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Jun 19, 2016 14:12:04   #
usewillow
 
OK I usually do not discuss religion but will ask this question. Why can't they both be correct? The Bibles all say God created the heavens and earth but none say how it was done. I have this analogy If I found a sealed cave with very old (200 plus years) with the materials and tools to make a table. Then some time later take this table to someone to date it. All the tests age of wood,tool marks, style etc would show 200 plus years but I made it a year ago so who is right? The same can be said about God and the universe. My only question is a simple one. We can assume God did cause the "Big Bang" and the heavens are still expanding but where are they expanding to or what are they expanding into? I suspect only God knows. Happy Fathers day to all.

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Jun 19, 2016 16:40:33   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
usewillow wrote:
OK I usually do not discuss religion but will ask this question. Why can't they both be correct? The Bibles all say God created the heavens and earth but none say how it was done. I have this analogy If I found a sealed cave with very old (200 plus years) with the materials and tools to make a table. Then some time later take this table to someone to date it. All the tests age of wood,tool marks, style etc would show 200 plus years but I made it a year ago so who is right? The same can be said about God and the universe. My only question is a simple one. We can assume God did cause the "Big Bang" and the heavens are still expanding but where are they expanding to or what are they expanding into? I suspect only God knows. Happy Fathers day to all.
OK I usually do not discuss religion but will ask ... (show quote)


I personally think religion is an attempt to reduce the unknowable to a comprehensible level. Organized religion is what happens after politicians and lawyers have their say.

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Jun 19, 2016 16:43:11   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Loki wrote:
I personally think religion is an attempt to reduce the unknowable to a comprehensible level. Organized religion is what happens after politicians and lawyers have their say.



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Jun 19, 2016 17:06:13   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Loki wrote:
I personally think religion is an attempt to reduce the unknowable to a comprehensible level. Organized religion is what happens after politicians and lawyers have their say.


The EU is what happens when organized religion and socialist politics get married. The Holy Roman Empire all over again.

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Jun 19, 2016 17:21:14   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
BigMike wrote:
The EU is what happens when organized religion and socialist politics get married. The Holy Roman Empire all over again.




I think you might be confused by the name "Holy Roman Empire" Mike.
Religion was only marginally a part of the power structure of the Empire, and that only in that the Emperors felt they had a divine right to rule (despite the fact that Holy Roman Emperors were chosen by the Prince-E*****rs).

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Jun 19, 2016 18:17:07   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I think you might be confused by the name "Holy Roman Empire" Mike.
Religion was only marginally a part of the power structure of the Empire, and that only in that the Emperors felt they had a divine right to rule (despite the fact that Holy Roman Emperors were chosen by the Prince-E*****rs).


In 800 AD, on Christmas Day, Pope Leo crowned Charlemagne, (who was German BTW) Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. It lasted 1000 years and brought us the Dark Ages, the Crusades and the Inquisition! Get that? The Crusades and the Inquisition! Religion "marginal"??? Millions of people have been k**led in Jesus name because of that horrible marriage. You have no idea what you're talking about.

This may be an academic exercise to you, but it won't be to the Muslims. They remember the Crusades like it happened last week

Go to Brussels to the EU headquarters in the Charlemagne Building. If you do something special for European Unity you could win the Charlemagne prize. It could be cash with Charlemagne's image on it. Forget the past (of course...one has to know it before one can forget it) and look at the present.

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Jun 19, 2016 18:23:32   #
maureenthannon
 
The big bang theory works. God said it, and BANG, it happened

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Jun 19, 2016 18:33:11   #
emarine
 
maureenthannon wrote:
The big bang theory works. God said it, and BANG, it happened


That's pretty much how we had our first kid... something about some kind of biological clock too ?

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Jun 19, 2016 19:32:05   #
ContrarianGuy Loc: NorthWest Wisconsin
 
From my point of view, whether some one believes there is a God, a multitude of Gods, a multi-dimensional universe with their own rulers who pose as the ultimate God, or simply one ultimate being responsible for all creation is a matter of one's perspective, experience, and understanding ... therefore, no one can provide a universally convincing proof of God's existence ... they can only prove it to one's self at best.

