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Nov 27, 2013 09:02:05   #
Hungry Freaks
 
bmac32 wrote:
MJ is not the real problem, it's what it's mixed with and that k**l people.


There has never been a case where somebody died from ingesting marijuana-never. It is not toxic. It is stronger today, but in states with legalized marijuana, there are also controls to make sure it is pure. Adulterants are added by black market dealers, not by legal establishments touting purity.

They say "more studies are needed" but marijuana has been in use for 4,000 years. That includes hashish and other high-powered grades of marijuana just as potent as today''s hybrids. What is there left to study?

It is not addictive. There are methods of ingesting other than smoking, removing the dangers of tars from the smoking process. It is simply the safest recreational drug on the market. It should have been legal 30 years ago, or, more to the point, never been made illegal.

I can go to the doctor and get high-powered narcotics like Oxycontin or chronic pain, a drug that has k**led thousands. Yet that same doctor can't prescribe marijuana for the same condition. This is beyond strange.

That it is a gateway drug is also not true except that the same illegal dealer who sells pot sometimes sells other drugs. Remove it from the black market and you solve that problem.

So much disinformation out there. "It can k**l you" is laughable, except that there's more a half-million people in prison, most for simple possession or low-level dealing, of this drug. A waste of resources, a tragedy for people criminally charged with using pot and another example of the federal government intruding into the lives of it's citizens.

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Nov 27, 2013 09:04:52   #
Hungry Freaks
 
stan3186 wrote:
I believe all drugs should be legalized and controlled where they are not laden with other chemicals that could be harmful like many of the street drugs are today.

However, this will never happen. The reason has nothing to do with morality or wh**ever, it is simply money and large investments by some very rich people and the Federal and State governments.

It has been theorized in some studies that 80% of all crimes are in some manner related to drugs or getting money to buy drugs. Makes perfect sense to decriminalize drugs and take the profit out of selling and save on the cost of prosecution and the jailing of these people right? Of course, unless you are a company that is being paid huge dollars as a privately owned prison. Unless you are a city that is arming police and hiring officers to enforce the laws. Think how many billions if not trillions of dollars are spent on "the war on drugs" and how many influential people (politicians, police unions, lawyers, judges) would be affected if the government were to actually do the right thing and legalize most if not all drugs and just go for treatment rather than punishment of the offenders.

No; taking the crime out of drugs and the street profit out of drugs makes perfect sense to the average person, but the average person is not profiting legally by all the supporting industries of the "war on drugs".
I believe all drugs should be legalized and contro... (show quote)


Exactly, Stan-there's too much money in the "War on Drugs" to make even one of them legal. It's a money game, one that ruins the lives of people deemed insignificant by the vested interests.

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Nov 27, 2013 10:36:27   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
emarine wrote:
I am all for it Chief :thumbup: :thumbup: Just as long as the stoners remember to drive in the right lane and don't consume all the Oreo cookies and milk


LOL!

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Nov 27, 2013 11:03:56   #
RetNavyCWO Loc: VA suburb of DC
 
Interesting responses!

I thought the legalization of marijuana might be a topic on which both liberals and conservatives might agree (with few exceptions).

Does anybody think marijuana WILL BE legalized nationwide?

I think it will. The experiences of Colorado and Washington will be big determinants, however. If they are successful in both saving money on enforcement and incarceration and generating needed tax revenue, the other states will fall in line like dominos.

Of course, the federal government would first have to take marijuana off the list of Schedule 1 of the U.S. Controlled Substances Act, which Obama can do, I believe, with the stroke of a pen.

Two Congressmen, Jared Polis (D-CO) and Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), introduced legislation earlier this year to decriminalize marijuana at the national level. I don't know the status of either of their efforts, but I suspect that John Boehner has (figuratively) tucked them away in a drawer somewhere.

Here's the White House website's take on the legalization of marijuana:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ondcp/ondcp-fact-sheets/marijuana-legalization

Wouldn't one think that Obama, who has never hid his use of marijuana as a youth, would be more liberal about its legalization? I do. And I think he holds back on it because he doesn't want to be known as the black president who legalized marijuana.

