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Nov 26, 2013 11:40:26   #
bluejacket
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
I agree to the de-criminalization of marijuana (and all other drugs) for adults but we have to increase the penalties for adults who supply adolescents.

The drug trade will stop when the value of EVERY drug is reduced to near-zero. Compared to the financial and human cost of the Drug War, it would be cheaper to set up clinics where any certified addict could get a free fix and a meal under medical supervision leading to a cure, if possible.

That would end drug-fueled crime and the enormous cost of punishment. It would end gang turf wars, etc. The savings would finance all the clinics and the drugs.

The trouble with this world is that there are too many Puritans who want to save souls and end up causing more damage than they prevent. Didn't we learn anything from the Prohibition?
I agree to the de-criminalization of marijuana (an... (show quote)


yes the collateral effects of the prohibition of drugs is more dangerous than the use of the drugs themselves , prohibition is a lesson that seems to be relearned time after time , the intent of prohibition is laudatory but the implementation is despicable

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Nov 26, 2013 11:56:15   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
rumitoid wrote:
I agree but it is still a tough question. There is definitely the case that what we are denied, intices. Look at Prohibition. Millions of people who lived decent, law-abiding lives and would not dream of criminal activity felt little or no qualms about getting alcohol. This attempt to moralize Americans laid the groundwork for criminal empires and the Cartels we have today. Stupid meddling.

Then we have the fiasco called The War of Drugs; we are worse off now than before we declared this so-called war. The idea was to drive up the price so high it would reduce users, except that the prices came down instead.

I will go a step further and say all drugs should be legalized and controlled like alcohol. Our prisons are jammed to overcrowding and millions of dollars are being wasted building new ones. Most states have laws that prohibit convicted felons from v****g, so they become disaffected citizens. Plus the stigma makes getting a normal job difficult, add to that a struggling economy and what are their options? Then we have what they learn and who their new friends are from prison.

Fighting drugs is a huge Industry today, which would make legalization a very tough fight. Yet unless we do the hoard of barbarians we are steadily creating will already be inside the gates and ready for l**ting.
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Well, rumitoid, hell froze over - and here I am, agreeing with you. I totally agree with your comment re this issue. It just makes sense. It's logical. As I said, I've never been a user and never will be. I once thought that the criminalization of mj was the correct thing to do - but that's before we really knew much about it. I've changed a lot of my thinking over the years.

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Nov 26, 2013 11:59:30   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
bmac32 wrote:
MJ is not the real problem, it's what it's mixed with and that k**l people.

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I hadn't realized it is mixed with other things. Did you say that is something that was begun AFTER people started using it, or has it always been the case?

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Nov 26, 2013 11:59:51   #
MarvinSussman
 
bmac32 wrote:
Democrats would not do that, it's freedom of choice and like health care they would want to control it.


I would bet that there are more Puritans running after sinners among conservatives than among liberals. We liberals have fought conservatives over alcohol, birth control, a******n rights, homosexual rights, v****g rights, legalization of pornography, etc. etc.

Nobody forces a Puritan to drink whiskey or do anything else.

Conservatives! Please! Live and let live.

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Nov 26, 2013 12:42:00   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
I would bet that there are more Puritans running after sinners among conservatives than among liberals. We liberals have fought conservatives over alcohol, birth control, a******n rights, homosexual rights, v****g rights, legalization of pornography, etc. etc.

Nobody forces a Puritan to drink whiskey or do anything else.

Conservatives! Please! Live and let live.

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With all due respect, Mr. Sussman, I think you truly believe that a******n rights, homosexual rights, v****g rights are IN FACT "rights". They are not. Rights are bestowed on every human at birth by his maker: right to life, right to speak, right to worship as the person pleases, right to his sovereign self.

Those things you have listed are man made, and man "approved" - and they are accurately "privileges" provided by government, and what is provided by government can readily be taken away by government.........legally. Government can also take away true rights by fining or imprisoning people, but they cannot do it Constitutionally as the Constitution is written.

