Ve'hoe

Well then go back and READ the GD thing until your dope addled mind allows you to get it straight,,, your hair-brained rendition of what was said is neither coherent nor what was said,,,,

Just because you don't understand something means it didn't happen???? That is the problem with that way of thinking,,,you have too much "opinion" in your facts to the point they quit being facts.

Regardless, amoitivational syndrome boy,,,, answer the questions put to you about your spurious facts and hairbrained quotes from jesus,,,, til then you have not engaged in an honest political debate, you have lied, and you sir are a liar,,, so put up or shut up

VladimirPee

I am not a doctor but I have quite a few that are friends. Their biggest complaint is Medicare reimbursement rates which are far more abusive than private insurance and are only going to get worse due to Obama.

Ve'hoe

That is true,,, I didn't accept assignment to medicare either,,, I lost money on medicare patients and they took up the time that paying patients needed,,, and regardless of the ridiculous references to the hypocratic oath and "empathy" if you cant keep the doors open and pay the $1400 a month school loans, as well as exorbitant insurance payments you do no good for anyone,,, medicine is a business too, and you have huge bills to pay,, that you cant pay on the pennies medicare wants to reimburse, not to mention all the paperwork and computer mandated security crap with no assistance from the govt to pay it off..

Hungry Freaks

Actually, it comes from the Book of Revelations. The Book of James also says something quite similar. While he never may have uttered the words, Jesus hung out with the poor-he disliked the Pharisees and other holier than thou types. And he did say "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."

Again, I wonder just what kind of doctor you are...all the "drug addled mind" ..."lying dope smoking ass"" and other name calling. I will go about as far as I go and repeat that you are in insensitive jerk... met a few doctors who were, although not quite to this degree. And I've never had a doctor claim i was an active drug user without any clinical indication of such use. Not only is it insensitive and defamatory, it's just plain rude and unbecoming of honest political dialogue. And it doesn't meet the standard of "first do no harm."

Back in the day, 40-45 years ago, it was a different story. I did my share. But I've been sober and straight for decades now, since June 16, 1988 to be exact. And you? You hit the bottle at all? Career marines (and I'm not saying you're a career marine-Chesty your certainly not) were some of the biggest boozers I've ever seen. And doctors are some of the biggest drug users and/or drug pushers I've ever seen. Even in the 'nam it was the navy corpsmen, the men we affectionately called "Doc," who handed out fistfuls of benzedrine- enough to get us up the next hill no matter what the resistance. Smoke weed in the field? No way-had to keep our s**t strapped tight. Benzedrine,provided to us by the powers that were, helped us keep our s**t strapped plenty tight on more than a few frightful nights.

And how did you serve 10 years in the crotch and still rack up all those medical school bills? Back in the day, many a doctor or lawyer got the full float to go to med school or law school through the military. They were called National Defense Grants at the time. As recently as the 1980s I know young men and women who got the full float through their military service. Must be a different military these days.

Instead of questioning one's state of mind, refute the argument. You are writing more coherently, but you still ramble, swearing to God knows how many gods and all. Gotta wonder.

And I gotta wonder what type of MD or DO spends so much time pontificating on the 'net. Most have their own platform in an hospital or clinic that occupies most of their time. maybe your a VA doctor or something-Lord knows its been a while since I was at the VA in Wilmington or Philly. Me, I'm just a humble man trying to make it day to day. I don't have patients who depend on me or a nursing staff that awaits my every command. I've got just a few part-time jobs-writing for the trades, selling books and watching the store on weekends.

You know, I'll stick with Blade Runner and the others. While we disagree, even to the point of name calling, at least Blade will settle down to engage in honest dialogue without questioning the motives of another. Even Dennis the Menace or Cesspool Jones are oracles of wisdom and civility compared to you. You've really pissed me off royally with this gutter talk, defamatory nonsense and self-righteous indignation. The Pharisees certainly got nothing on you. Trying to engage in civil discourse with you is, well, trying to pass a camel through the eye of a needle.

