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Oct 14, 2013 11:52:43   #
carolyn
 
dhelix33 wrote:
For the dark money and puppeteers behind conservative politicians, anonymity is the preferred state and any publicity is inherently - especially if they fund extremist politicians or schemes to shut down the government. News reports abound that the billionaire oil magnates the Koch brothers funded the culprits behind the still-ongoing government shut down. The Koch's finally spoke out in a letter to Senators claiming their innocence and denying they had any part in teabagger and Republican machinations to hold the government hostage in exchange for k*****g the Affordable Care Act.

The Koch brothers’ letter claimed they had no part or took no position “on the legislative tactic of tying the continuing resolution to defunding ObamaCare nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defunding ObamaCare.”

But like their Republican lackeys in congress; they are filthy liars. The Koch-funded FreedomWorks issued a letter in February 2013 that said, “Conservatives should not approve a CR unless it defunds Obamacare. This includes Obamacare’s unworkable exchanges, unsustainable Medicaid expansion, and attack on life and religious liberty.” If paying a surrogate to demand Republicans and teabaggers tie defunding the Affordable Care Act to keeping the government operating is not taking a position on the government shutdown and the continuing resolution, then the Sun rises in the West and the Earth orbits the moon.

Herein lies the rub... There is a statute in the U.S. Code that does apply to the Koch brothers and every other conservative that spent the past three years attempting to prohibit implementation of the Affordable Care Act and it is a legitimate and actionable offense the DOJ can prosecute with extreme prejudice. In 18 USC § 2384 – S*******s conspiracy, it plainly says; “If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires to oppose by force the authority of, or prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.” For the Americans affected by the government shut down, and those who live in Republican states that rejected free Medicaid expansion written in the Affordable Care Act, it is highly likely they would support fining and imprisoning the Koch brothers for twenty years.

Americans have put up with criminal s******n from the Kochs and Republicans for too long and they cannot be held to a different standard or above the law because they are rich and powerful. In fact, their violation of the U.S. Code may well be the easiest, and only, means of stopping their continued assault on America’s representative democracy. Obviously the Koch brothers were rattled by charges they were behind the government shutdown through their funding efforts to hold the government hostage in exchange for eliminating the ACA or they would not have written a letter lying about their involvement. But they, their think tanks, PACs, and cohort in Congress and the states cannot deny they are guilty of s*******s conspiracy to “oppose the authority of, or prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States” and no American should be satisfied until they are fined or imprisoned for twenty years. If there is any justice left in this corrupt nation, they will get both.

The fact that states v**ed to arrest federal officials attempting to enforce the health law, coupled with the growing threats of armed violence against the government due to the health law’s enactment meets the definition of “by force” originally omitted in the U.S. Code’s description. By definition, a conspiracy means the Teabagger planners, inciters, and funders are guilty the same as Osama bin Laden was guilty for recruiting, planning, and funding al Qaeda terrorists who flew commercial airliners into American buildings.
For the dark money and puppeteers behind conservat... (show quote)


What I cannot understand is why blame anyone for implementing the refusal of Obamacare when every poll ever taken shows that the PEOPLE wanted it defunded. It is there for all to see. A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT WANT OBAMACARE. And I have understood all my life that we the people should tell the government our public servants what we the majority want. But somewhere along the line that has all changed to we the people have to do the biding of they the government. Tell me where I am wrong on this assumption?

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Oct 14, 2013 17:02:53   #
faithistheword
 
carolyn wrote:
What I cannot understand is why blame anyone for implementing the refusal of Obamacare when every poll ever taken shows that the PEOPLE wanted it defunded. It is there for all to see. A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THEY DO NOT WANT OBAMACARE. And I have understood all my life that we the people should tell the government our public servants what we the majority want. But somewhere along the line that has all changed to we the people have to do the biding of they the government. Tell me where I am wrong on this assumption?
What I cannot understand is why blame anyone for i... (show quote)




You're not wrong--dhelix just believes every democrat is believable, and every Republican lies. Kind of a mixed up soul.

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Oct 14, 2013 19:03:45   #
LAwrence
 
Again! The whole diatribe about a shutdown is a pack of lies. There is only a cut back in spending. No need to shut anything down.

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Oct 14, 2013 19:14:51   #
TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
 
rumitoid wrote:
Could you give the site where you obtained this information.


Here's what I find through Googling it.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/government-shutdown-was-planned-for-months-by-ed-meese-koch-bros/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOjnryzzIn4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQe-RshwGs&feature=share&list=UURVno4GDsO4Fs2lLAHGKfkQ

For what it's worth, compelling, but inconclusive.

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Oct 14, 2013 23:01:30   #
carolyn
 
LAwrence wrote:
Again! The whole diatribe about a shutdown is a pack of lies. There is only a cut back in spending. No need to shut anything down.


And now that they know that the one's put on extended leave with pay are not critical, or even in no way valuable to the operation of the government, they should dismiss them without pay as everyone else is dismissed in the real world. Why should these proven worthless dead weights get retro pay when they have been getting a paycheck for months for being excess baggage?

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Oct 16, 2013 00:06:18   #
larry
 
dhelix33 wrote:
For the dark money and puppeteers behind conservative politicians, anonymity is the preferred state and any publicity is inherently - especially if they fund extremist politicians or schemes to shut down the government. News reports abound that the billionaire oil magnates the Koch brothers funded the culprits behind the still-ongoing government shut down. The Koch's finally spoke out in a letter to Senators claiming their innocence and denying they had any part in teabagger and Republican machinations to hold the government hostage in exchange for k*****g the Affordable Care Act.
claimed they had no part or took no position “on the legislative tactic of tying the continuing resolution to defunding ObamaCare nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defunding ObamaCare.”