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Nov 26, 2013 13:16:56   #
MarvinSussman
 
Tasine wrote:
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With all due respect, Mr. Sussman, I think you truly believe that a******n rights, homosexual rights, v****g rights are IN FACT "rights". They are not. Rights are bestowed on every human at birth by his maker: right to life, right to speak, right to worship as the person pleases, right to his sovereign self.

Those things you have listed are man made, and man "approved" - and they are accurately "privileges" provided by government, and what is provided by government can readily be taken away by government.........legally. Government can also take away true rights by fining or imprisoning people, but they cannot do it Constitutionally as the Constitution is written.
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You proved my point. A woman's body according to you is not her own to do with as she pleases. If conservatives have their way, Big Gummint (fat, bald politicians) will tell her what her "privileges" are.

Women, get a gun! Learn how to shoot! And stand your ground when the fat, bald politicians come after you!

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Nov 26, 2013 13:24:25   #
hoonie61
 
IF A INDIVIDUAL FEELS THE NEED TO GET HIGH ON GRASS, KNOWING HE IS DOING SOMETHING HARMFUL TO HIS BODY,[ALCOHOL INCLUDED] AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, YOU ARE NO GOOD TO SOCIETY ANYHOW, JUST A BURDEN ON US TAXPAYERS. SO, IN BRIEF, IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO GET HIGH, JUMP OFF A BRIDGE AND TRY AND FLY. GOOD LUCK ON THAT ENDEAVOR. AS FOR ME, I'LL HAVE ANOTHER GLASS OF ICED TEA WITH NO SUGAR. MAY GOD GRANT YA SERENITY MY FRIEND! GO IN PEACE AND SERVE THE LORD. RESPECTFULLY, AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

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Nov 26, 2013 13:47:45   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
You proved my point. A woman's body according to you is not her own to do with as she pleases. If conservatives have their way, Big Gummint (fat, bald politicians) will tell her what her "privileges" are.

Women, get a gun! Learn how to shoot! And stand your ground when the fat, bald politicians come after you!

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Absolutely WRONG. A woman should have no right that all Americans do not have, and THAT would rule out A******N FOR CONVENIENCE'S SAKE. If I decide I'd rather not talk with you, I can stay home, I can tell you to get lost, I can boycot everything you stand for - BUT I CANNOT K**L YOU WITHOUT STANDING TRIAL FOR MURDER.. Is that a true statement, a true question?
If a woman doesn't want the pregnancy, she had the option of having or denying sex. That's how we handled it in my day. She chose to have sex. It was her body, and she did what she chose to do with it. It was my body and I did what I wanted with it, but then, I was taught that we are responsible for our own actions. The baby is not the "mother's" body - it is the baby's body.

You people on the left go through so many contortions to try to convince people that your lies and aberrations are good - and we aren't buying that snake oil.

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Nov 26, 2013 13:48:47   #
jasfourth401
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I'm not sure if this topic has ever been addressed on this forum, but the couple of posts about young black men's futures being derailed by drug convictions caused me to wonder what the folks on here think about the legalization of marijuana.

Since I started it, I'll go first: I think marijuana should be legalized. The law enforcement efforts to arrest and punish users costs society way too much. Legalizing it and taxing it not only saves those dollars, it also generates needed new revenues. Plus, marijuana is actually less harmful to the body than alcohol. By all means, severely punish those who drive while under the influence, just like alcohol. But let the casual user alone; he's not harming anyone.

What do you think?
I'm not sure if this topic has ever been addressed... (show quote)


I agree. It should be legalized, for the reasons you state above, but also as a way to starve the drug lords of cash. Anytime we can make their life miserable is a good day for all of us.