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Nov 27, 2013 16:30:17   #
Hunter
 
I have just a simple question. Let's just say hypothetically it gets legalized. If a couple has children and they use marijuana in the house, what about the second hand smoke? Before someone answers well they can go outside I'm sure the neighbors will appreciate it if they don't use it just about like someone that doesn't smoke cigarettes.

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Nov 27, 2013 16:33:43   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
There should be no restrictions on any unrefined vegetation OF ANY KIND.
It has nothing to do with puritanism either.
Alcohol prohibition was backed mainly by big oil (Rockefeller),
to make sure Henry sold gas guzzlers.
Hemps demise was financed by the pulpwood industry (Warehauser), to make sure pulpwood, wood dominate the lucrative industry of papermaking.
If pot were totally legal it would become like a tomato.
Easy to grow well, but people still buy it.
unlike tobacco which requires work, pot would proliferate and become impossible to regulate and make money on by taxing etc.
Hybridization is responsible for the new easy growing hi potency grass, not add on chemicals.
You people on this forum know lots about politics and stuff for sure, leave the grass alone, most of you dont have a norml clue.

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Nov 27, 2013 17:15:29   #
Will I am Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
Cannabis is harmless, unlike tobacco, alcohol, and all the other "legal" k**lers out there.
But, the pharmaceutical industry is scared of it, because it can do a better job fighting a lot of ailments the pharmaceutical industry is making money providing pills to fight.
And the prison guard union see the cons in the house for marijuana offenses as the easiest, best behaving, and least dangerous cons.
The two entities listed above are the 2 biggest lobby entities in favor of it being kept illegal (similar to the initial lobbyist to make it illegal, DuPont, in order to make it so their invention of polyester or nylon [I forget which], did not have hemp fabric as competition anymore).
The safety of cannabis, the many different uses of the plant, the people's desire for it to be legal, and everything else does not matter in Washington. But, money does, and the potential taxes on the plant must not seem to be as high as what the lobbyists are kicking out in Congress. Money makes the world around.
Meanwhile, what kind of paper are the original Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution written on?

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Nov 27, 2013 20:05:22   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Hemp for fiber is different than hemp for pleasure.

Hemp fiber is an ultimate renewable resource that would do away with the need for pulpwood and create an entirely new industry for hemp-based paper and fabric.

Hemp for fiber is useless for getting high, yet we can't even seem to legalize it.

Even in it's strongest form, cannabis is non-toxic. Researchers have tried to k**l lab animals with it and stopped after subjecting rates to a level of 2 pounds pot smoke per rat a day. There is no lethal dose of marijuana or it's active ingredient, THC.

Years ago Richard Nixon commissioned a study of cannabis and put former Gov. W. Scranton, a conservative Republican (by that day's standard) as the commission chief. When the commission came back with the recommendation that cannabis be decriminalized, Nixon buried it.

Our puritanical laws on marijuana will one day fall. that we have had three presidents who have used pot while the drug still remains illegal is an example of the hypocrisy of society's attitude towards the drug. . every person who goes to prison for use of marijuana or sale or marijuana is a life wasted. We will one day come to our senses.

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Nov 27, 2013 20:25:12   #
oldladyfromwaco
 
I predict that pot will be legalized in a few number of years, primarily because today's baby boomers were the hippies/potheads of yesterday and love the stuff....and have smoked it for decades and really need it now medicinally.
Also, legalization will end the incarceration of millions who should not have been in prison.....for profit I might add....in the first place. You know how it goes....if you want to make a lot of money, criminalize something.....build private prisons.....change the laws to fill the prisons......and make billions....while receiving for each prisoner the equivalent of a year's college education for a year's imprisonment.....and making more money by the farming out prisoners at s***e wages.....
While I'm writing, drugs....illegal.....have been used for centuries by Britain....remember the Opium Wars of the late 1800's? Might interest you to know that when the US went into Afghanistan, 7% of the opium coming into the US came from there. Now, the percent is 70.....and most of it comes through Canada. Just look back over the last wars.....the US goes in, Britain takes all the money and sets up another Federal Reserved(controlled by The Crown)....and drug production skyrockets. Profit comes for the powerful at any cost to the world, doesn't it.

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Nov 27, 2013 21:08:47   #
Hungry Freaks
 
Strange that we demonize the Chinese opium addict yet worship the Brits who forced it on the Chinese. Drugs are big business-laways has been, always will. Old Lady-few people even know about the opium wars-thanks for being informed.