Once again, semper fi to you, too.

trucksterbud

Just to straighten it out for any with misconceptions, the ObamaCare question about constitutionality as debated in the Supreme Court (4 opposed and 4 in favor with Justice Roberts casting the deciding v**e) was about the feds ability to force people to buy a product from a third party, usurping the States sovereignty to decide for themselves on their own. Justice Thomas and Alito made comments on this issue that the feds had no authority to do the healthcare mandate as it bypassed the States sovereignty, and Pres Obummer (liar in chief) did not have the authority to issue Executive Orders or P**********l Mandates applying to the general population, which had already been decided in the past by several other court rulings. Also, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have a CONFLICT OF INTEREST issue going on as it is pretty clear they have HUGE investment portfolios in the health care industries, and considering how hard those two are pushing for the implementation of their ObummerCare trainwreck there is a very valid reason for this trust me on that one. Want to know the real reason for the ACA, ??? Its about profit. Check the links below for more info.

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Ve'hoe

Once again,,, when did we ever have a civil conversation? You start out railing against "right righties" and are VERY liberal with the insults, and you mean to be. You disregard any questions put to you (when they were actually civilly put to you) and keep on haranguing with improper facts, slander, and one side political speak. If you had paid attention to the questions, (which is what you do in a conversation) then the points would have been clarified, that is if you want input from someone actually in the business who could explain to you the errors in your argument that are the points tripping you up and of course making your argument spurious.
How I knew you were a doper? 2 things, the rambling association of random facts to support an unrelated conclusion,,, if you had discussed any of it I would have identified to you,, but you didn't and probably wont, because secondly,,,, dopers tend to get on philosophical rants and d**g in religion and education/work like you have to insult the others,, rather than actually face the conversation and learn anything, and it is usually unrelated (as in this case) because it makes "SENSE" to them, and everyone is not quite as smart as they are, because EVERYONE hasn't seen the light and smoked dope like they have. I can clinically hear it through a phone line, which is what dopers can seem to get, IT DOES AFFECT YOU!!

Everything that you are wondering in your current "soliloquy" has been explained already,, so yeah,,, it does anger we when someone just continues to spit on my position, call me names, and insinuate that I'm and i***t all the while making huge mistakes in his factual data and arguments, then demands to have 2 days worth of writing explained again to him personally. I read every drop or what you wrote, you didn't show me the same respect, and still aren't, so yeah,,, from my time in the Jarheads, I would have jacked up someone who did what you did.

You claim aggrieved status, yet make remarks about my service as "Chesty your not" as though you were, so I reminded you of three things, I volunteered, I went to three wars, I didnt repeat the mistakes of drugs and alcohol, and I didnt lose. You started that one, and got punched in the nose fair and square. You want to back off and apologize and start over fine, I will too. But you have called into question my service, my honor, my education, and my career,,, and you know you did it, and you MEANT to do it,, no hiding behind the bible, that would make you a hypocrite.

However, I am friendlier than you think, so I will try one last time, with my life story for you and you alone.

I was born in 1960, father was in nam x3. I went to college in the 70's premed, got bored took a chemistry degree and went to fly for the USMC, got out, finished school stayed in the reserves,,,,as a FAC in Tanks and infantry, went into business and stayed in reserves (switched services) but never as a Doctor,,,cause I had a civilian practice after hours,,,yeah I worked my ass off, there I learned that insurance is to medical practice what a credit card is to an oil company, an agreement between some person and a funding entity who makes another agreement with the oil company about how they will pay your bill. Medical insurance is the same. Then I got close enough to get a full ride active retirement, so I decided to give up the practice and finish the mil career and they sent me to Afghanistan to replace a dead commander. There, I got injured in an IED accident, spinal chord injury that developed slowly, (No I didnt get blown up) and began to lose feeling and control of my hands (ergo I am not working now while recovering from a 3 level surgery) part of my therapy is the coordinated use of my hands and fingers ie typing so yeah I spend a lot of time on line,,,, also, until I recover, the other drs have to approve of my progress to get my credentialing back....


Alcohol: Yep I drank hard in the USMC, got a DUI,, fortunately it was one of the FEW times when I actually had only 2 drinks,, at dinner. Got busted, and realized that I was actually drunk driving, and not just buzzed, and it wasn't ok, so I stopped (driving) that is,, not drinking, but I take a taxi and NEVER get behind the wheel after drinking anything! The USMC is merciless on ARI alcohol related incidents, and remanded me to 3 years of AA. In AA I learned a lot about drunks and druggies. First "They" defile themselves, and then go about trying to justify it by smearing everyone else. As if "If everyone else is weak and has a problem then it is OK for me to be the way I am." Secondly,,, " It is a disease and I cant help it.." which is just a lie. One of our leaders, (the worst of the worst drunks/druggies) a paroled felon, whom no one could tell anything,,,predicted that everyone would "do it again" I actually believed that he worked very hard to keep people there, I don't believe he wanted anyone to get better and conquer alcohol or drug dependence cause it was his "kingdom" Thirdly,, other than alcohol, the only difference between an AA mtg and a Bar is the booze, they are still h*****g out with drunks, still crying in their (coffee) and still wallowing in the slime of that lifestyle. I got up, told them that I would NEVER be back, and never have. I learned my lesson,, the paroled felon,, said "You'll be back" so yeah, I know about addictions and treatments and I also know about free will and strength of character. So to have you call mine into question makes me damned angry, what makes me even angrier is for you to act like you didnt and claim you have been unfairly abused, you haven't.