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Nov 26, 2013 14:01:04   #
MarvinSussman
 
Tasine wrote:
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Absolutely WRONG. A woman should have no right that all Americans do not have, and THAT would rule out A******N FOR CONVENIENCE'S SAKE. If I decide I'd rather not talk with you, I can stay home, I can tell you to get lost, I can boycot everything you stand for - BUT I CANNOT K**L YOU WITHOUT STANDING TRIAL FOR MURDER.. Is that a true statement, a true question?
If a woman doesn't want the pregnancy, she had the option of having or denying sex. That's how we handled it in my day. She chose to have sex. It was her body, and she did what she chose to do with it. It was my body and I did what I wanted with it, but then, I was taught that we are responsible for our own actions. The baby is not the "mother's" body - it is the baby's body.

You people on the left go through so many contortions to try to convince people that your lies and aberrations are good - and we aren't buying that snake oil.
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We disagree and nothing can be done about it except that women have to learn how to shoot.

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Nov 26, 2013 16:05:55   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
We disagree and nothing can be done about it except that women have to learn how to shoot.

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Seems to me that men don't want equal rights with women. If she can k**l legally, why can't you?

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Nov 26, 2013 16:30:33   #
emarine
 
RetNavyCWO wrote:
I'm not sure if this topic has ever been addressed on this forum, but the couple of posts about young black men's futures being derailed by drug convictions caused me to wonder what the folks on here think about the legalization of marijuana.

Since I started it, I'll go first: I think marijuana should be legalized. The law enforcement efforts to arrest and punish users costs society way too much. Legalizing it and taxing it not only saves those dollars, it also generates needed new revenues. Plus, marijuana is actually less harmful to the body than alcohol. By all means, severely punish those who drive while under the influence, just like alcohol. But let the casual user alone; he's not harming anyone.

What do you think?
I'm not sure if this topic has ever been addressed... (show quote)


I am all for it Chief :thumbup: :thumbup: Just as long as the stoners remember to drive in the right lane and don't consume all the Oreo cookies and milk

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Nov 26, 2013 16:41:31   #
jasfourth401
 
Tasine wrote:
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I hadn't realized it is mixed with other things. Did you say that is something that was begun AFTER people started using it, or has it always been the case?


Additives come in two forms. One is the use of banned pesticides to increase yields and is the most dangerous. The other is an outgrowth of the "designer drug" craze among kids. All these awful chemical concoctions (meth, ecstasy, mdma and lord knows what else) are used to coat the pot and increase potency. The most horrifying example was down in Miami where a homeless man high on this junk gnawed off the face of another man.

These two reasons also bolster the case for legalization to keep these toxic add-ons out of this stuff.

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Nov 27, 2013 07:40:47   #
stan3186
 
I believe all drugs should be legalized and controlled where they are not laden with other chemicals that could be harmful like many of the street drugs are today.

However, this will never happen. The reason has nothing to do with morality or wh**ever, it is simply money and large investments by some very rich people and the Federal and State governments.

It has been theorized in some studies that 80% of all crimes are in some manner related to drugs or getting money to buy drugs. Makes perfect sense to decriminalize drugs and take the profit out of selling and save on the cost of prosecution and the jailing of these people right? Of course, unless you are a company that is being paid huge dollars as a privately owned prison. Unless you are a city that is arming police and hiring officers to enforce the laws. Think how many billions if not trillions of dollars are spent on "the war on drugs" and how many influential people (politicians, police unions, lawyers, judges) would be affected if the government were to actually do the right thing and legalize most if not all drugs and just go for treatment rather than punishment of the offenders.

No; taking the crime out of drugs and the street profit out of drugs makes perfect sense to the average person, but the average person is not profiting legally by all the supporting industries of the "war on drugs".

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Nov 27, 2013 08:38:19   #
Hungry Freaks
 
bmac32 wrote:
Am like you, a fence sitter. Today's marijuana is much different from my day with 100's of different chemicals mixed in. Plain Jane is not much different than drinking but today it can k**l you.

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