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Dec 2, 2013 14:25:39   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
Absolutely! Hospitals, doctors, clinics can refuse to take Obamacare patients just like they can refuse to take any other insurance carrier. I am retired Army and my Tri-care government insurance is not accepted by most doctors or outpatient clinics. For the majority of medical care I have to usae the VA. The only civilian Hospital in the area will take tri-care but they don't like to because of all the paperwork and low percentages that they pay on the bill.
larry wrote:
Do you mean to tell me, that the Doctors and Hospitals can elect not to participate in Obama care? Will that mean they will be fined, or is it just the consumer that takes all the pain

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Dec 2, 2013 14:32:45   #
USpatriot77 Loc: USA
 
GOD I hope not! Or america really is doomed. Why is this simple concept so hard for people to understand? I can not get around the fact that most people have not a clue as to how this country and its economy work! And what will happen to this economy and country if Capitalism is destroyed. Give me some of your insight and wisdom into this very scary fact.
larry wrote:
Finally, a breath of fresh air in the room. Where have you been hiding, Surely you and I are not the only people that see the danger of this excessive Government interference in our lives.

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Dec 2, 2013 14:39:00   #
vernon
 
octive9 wrote:
I have been trying to figure out why the right seems to h**e Obamacare so much. It was designed after Romneycare, with one of the main features as the individual mandate. That idea started with the Heritage foundation as an alternative to the left's idea of single payer.

Is it just political? Are they upset because Obama stole their ideas?

Every time I see someone from the right asked what they would replace ACA with if they could repeal it, I hear things like we should sit down and come up with a by-partisan plan, but in today's political climate the chances of that happening seem slim to none.

If you have some thoughts as to why they are so against ACA, or if you know of some concepts from the right for something to replace it with, please reply. I am open to your thoughts.

If you just want to throw insults back and forth because someone has a different view than you, please don't. A forum should be a place to discuss ideas, not throw insults.
I have been trying to figure out why the right see... (show quote)


what you dont understand that its not the fed place to get into health care if the citizens of a state want it they should votye it but no fed.

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Dec 2, 2013 14:43:18   #
vernon
 
larry wrote:
You missed one point of my note. The point was, that even if you have you own water and septic, you would still be required to pay for those services to the County or township as having a share of supporting those that can not afford it.
That is the way this Obama care thing is working. You have to pay for other peoples needs, whether you like it or need it or not.


well when do you train these people and make them go to work just how many generations are thw working people suposed to carry them

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Dec 2, 2013 18:02:52   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
Yeah, it is a step toward it but it doesn't guarantee it. Besides, the insurance industry execs want it to work so that your idea doesn't catch-on.

larry wrote:
Do you not realize, that this ACA is the first step to Government control of Health Care? This is a trillion dollar business, and the nitwits in congress want to get their hands on the money. This present project is designed to fail, so the SAVIOR Obama and the Democrats can come in with a whole new solution. Create the Government Health Care System, install a new Department in the Government, and take Health Care under the control of i***ts, just like they are doing with the Dept of Education. The Health Care Enterprise has so far escaped total government control, and the Socialists in the system don't like that. That is why we have Obama care, A system designed to fail so it can be added to Government control. wtfu
Do you not realize, that this ACA is the first ste... (show quote)

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Dec 2, 2013 19:36:36   #
larry
 
vernon wrote:
well when do you train these people and make them go to work just how many generations are thw working people suposed to carry them


Most of them are coming over the open border because they can fill the v****g booth illegally, and no one controls that. Especially the Democrats. Most of them want to work, but they don't want to pay income tax at the same time. So they work off the books if they can. Wouldn't you in their place? The problem is that we are giving too many of them a place. free access to everything you and I are paying for. Charity, is not a government function, it should be done by concerned people that re given credit on their taxes for doing so.

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Dec 2, 2013 19:47:40   #
larry
 
UncleJesse wrote:
Yeah, it is a step toward it but it doesn't guarantee it. Besides, the insurance industry execs want it to work so that your idea doesn't catch-on.


But, the insurance companies cannot lose. They will still be part of it. Even if the Government runs the whole shebang, they will still have the ability to charge patients for access to it through their coverage options. Do not think that they will be excluded. Well maybe some of them will be Federalized too, and become a large Government entity like NASA. Maybe NASA could run it better than the boobs in the IRS.

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Dec 2, 2013 21:10:03   #
VladimirPee
 
In my area they have displaced American low income families from affordable rent. How? We had many old Victorian homes downtown. Most were converted into 3 and 4 family homes with a family per home. Some even had 3 bedrooms per apartment. 7 single male Mexicans paying cash can afford much more rent than a poor family. And in some cases the owners converted to boarding houses with 20 small rooms at $600 per month each.


larry wrote:
Most of them are coming over the open border because they can fill the v****g booth illegally, and no one controls that. Especially the Democrats. Most of them want to work, but they don't want to pay income tax at the same time. So they work off the books if they can. Wouldn't you in their place? The problem is that we are giving too many of them a place. free access to everything you and I are paying for. Charity, is not a government function, it should be done by concerned people that re given credit on their taxes for doing so.
Most of them are coming over the open border becau... (show quote)

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Dec 2, 2013 21:51:16   #
larry
 
DennisDee wrote:
In my area they have displaced American low income families from affordable rent. How? We had many old Victorian homes downtown. Most were converted into 3 and 4 family homes with a family per home. Some even had 3 bedrooms per apartment. 7 single male Mexicans paying cash can afford much more rent than a poor family. And in some cases the owners converted to boarding houses with 20 small rooms at $600 per month each.