So I am now waiting and going through the VA system too. I am recovering the control and function of my hands, arms, and neck.

Full Float:??? Another insult to people who qualify for a program the govt sponsored? Isnt that what you are trying to do with ACA? Why are they less than honorable and you are purportedly already seated at the right hand of Jesus?
"Must be a different military these days"???? Sure is and it is better,,,,I know why.

I am not rambling,,,, it is your ability to piece together someone elses argument that is the problem,,, I have had to really simplify and explain subjects to you, that you brought up, but only have a layman's understanding of and apparently no desire to learn,, if I am wrong and you want to actually discuss something then I will if not I am no poorer.

I have refuted your argument several times, and been ignored, no one paid for my schooling I took out loans and am attempting to pay them back. I have paid $1400 a month for the past 16 years to federal school loans and still owe the same principle,,,,I invested a ton of money in education, to get a good paying job, and now the govt wants to break the bank. All I have asked from this country is to have the opportunity to make my way and pay my way. When the country called, no matter what I was doing, I dropped it and picked up my rifle again and again and again. You spent 24 months,,, I spent 30 years, and ended up pretty high on the totem pole. But, I spent my time too as an a-- in the grass Jarhead and I have a limit and a temper too,,,I don't like people who disguise their insults and yet ladle them on heavily which is exactly what you do and did. So don't patronize me with your brand of Christianity, which you use when your wit and wisdom fail, s a weapon, which is not what it is for.

Like I said,, you have not engaged in an "Honest and civil discussion" yet....want to try,,, I will but I wont take your abuse and crawl back for more,,,if you are interested in going over the initial objections I had (you should to clarigy your position on ACA) I will go over them with you, but I don't accept you point of view because I do KNOW the errors in your argument. I really "Pissed you off????" And what do you think you did to me?

So intead of questioning my integrity, education, military background, sk**ls, career, and "empathy", religion, why don't you refute the "arguments" that were mere questions when asked, but festered due to your ignoring them, were peppered with your insults, and finally ended up as anger?

cordiale

is anyone aware in what direction our country is going? if any one should ask me"we`r going back words,and down straight to hell. we`r a bankrupt nation politically,and financially. We can`t pin point the finger to one person. Has for me to say,two football teams apposing one another in the white house? by human nature, it will never work. My suggestion? the loosing party should go home, and get a job,and go to work. I do have much more to say, maybe next time. PS: Please remember! I said by human nature will never work. thank you

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Good morning....The name calling I did was uncalled for and I should have had more restraint..I admire your background and hard work..The student loan problem is horrible, my son has the same problem, He is a Lawyer and will be paying his $100 grand all his life...A true ball and chain...Good times to you, recover well and enjoy, you deserve that..Simper Fi, Do or die....

Ve'hoe

It will work,,, just not well,,, and it was "meant" to work that way,,, if you read the federalist papers,,, the founders created this nightmare to insure that the federal govt could NOT move quickly, because governments until that point, when they moved quickly, moved to ens***e the populace. Which is kind of what we see now,,, we "think" we are are tying things up nicely, but what we are actually doing is tying a noose around our neck,, but then again, we were warned by the founding fathers that this Would happen... welcome by the way

