Ghost and a sizable part of the extremist right who post on OPP use this kind of language all the time. Bathroom talk is apparently a thing with them--almost a stereotype for them. ha. Don't expect much better from the venters. I should talk--I constantly refer to their paranoia, conspiracy fantasies, and call them "rightwingnuts"--not exactly nice. Now, "filthy-minded" is a term that can fairly be applied to Ghost and one or two others and I'm sure they wouldn't mind. That's just how they are. Wouldn't you like to have them for neighbors? na.

Ghost and a sizable part of the extremist right who post on OPP use this kind of language all the time. Bathroom talk is apparently a thing with them--almost a stereotype for them. ha. Don't expect much better from the venters. I should talk--I constantly refer to their paranoia, conspiracy fantasies, and call them "rightwingnuts"--not exactly nice. Now, "filthy-minded" is a term that can fairly be applied to Ghost and one or two others and I'm sure they wouldn't mind. That's just how they are. Wouldn't you like to have them for neighbors? na.

I received the Brundage tradecard greeting from a kind late friend who had the largest and best collection of Brundage publication. I haven't seen this image anywhere else--early 1890s publication rarely shows up. My friend co-authored a major collector book on Brundage several years ago but acquired this piece after that book. Perhaps if you can figure out the private message system with OPP, perhaps send an address for me to send a photocopy of the image to you. It is a remarkable image of the American ideal. I've thought of sending it to the State Department for use as one picture and proof of the American idea.

As you described that picture, I couldn't help but recall how we were taught in school as children that America is a "melting pot" in which people from around the world come here and turn into conforming Americans. I don't think that metaphor is used any more...and for good reason! It was more wishful thinking than reality. Yes, some melting occurs, but ethnicities who immigrate here, both today and back during the heyday of Ellis Island and before, tend to seek out their own kind and form their own communities, even if the individual members of those communities are scattered throughout society. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, either. There is nothing wrong with people being proud of their heritage, and we are a more diverse and educated society because of it. Still ... there is, and has been, a lot of bigotry and intolerance between the individual groups. I think we will eventually melt together, but we are not there yet.

As you described that picture, I couldn't help but recall how we were taught in school as children that America is a "melting pot" in which people from around the world come here and turn into conforming Americans. I don't think that metaphor is used any more...and for good reason! It was more wishful thinking than reality. Yes, some melting occurs, but ethnicities who immigrate here, both today and back during the heyday of Ellis Island and before, tend to seek out their own kind and form their own communities, even if the individual members of those communities are scattered throughout society. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, either. There is nothing wrong with people being proud of their heritage, and we are a more diverse and educated society because of it. Still ... there is, and has been, a lot of bigotry and intolerance between the individual groups. I think we will eventually melt together, but we are not there yet.

I think you are mistaken on the melting thing when you are talking most europeans. Their were many groups hostile to other groups back in the late 1800's and early 20th century that are completely gone today. I think many Asian cultures have blended into our form of capitalism quite well and today have very little problems with bigotry or r****m.

There is still a fair bit with some of the newer immigrants like
Somalians even within the Muslim community because their culture is so radically different from the majority of Americans. But they too will eventually become apart of the larger American way of life.

But the biggest question is that of African Americans. We all came here to give our children a better future including native Americans to a certain extent. But that is not the case for most African Americans. Have they made huge strides absolutely even to a point of some reverse discrimination. It's much easier getting certain jobs if your a black woman than a white male. I'm not saying this is good or bad just fact. So why ??? Why do b****s have so much higher unemployment or much lower high school graduation rates.

Go on there is an answer and a cause that must be openly addressed without fear of being called a r****t.

The government has taken socially engineered a culture devoid of personal responsibility for family, children and community. The basic human structure has broken down and until the damage is repaired there will be in equalities between most other family centric groups and those that no longer are.

This goes for w****s as well if we continue down this self destructive path.

Quite frankly I don't think I would like living in a neighborhood where Ghost and those who talk like him live. I suspect that neighborhood would have neighbors cooking meth or playing polar bear (wh**ever that is)--in fact I wouldn't be that surprised if Halloween Bugaboo and his kind were cooking meth & playing polar bear themselves.

I live in a nice middle class Green Bay neighborhood, thank you, where people do not talk filth and aren't filthy and do know right from wrong. I've lived over long periods in two rural small towns where I knew everyone and they knew me, various social class circumstances, and never once encountered that kind of talk or filthy people.

Ghost and company give a new stereotype for extreme rightwing--filthy. Sorry, that's totally unfair to most of the extreme right--unfortunately true for too many. I shouldn't stereotype, but Bugaboo has put himself in the uncouth category himself...again and again. Yuck.

By the way, this nice middle-class Green Bay neighborhood we live in had mostly Obama signs in the yards last November. Very nice conventional mainstream middle class neighborhood, thank you.

I don't get to Green Bay often once twice on my way to door county. I'm sure it's nice other than being a bit to cheesy for my Scandinavian leanings. To bad about yesterday lol.

Yes, there is a bit of over zealous extremism by many on this sight including myself at times. But i don't think Obama would have won last year had the people known the t***h about the ACA especially in WI given how many people stand with conservatives like Walker. I too lived in a nice mostly blue collar suburban neighborhood for 20 plus years. You would think they would have been more left being such a trade oriented community but it wasn't. We saw what government intrusion into our community meant and what it's effects were and you saw many more Romney than Obama. It may have been because they were the business owners rather than the employees.

Am I a right wing nut, I don't think so I just want us to continue to have the future for our children that our ancestors came here to achieve.

It is sad when I see things like this. People who have lost their p***e, people who are bitter, people who want to tarnish the last remnants of history. In this day and age, if you do not like what is written as history, simply take to your computer and rewrite it. It is simple, disregard what the history books tell, after all we all know that none of the original settlers are here to be asked, so write what you want. My family first came to these shores in 1669 and I have their diaries. Those accounts are quite different than what you find in the new and improved history books such as the one you recommend. My forefathers were not "debtor, prisons, jails and rounded up religious fanatics" they were simple people looking for a better way of life. Many people came here in the same way as my forefathers; honest people, people with p***e, dignity, and respect for each other and the land they came to call home.

Remember when you group all people together and label them, then you become no better than those who say that b****s are lazy thieves who lay around looking for their next welfare check, or those who say find an Indian and you can find a drunk, or.....I think you get the idea. Yes, there are very dark and horrible people that came to the "New World" along side of those who came for freedom. As there are very dark and horrible people that roamed Africa looking to kidnap their own kind and sell them to s***ery, and least we forget the "native American" who would toss the wives out of tribes when their husbands were k**led. And our Mexicans who participated in cannibalism. Yes. Horrible people lived and born in their place were replacements that are just as horrible. But, I am thankful that there are more good people in this world than those poor reached souls. Let us not forget, the people who settled in what is now the United States has built a nation that is generous of heart, tolerant of differences, and have done more than any other nation to improve the plight of mankind.

My recommendation, take you new and improved history books, pack your suitcase and head to someplace that you can form a sense of belonging, p***e in association, and love for the land.

I received the Brundage tradecard greeting from a kind late friend who had the largest and best collection of Brundage publication. I haven't seen this image anywhere else--early 1890s publication rarely shows up. My friend co-authored a major collector book on Brundage several years ago but acquired this piece after that book. Perhaps if you can figure out the private message system with OPP, perhaps send an address for me to send a photocopy of the image to you. It is a remarkable image of the American ideal. I've thought of sending it to the State Department for use as one picture and proof of the American idea.