are available, but the propaganda against them is so malicious that everyone shuns the use of them. But now people will start to turn there, and prices for these natural healers will climb to the stratosphere.

And, there will be no one to sue. So if you croak it will be on our own charge, since no one has authorized these natural elements.
You do not have to participate in the FORMAL health care system now if you do not want to. But you are determined to get some FREE help from the government or insurance because you think you deserve it. YOU don't deserve anything, you have to earn it. You cannot earn favor in this system or any system that is run by the government. At this point, the Doctors are losing control and it is because they have feathered their nest with high prices. There is no control on what they charge, and how they waste money in the process.

If any control should be necessary it is in the fee for service area that is totally controlled by this band of hoodlums, and and the government controlled mafia that pretends to be working in you self interest. Who in the Health Care system is losing money? Only you. Everyone else is living high on the Hog.
This socialistic government wants to control it so that they reap the largess that is available. We need to reduce the cost of Health care, not put more people paying for it that don not use it. We need to k**l this bill, and put controls on the system so that all people receive a fair treatment. Now it is only available to those with either a lot of money, or a lot of insurance. Either way, it is money talks, and bull s**t walks.