Ve'hoe

Oh, thank you,,, and my sincerest apologies back. Like I said before,,,, I am highly educated,,,, very cool and all that, but I will never shake the a-s in the grass marine temper and flare ups!! I have a limit,,, and unfortunately you stepped on the mine,, but it was not you who caused it, and I felt bad all night about the interaction with you. Still not sure how I feel about the other guy, I still have that "jarhead" 'I want to and like to fight" thing going on,,,,that is why I am not a big hit on the golf course with other Dr's..... I prefer to reload ammo and shoot guns (Hell I think it is actually cheaper than Golf, and those guys sure come off the greens PO'd!!)
So yes,,, I do apologize and hope to see you around here,,,sorry for the blast!!
Hope your son gets out from under that load,,, it is crippling and frankly I think the worst most racial, and most vicious money grabbing useless industry in America is the College education system,,, proffessors,, are not producing the product that kids are paying for,,, and in that way they are robbing them, when they are too young to know better,,, with the govt taking the reins on loans the govt will have them by the debt strings and control them... it isn't good and it was excellently planned and executed

Hungry Freaks

Hey, I've taken all of your "points" and either agreed or offered evidence to the contrary. It's called the art of rhetoric, from which I will depart to finish any attempt got get something other than a nasty, snide, pharisaical reply And "right righty isn't an insult-its a tag for the right wing of the right wing part--tea party of the Republican Party-right of right. Or right, as in correct-is that an insult to you? It isn't an insinuation of drug use, metal torpor, moral shortcoming-none of those things you use regularly in you posts.

Even Dennis knows how to make a point-he corrected me on what year Vietnam had the most KIAs, albeit with an insult thrown in for good measure. . I was only there for a little less than two months in 1969 so I guess it was a mistake to think it was as bad the entire 12. Thanks Dennis.

I did call you a jerk and will do so again. "Drug addled" "doper" and "lying dope smoking ass" just doesn't quite add up to an empathetic doctor and former marines talking to another former marine. Only a jerk would utter such stuff. Only a super jerk doctor would do the same. And most doctors know that marijuana isn't nearly as bad as alcohol.

And to suggest I should still be going to the VA? Maybe the VA facilities are better in your area, and you do hit some great doctors in the VA-if your lucky. Most of the staff is overworked and unable to keep up with the workload. And besides, all that could be done for my arm and hand has been done. I'm being treated for injuries from an auto accident which occurred long after 1969, which is covered by an auto policy.

And yeah, I wonder about your military career. Started with the air marines and went back to some other MOS? I guess., even though after having gone to the considerable expense of training you to fly, say million dollars or more, they usually keep you in the seat, left or right, depending on your hours logged.

And telling me "you lost the war" isn't something that would ever come from the lips of anyone who went through USMC boot camp much less 10 years serving with what I've got to assume included some 'nam vets. The Marines in Vietnam did everything they were told to do, always against an enemy force bigger than the one sent to engage them. It wasn't pretty, but we lost no battles in Vietnam. Fought some to a draw, took on terrible casualties, but not one battle lost.

I've since gone to "command visits" at Parris Island and seen the gallery that includes the corps history in Vietnam. And I've seen boots getting it drilled into their heads that the Corps has always, always done its job. Again, no marine or former marine would make such a statement that "you lost the war." Maybe an ex-marine would.

So semper fi once again to you, jerk doctor pilot-ground troop commader. Or, as Jesus said 'get thee from me, Satan.' Read the Bible-it may give you a different perspective on how you treat people or complain about not getting paid what you think you should be paid as a healer.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Good morning, Dennis...the $2500 went by the wayside some time ago, was said would really be $2000 or a little less...That looks like something that cant be true..30 million uninsured, I am not sure of the number, but your stats are usually correct..what is needed for the law to work is enrollment by the young and healthy. But getting them to do so seems as difficult as getting the website to function..But I wonder if keeping your parents insurance until age 26 could influence this..So at age 27 do most people then have a family and the need to provide coverage for loved ones? In that case many more would be likely to buy coverage then they would have at say 20 years of age..So much of this ACA seems dumb..I think some things were badly in need of fixing, denial of cover of pre-existing conditions, life time limits, drug costs..if these thing only had been addressed, we would have seen much more acceptance.. The law tries to fix some parts that are not even broken and the medication cost not at all.. Maybe they should have looked at tort reform more closely..But do not forget, the health care problem has been an issue for decades and something needed to be done. I hope and believe that this will be worked out and is going to be an improvement for the nation..