When it comes to religion, I do not care whether an individual adopts Judeo-Chrisitianity religions, Indo-Asian religions, Islam, Buddism, atheism, or agnostic (do not know what to think) .. as long as they have come to there own conclusions based on there own perspective, experience, and understanding. Every one has a right to accept what they do ... I would go so far as to say it is wrong for anyone to attempt to dissuade anyone from a honestly, sincerely obtained opinion on there essential beingness and their personal relationship to the universe as a whole ... What does it matter to you what your neighbor accepts as long as they do not impose their acceptance on you ... by this, I mean we can exchange our views of this essential beingness, experiences, and understanding that evolved from these experiences, but no one should ban such thoughts or prohibit this exchange in favor or their experiences and understanding ...

I have often found when I personally sincerely put out a question to my view of the ulitmate divinity, I do receive an answer to that question in relatively short order in the most surprising context. Now the very fact that I posed the question implies I am seeking and answer and very open to receiving what I perceive that answer to be ... but it happens over and over, and based on my disussions with
others, it appears to happen to all people regardless of their view point, experiences, and understanding. It is as if to say if one sincerely poses a question to the Universe as a whole, this Unverse will respond with an answer ... Try it for yourself ...

Everyone has a State of Accpetance—that which one, based on their view point, experiences, and understanding either fully accepts as true, or willing to accept as true and that which they can never accept as true or are unwilling to accept as true. But personal experiences can cause that State of Acceptance to change ... that is having seen something achieved they never thought could be achieved ...

I recently heard a true story of a farmer who had a gaggle of geese on his farm ... One night on returning home after some gathering in the community found a goose standing in the middle of his drive to the farm home ... One of his geese has gotten out of the Pen ... so the farmer escorted and prodded the goose into the pen with the rest of his gaggle ... the next morning, the farmer opened the pen and the geese waddled out of the barn as a group ... suddenly one of the geese started flapping its wings and flew off ... the other geese in the gaggle all turned their head and watched this goose fly off ... The farmer realized the goose he found in his drive was a wild goose, because his geese had never learned to fly ... Shortly thereafter the geese began to flap their own wings in an attempt to fly ... they eventually migrated to a rise behind the barn and would run down the hill flapping their wings until each one was able to successfully take flight ... This is a great example of how one's State of Acceptance can dramatically change ... But that's probably just for the birds ...

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Jun 20, 2016 02:16:03   #
THUNDERBOLT
 
Little Ball of H**e wrote:
I've lost count of how many times someone has said that you can't prove God exists. Usually, the same person also says you're an i***t for believing in the great sky fairy.

Well. Let's turn the tables. You cannot prove that there is life on other planets, yet the same people who belittle Christians believe in little green men from outer space.

They claim that science is on their side, yet there is not one single scrap of evidence that life exists anywhere but on this third rock from the sun. But they have faith that life exist on other planets. Why does this sound familiar? Oh, yeah! It sounds a lot like a religion. Doesn't it?
I've lost count of how many times someone has said... (show quote)


I want to interview 100 survivors from Orlando (Pulse Club Shooting)

Two questions...
1. Were you a person of faith before the terror attack?
2. If not, during the attack. did you happen have that come to Jesus moment?

I think it was Audie Murphy who said,
"I never met an atheist in a foxhole."
THUNDERBOLT



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Jun 20, 2016 02:21:05   #
Little Ball of Hate
 
THUNDERBOLT wrote:
I want to interview 100 survivors from Orlando (Pulse Club Shooting)

Two questions...
1. Were you a person of faith before the terror attack?
2. If not, during the attack. did you happen have that come to Jesus moment?

I think it was Audie Murphy who said,
"I never met an atheist in a foxhole."
THUNDERBOLT


That's been posted more than a few times, but it's still funny. I'm referring to the one about the muslim bookstore, of course.

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Jun 20, 2016 09:37:58   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
I go away for a month and come back and the same bulls**t conversations are going on.

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Jun 20, 2016 09:48:40   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
ron vrooman wrote:
I go away for a month and come back and the same bulls**t conversations are going on.


Such are the vicissitudes of life.

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Jun 20, 2016 09:58:15   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
lamentablamente (sp)



Loki wrote:
Such are the vicissitudes of life.

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Jun 20, 2016 12:07:31   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
ron vrooman wrote:
lamentablamente (sp)

Es lamentable, pero cierto.

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