lone_ghost Loc: Wisconsin

The liberals and Obama supporters seem to be conspicuously quite on the whole Obamacare subject as of late.

rumitoid

Not quiet but attacking.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

It will work. The present insurance companies will see to that.

They will keep raising the rates until the rates from ACA start to look good.

Or perhaps they will find out if they wish to stay in business they will come up with better rates.

Believe me Insurance companies will survive. Over all health care will improve. People will adjust.

Hungry Freaks

exactly right, criticizing the roll out, but not the law. Any large program, governmental or otherwise, is going to have kinks in the roll out.

But the right Righties seem to think this proves the entire law is unworkable, refusing the look at those who have signed up via telephone or actual written applications.

The right Righties are terribly afraid the the American public will like the law that prevents the insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions or protects "health care consumers" from arbitrary denial of coverage for wh**ever reason the insurance companies come up with.

Problem with the ACA is that it doesn't go far enough. It doesn't establish a pool made up of all citizens. It only perpetuates the current system where the government provides coverage for the old, the very poor and the very sick, leaving the relatively healthy for private insurers. Only way to cut health care costs is to expand the pool of insured to include the young, the employed and the relatively healthy along with the old, the very poor and very sick.

Every other developed nation on the face of the earth has some sort of universal health care. It hasn't broken their economies-in fact the US has tried to use Canada's universal system as an "unfair trade advantage" in the NAFTA debate. In what is the only truly bi-partisan efforts, both parties in Congress passed the agreement although Canada got their health care system removed as an "unfair trade advantage."

Wake up people. Its time to act in the self interest of those who pay taxes and get little in return except for a huge military and subsidies for the very rich and the very poor. (the former getting the lions share while the later get mere crumbs.) This system offers nothing to you except looming peonage and a health care system that is the most expensive in the world yet only offers Third World health care outcomes. (tied for 17th with Costa Rica.)

Is this what you want-the status quo> If so, support your local republicans, democrats and tea party types.

lone_ghost Loc: Wisconsin

Or just confused and need to re-group for a minute in order to get more indoctrination to follow. They have to wait until jay Carney tells them what to say.

Hungry Freaks

I haven't been quiet at all-I've said we need universal health care run by a private- non-profit regulated by the federal government, just like old Ma Bell.

The ACA is nothing but a sop to health insurance companies that already don't have to cover the very old, the very poor and very sick, who hare covered by government programs. the ACA will just force more younger health people to get private health insurance through state "markets."

We already have socialized medicine. The only problem is that one needs to be old, poor or sick to get that government health care. The rest of us have to deal with the insurance companies getting between our doctors and us.

No quiet at all. Just not hearing any credible dialogue on what our health care system should be.

freeperson

Do away with insurance and prices will drop. I have known several MDs through the the years that would charge 60% less if you paid cash. One reason heath care is so expensive is the medical billing industry. Obamacare does absolutely no good. If you sign up you better do some research to make sure that your area hospitals and doctors will except your Obamacare coverage.

DASHY

Obamacare is an act of congress, not an insurance company. Hospitals and Docs will still have to deal with insurance companies for payment. Remove the administrative and considerable profit portion from the insurance premium cost, adapt medicare for all, and watch the overall cost go down and quality of care rise.

Mert

Pre existing conditions? Any of 'em? Try to get any insurance company to sell you a life insurance policy on a corpse. Now, as an insurer, would you invest in such a venture? How about a policy on someone with acavanced AIDS? Tuberculosis? Tetanus? Obamacare is a recipe for financial insolvency. That's what Nancy meant about finding out "What's in it."

Mert

Mert

Dashy, Insurance compaies make their profits from invested premiums. Government does not make profits at all, ecept for the enormous opportunities for politicians to milk the taxpayers in order to get re-elected.

Mert

VladimirPee

Inept at roll out is indicative of the future. It's like boarding a jet and seeing flames shoot out from the engines before take off and you ask " did anyone inspect the jet? What else is wrong?

So far this is what we know
1) Obama lied when he said ACA was ready to be rolled out
2) Obama lied when he said you could keep your insurance
3) Obama lied when he said you could keep your doctor
4) Obama lied when he said you would save $2500
5) Obama did not lie about i******s not getting Obamacare but he did begin a major push for amnesty as soon as ACA was rolled out. THEN they will get fully subsidized healthcare.

Mert

In "Every other developed nation", if you require surgery, you will wait patiently until it's convenient for the politcal machine to operate. Even here, in our backward country, at least in my own case, when I need medical attention, it's avaliabble in a matter of hours, and top-notch, as well. I'm on medicare, and have state (MA) appproved insurance as well. Still have copays. Just my personal experience, to be sure.

Mert

DASHY

Mert. I agree with you. Insurance companies profit twice. First, they realize PROFIT from an excess of premiums (REVENUES) over claims paid out (EXPENSES), AND SECOND ON INVESTING THESE EXCESS REVENUES.

As you point out, Government (non profit) run medical coverage would be able to charge lower premiums to individuals. I also agree with you that MEDICARE FOR ALL is the lower cost, less complicated, more efficient way to cover all Americans..

VladimirPee

All the insurance company profits added together don't even come close to the $500 billion medicare waste and fraud
Despite the propaganda being pushed by the left Medicare is not less expensive to operate

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Who sends in the bills & just who ends up with the wasted money.