Ve'hoe

Nailed you,,,,apparently,,,, the problem is that in elementary psychology the dissembling and deflecting are hallmarks of an addictive mentality,,, that is how I spotted you, and diagnosed you,,, then of course the “I can hide it” thing is pretty apparent too, and is kind of indicative of current use. Not hard to do. But like I said,, I did my time in AA too, and like they say, “you cant fool a fooler” and wh**ever you do,,even though the addicted person cries and writhes on the floor,,, you DO NOT EVER get recruited into their story and excuse, and that is what you tried to do with me. A bit more sophisticated, I will give you that, which may mean you don’t currently use,,,, but you retain the signs of passive aggressive attacking. For instance: “Oh I don’t know why you think I insulted you,,,except that you are a crummy pilot who got grounded and had to change MOS’s…” certainly no insult there right!?!

You haven't refuted anything I have said,,, if so show me!!
Just because you repeat what you said, and provide more unrelated "facts/quotes" as you see them or wish they actually occurred is not refuting anything... rhetoric,,,, OK,,, but that means a back and forth and I don't believe you have established yourself on a higher level than me......

Then you attribute Karl Marx quotes to Jesus, and then defend it ,,, even though it is not a correct quote, but of course someone like me (lower than a Pharisea,) couldn’t possibly understand the bible. But then that is another sign of addiction, this “USING” of the bible to support your behavior,,,,saying it says things it doesn’t to support your actions,,,, but of course I am the pharisee right? No insult there right? At least not one that someone so beneath a mental giant like you would be able to get.

You haven’t refuted anything, you dump more spurious data and facts, and bible verses as “you” t***slate them, incorrectly I might add, and then insult and stomp off saying the conversation is over, but you have not even started the conversation when you lie, misquote, and misrepresent,,,, what worse should we consider about you if , when called on it, you refuse to discuss, insult and deride? In the last two posts you have merely said the same thing over and over.

As far as the marine to marine insults, you got punched in the nose fair and square,,, for insults and arrogance, don’t like it? Tough! Tell the t***h and actually talk instead of “pontificate” one-sidedly….

Like I have said, you have insulted everything about me,,, my service, my flight record, my career, my education, and my honor,,, now you want to cry when I hit you back…???? WTFO

If you want to calm down and talk I will, but you cannot claim aggrieved status, and out of the side of your mouth continue insulting and deriding.

I don't know why you are not able to follow or comprehend my career. In everything I did, I excelled. I did wh**ever I wanted, whenever I wanted and the service rewarded me for my effort. I was allowed to fly, and did so for several years, then moved into a reserve MOS of Pay and finance of all things,,, I excelled and was picked up by the Infantry Col for the Regt Air Shop and given a FAC job,,, in tanks, Arty, and Infantry, mortars and TOWS from there I went on to Satellite work, Flight instructor, and UAS instructor. The military HAS Changed a lot,,,, it isn’t what you were in,,, we have huge Combined Combatant Commands now where all services sit and strategize and plan. No more miscommunications if at all possible. It is extremely more complex than the viet nam era. I never went through anything like the A-shau valley,, but was careful to study it and not repeat the mistakes,,,, of Vietnam,, the biggest mistake,,,, drugs and alcohol with a war mixer. However, I don’t like to hear from old guys who act like if you didn’t serve where I served then you didn’t really do a job. That isn’t the case, and I don't act like that to my students and juniors, their world will change and they must adapt, everyone gets his own turn at bat. I did a lot of jobs and at each one I excelled and was promoted. But of course your weren’t really insulting me there either were you?

I even provided you a copy of the hippocratic oath where it doesn't say what you say it does,,,no answer... and of course ZERO abut empathy,,,,

You have the right to VA medical care, but refuse to use it, although you have been counted in the numbers for its funding, instead preferring to get tax payer funded medical insurance!?! So you are double dipping and feel obliged to do so!?! I find that ingenuous,, you are taking money out of other peoples mouths,,, and I cannot understand why you feel you have that right?? You want your rights and to save your money, by taking it from everyone else!?! Reducing what a Dr makes and yet not paying for it anyway is stealing... and yet you do so at the expense of our children and grandchildren AND WE are the badguys, even though we have already provided medical care for everything you need,,, but of course the Dr's at the VA suck,,, no insults there right?

So do you want to go over some of the things or not? If not, no loss, I found out what I wanted about you. And the relationship will stand as it is now,,, for as long as we cross paths...

Ve'hoe

It really hurts you to encounter someone who you cant bully in any arena, military, education, politics or religion and one whom wont buy into the "empathy" for your euphemistic "dis-ease" of abuse doesn't it?