Was all that legal? I thought you had to have a license to run a boarding house of hotel. Not only that, but it sounds like each one is a business that needs to be registered. Where is this place that seems so open and free?

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Dec 2, 2013 23:19:57   #
VladimirPee
 
I doubt its legal. I guaranty the town knows these have been converted but it is one of those sanctuary towns where they turn a blind eye to i******s

larry wrote:
Was all that legal? I thought you had to have a license to run a boarding house of hotel. Not only that, but it sounds like each one is a business that needs to be registered. Where is this place that seems so open and free?

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Dec 2, 2013 23:24:27   #
larry
 
DennisDee wrote:
I doubt its legal. I guaranty the town knows these have been converted but it is one of those sanctuary towns where they turn a blind eye to i******s


Pardon me, but that sucks.

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Dec 25, 2013 22:39:46   #
commishh
 
The Afordable Care Act does nothing at all to CONTAIN any of the costs of healthcare, indeed the insurance companies and big pharma had their greedy input to the draft and I also agree it is based on a lie!

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Dec 26, 2013 11:39:55   #
1OldGeezer
 
commish,
You are right, the big insurance companies were agreeable to the ACA because they saw it as a guaranteed customer base with taxpayer subsidies; (but I'm not sure they really had any more choice than we, the taxpayer, had/have).

I can't shake the feeling that they (the health insurance companies) may be hitching a ride across the river on the back of that proverbial crocodile (Obama admin). We will see whether the government rescues them with taxpayer money (direct subsidies and/or customer subsidies) when they begin to go bankrupt or just goes to a "single payer" system.

Even if you say "It will serve them right", it is still not good for us, the citizens. It would be just a further departure from a capitalist, free market system (with competition) to a central controlled economy with unlimited resources (high taxes and borrowed FED infusions).

All debt will ultimately be paid, either by excessive taxes on our children/us, or by devaluation of the dollars we hold, (maybe both); we (citizen taxpayers) pay the price either way.
1oldgeezer


commishh wrote:
The Afordable Care Act does nothing at all to CONTAIN any of the costs of healthcare, indeed the insurance companies and big pharma had their greedy input to the draft and I also agree it is based on a lie!

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Dec 26, 2013 11:42:35   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
The next thing will be a bailout for the insurance companies with OUR tax dollars.


commishh wrote:
The Afordable Care Act does nothing at all to CONTAIN any of the costs of healthcare, indeed the insurance companies and big pharma had their greedy input to the draft and I also agree it is based on a lie!

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Dec 26, 2013 12:13:11   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
octive9 wrote:
I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there isn't a whole lot of difference between all 3. Granted, I have only see bits and pieces of clips and the bills are thousands of pages. From what I can tell, Hillary care leans toward more government provided care. All 3 are trying to get everyone covered by some sort of healthcare insurance.

As for employers cutting employees to 29 hours, that part is not in effect for about a year, and may never get there. However, I just talked to someone from a small town who said employers are reacting as though it was already here. They are reacting to the fear put out by the media.

As for cancellations, a lot of what I have seen is people getting cancellation notices and freaking out before looking into their options. A few may end up paying more, but health care has been rising at about 15% for a long time. That has already slowed. Many find that they can get better coverage for the same or less money.

I don't know how anyone can say that jobs won't be created because of Obamacare. In fact, if more people are getting healthcare I would expect there to be more jobs in that field.

Of course insurance companies will try to sell coverage for higher prices, and I know the faulty web site has kept people from learning their options. That is being fixed and I think most of those being told that by their insurance companies will be able to find better deals.

The only reasons I can objectively see for the right to be against ACA is political. Either, ideologically they don't care about all or most people being covered, or there is just such political hatred of anything Obama that they are forced to fight instead of just trying to make it work for all.
I looked up Hillary care on Wikipedia and there is... (show quote)


I think we need to look at what types of people lost their healthcare and why they are now under most circumstances being forced to pay more when they should be paying less.

It was the individual plans that were most affected by the cancellations. The types of people who had those are self employed professionals, small business owners and independent contractors. These are types of people are the engine of our economy. They didn't have access to group discounts so were forced to pay higher premiums than someone working for a large employer. If Obama care lived up to how it was sold to us these people would have and should have gained the most. So why have they been hit the hardest. Because Obama care forces everyone to pay for other people's life choices under the heading of woman's health issues. I'm sorry but if your in demographic that maybe more expensive then you should pay more. But people aren't being given options but are just being forced.

It was sold under a lie, no one knew what was really in it.

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