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Nov 27, 2013 21:47:37   #
Hungry Freaks
 
jasfourth401 wrote:
Additives come in two forms. One is the use of banned pesticides to increase yields and is the most dangerous. The other is an outgrowth of the "designer drug" craze among kids. All these awful chemical concoctions (meth, ecstasy, mdma and lord knows what else) are used to coat the pot and increase potency. The most horrifying example was down in Miami where a homeless man high on this junk gnawed off the face of another man.

These two reasons also bolster the case for legalization to keep these toxic add-ons out of this stuff.
Additives come in two forms. One is the use of ba... (show quote)


I'm not aware of any "designer drugs" being used to 'coat" marijuana, but then my info is sorely dated. "Designer drugs" like Molly and Ecstasy come in pill form, according to the young people I do know. And the truly deadly drugs like Oxycontin come from a doctor's prescription pad, a fact i know all too well.

Back in the day, some cheap pot was "dusted' with PCP, but a dealer that did that usually was put out of business quickly. Only happened to me once, 40 years ago, and it was an unpleasant experience.

The one thing that is clear-legal marijuana isn't altered or coated with any drug-it's pure marijuana. Marijuana is safe, non-toxic, not physically addictive (hey, coffee and sugar are more addictive) , it doesn't cross the placental barrier and is as safe as anything out there. Why it isn't legal is one of the great mysteries of modern life.

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Nov 27, 2013 21:56:24   #
Hungry Freaks
 
PS: the guy chewed off the other guys face apparently used some kind of "bath salts" not marijuana. Bath salts are popular among a certain group because they're legal, unlike marijuana.

Don't blame that one marijuana lest you be compared to the folks who put together the circ. 1931 movie "Reefer Madness."

One may get the munchies from smoking pot, but not for human flesh or any kind of violent activity. Potheads are the most passive group of people on earth.

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Nov 28, 2013 13:19:57   #
Confused
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I'm not sure if this topic has ever been addressed on this forum, but the couple of posts about young black men's futures being derailed by drug convictions caused me to wonder what the folks on here think about the legalization of marijuana.

Since I started it, I'll go first: I think marijuana should be legalized. The law enforcement efforts to arrest and punish users costs society way too much. Legalizing it and taxing it not only saves those dollars, it also generates needed new revenues. Plus, marijuana is actually less harmful to the body than alcohol. By all means, severely punish those who drive while under the influence, just like alcohol. But let the casual user alone; he's not harming anyone.

What do you think?
I'm not sure if this topic has ever been addressed... (show quote)


Yes , it should be legalized nationwide . It is an adult choice .

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Nov 28, 2013 13:24:42   #
Confused
 
ginnyt wrote:
I have mixed feeling on this subject. On one hand I agree with you; too much is wasted trying to control drug use/users. On the other hand, the use of drugs only increase the burden on society. There is evidence that the use of marijuana is very harmful to your health, may alter DNA....among other things. But, you and I know that research studies and those results can be manipulated to "prove" the position of the researchers.

I am too health conscious to use drugs, but I know people who do. I have watched these people over the years change in personality and what I see is not good. Personality shifts, memory issues, and such. Who is to say it is all related to smoking weed, they may have been predisposed to those problems. Bottom line, I would not use the stuff, I would not want my children exposed to it and have severed friendships because of their drug use.

I am not convinced that legalizing marijuana would "free up" the police. There are some people who react badly to the substance, I think that domestic disturbances would increase, along with driving while impaired, not to mention the loss (in some people) of ambition. I do not really want to support another escape mechanism for people who refuse to deal with their problems.
I have mixed feeling on this subject. On one hand... (show quote)


Marijuana has never k**led anyone . Prescription drugs manufactured and sold k**l a person every 14 minutes in the US .
p.s. Marijuana cannot alter DNA .

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Nov 28, 2013 13:29:25   #
Confused
 
bmac32 wrote:
Am like you, a fence sitter. Today's marijuana is much different from my day with 100's of different chemicals mixed in. Plain Jane is not much different than drinking but today it can k**l you.


That is just plain false . It is medically impossible to overdose on marijuana .

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