Ve'hoe

Ladies and Gentlemen,,, I just busted a phony. I believe is about as genuine as a square quarter. At first I thought Hungry Freaks was just a typical A-motivational syndrome case from heavy drug usage, but I now doubt that. And why I do is the unwillingness to address the specific facts he has spuriously produced as well as the fallacies of his Christian beliefs that I believe we are all warned about.

As far as his marine background,,,,, if you want 'Freaks' you can give me your name and ssn on the PM’s and I can look up your citation,,,, if you don’t want to do that WHY NOT!?! It is what you are asking us to do in the ACA with the IRS. So,,, “semperfi-buddy” I am beginning to wonder about you now and claims of the a-shau valley action and a silver star,, there cant be too many of those in the USMC,,,,,

In the Bible it also states (and I am paraphrasing) about false prophets who will preach an alternate gospel. Freaks couldn’t separate Jesus from Karl Marx, alarm sign one. Then several other “Biblical Quotes” blunders that weren’t really quotes and it became clearer that the man has only a superficial grasp of all of the subjects that he was trying to pass off as the t***h. The problem with that was that his ideas are “collective salvation” not what is addressed in the bible,,, I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a while but it became clear that his intent is either to convince you that he is worthy of pity and charity and more importantly that he was entitled to “empathy” (not the same as sympathy) and gave examples of people “helping” him polish his story where the veneer was to thin to go into much detail, as the kind of people he “preferred” to talk with. Well no wonder they don’t call you on your BS!! And I gave you several chances to discuss civilly and you didn’t take them.

He gave out medical facts about birth/death rates etc that are factual, then through in the Affordable Care Act sales pitches trying to relate the ideas as though the ACA would fix things, like birth death data and medical studies and discoveries merely through association. But the discussion he wouldn’t enter into is that the ACA is just govt insurance, it isn’t medical care. It is insurance, it will actually squash medical studies and make the data worse because the money will dry up. Then I tried to get him to discuss reimbursement rates and he shied away. Tried to get him to realize and discuss that the Govt would have to, in c*******t fashion,,order the Dr’s to take medicare and medicaid,,, and lo and behold on another post I see where they are attempting to do that in Virginia at this very moment. Still no discussion. Folks this isn’t a joke or a scare tactic it IS happening! And he doesn’t want an insurance person between him and his Dr,,, but he will accept an IRS agent!?!

I tried to get him to discuss the fact that he already has medical care via the VA if his story of injuries is true, but he attacked my career,,,,, which I laid on the line three times….. nothing. The reality is, if he was a Christian he would take what he is owed, but is instead going after more, and trying to convince you that through his military background and patriotism that this is a wonderful, Christian thing to do. Even stating (paraphrasing him again) that “ what we do to the least of these is how we will be treated by Jesus/Karl Marx,,,,,or some rendition of that. The problem with that is it is partially true as some diehard libs here have said,,, you SHOULD be charitable to the poor and downtrodden,,, however that ends when the “charity” is demanded. His discussion is more like a white house talking points letter, selling Obama care than the real discussion he was trying to have. It is clear that in some cases our “charity” has become a trap. Teaching a man to fish is great,,,, but if the guy comes back every day without his pole, without his hook, without his bait then he is using you, and your charity is more deserved elsewhere, like to a young woman with kids and no husband. Once Charity has become a political “TRAP” like it has now in the progressive political world it will and is being used on those in it, and those who provide it (the taxpayer) This guy has VA medical,,, yet wants to bilk the taxpayer for more, so he doesn’t have to be uncomfortable or go out of his way,,,NOT a Christian attitude or attribute, that is stealing if you really are a Christian.

This is the kind of guy we have to be on guard against,,,, this is a progressive, a parasite, that has made liberalism the dying ideology it is…liberalism was good once! He isn’t liberal he is progressive. He has a very superficial command of a lot of subjects that somehow so amazingly all lead back to a glowing happy feel-good idea, so strangely coincidental with the rollout of Obama care even taking time to start out his diatribe with complaints about people decrying the “rollout” and not the law,,,,, obviously he isn’t listening. But in reality, the progressive charity, is a poison and a trap baited by nice sounding ideas like charity for all, and Christianity for all, salvation for all, but behind it: the fist with hammer and sickle of c*******m.
Don’t fall for these guys, they are charletons and the bible calls them wolves in sheeps clothing,,,,

Still, if he comes back and discusses,,, I will reverse what I think,,, but it isn’t likely, I think I got him pegged dead to rights,,,, that is why he is angry and stomping off.