But like their Republican lackeys in congress; they are filthy liars. The Koch-funded FreedomWorks issued a letter in February 2013 that said, “Conservatives should not approve a CR unless it defunds Obamacare. This includes Obamacare’s unworkable exchanges, unsustainable Medicaid expansion, and attack on life and religious liberty.” If paying a surrogate to demand Republicans and teabaggers tie defunding the Affordable Care Act to keeping the government operating is not taking a position on the government shutdown and the continuing resolution, then the Sun rises in the West and the Earth orbits the moon.

Herein lies the rub... There is a statute in the U.S. Code that does apply to the Koch brothers and every other conservative that spent the past three years attempting to prohibit implementation of the Affordable Care Act and it is a legitimate and actionable offense the DOJ can prosecute with extreme prejudice. In 18 USC § 2384 – S*******s conspiracy, it plainly says; “If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspires to oppose by force the authority of, or prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.” For the Americans affected by the government shut down, and those who live in Republican states that rejected free Medicaid expansion written in the Affordable Care Act, it is highly likely they would support fining and imprisoning the Koch brothers for twenty years.

Americans have put up with criminal s******n from the Kochs and Republicans for too long and they cannot be held to a different standard or above the law because they are rich and powerful. In fact, their violation of the U.S. Code may well be the easiest, and only, means of stopping their continued assault on America’s representative democracy. Obviously the Koch brothers were rattled by charges they were behind the government shutdown through their funding efforts to hold the government hostage in exchange for eliminating the ACA or they would not have written a letter lying about their involvement. But they, their think tanks, PACs, and cohort in Congress and the states cannot deny they are guilty of s*******s conspiracy to “oppose the authority of, or prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States” and no American should be satisfied until they are fined or imprisoned for twenty years. If there is any justice left in this corrupt nation, they will get both.

The fact that states v**ed to arrest federal officials attempting to enforce the health law, coupled with the growing threats of armed violence against the government due to the health law’s enactment meets the definition of “by force” originally omitted in the U.S. Code’s description. By definition, a conspiracy means the Teabagger planners, inciters, and funders are guilty the same as Osama bin Laden was guilty for recruiting, planning, and funding al Qaeda terrorists who flew commercial airliners into American buildings.
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You puzzle me, why would anyone want this law to be implemented? It is an a*********n and should never have been placed into action without complete disclosure. It is a terrible law. It should never have come into play in this government. Even the ones that are wanting it are opting out of it. How is that fair or good? You are too wrapped up in it to realize the fallacy of this thing.
Now you want to put good citizens in jail and leave the crooks out?

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Oct 16, 2013 00:09:53   #
sagenot
 
Looks like the admin. planted him for stirring things up, if so, I'm outta here, it's a waste of our time!

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Oct 17, 2013 03:19:59   #
carolyn
 


Rumorturd always falls back on his favorite rebut... "give a source of information, please. He is too lazy ot stupid to look anything up for himself.

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Oct 17, 2013 04:56:08   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
rumitoid wrote:
Could you give the site where you obtained this information.


It would be nice if just once you will take someone's word. It originated with an individual who works for a company whose business is 80% government contracts. The individual has been working government procurement for some twenty-five years. The US Government historically takes at least three months to move anything through the procurement process.

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Oct 17, 2013 07:51:07   #
carolyn
 
AuntiE wrote:
It would be nice if just once you will take someone's word. It originated with an individual who works for a company whose business is 80% government contracts. The individual has been working government procurement for some twenty-five years. The US Government historically takes at least three months to move anything through the procurement process.


Rumitoid always wants someone to tell him where you get your information. He is either incapable of doing his own research or is too lazy to do it. I have stopped doing it for him because the only way he would believe anything you say is if it came from the great liar himself, Obama.

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Oct 17, 2013 08:04:05   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
carolyn wrote:
This was just brought to my attention, and I can't understand why I didn't think of it myself because I have had much experience in the very slow process of this government. But here is something that should awake every American citizen.

Government requisitioning, bidding, awarding contracts, etc. is a time consuming process. There are penny-counters and pencil-necked bureaucrats every step of the way. The simplest steps takes months to accomplish.

But in less than 8 hours of the shutdown, professionally printed 3X4 foot signs appeared all over the country in the tens of thousands saying that this park or that facility is closed due to government shutdown. There has not been government shutdown for 17 years, so the signs were not stored for 17 years. These signs were designed, specifications were determined, signs were then requisitioned, bids were posted and vetted, and government contracts were awarded. The materials were then ordered, manufactured, and distributed either through the U.S. Mail or freight companies.

I believe this shutdown was orchestrated and planned at least 8 months ago. Millions of tax dollars were appropriated and spent in this process. There has to be a paper trail a mile wide leading to the White House.

Shall we call our representatives to demand that this paper trail be investigated? And this time DEMAND, not beg.
This was just brought to my attention, and I can't... (show quote)


This shutdown WAS planned, by the Koch Brothers, and the tea bag politicians that they paid to elect. It came to NOTHING, because democrats wisely reasoned that if it came to ANYTHING, if any reward was given for hostage taking, this would be the way government "worked" from now on. Lose an e******n? Lose the Senate? No matter-threaten to blow up the economy and you can get what you want anyways. What a sad time for the usa. 24 billion out of the economy by this little tea bag dance, Republican polls in the toilet, and Mitch McConnel getting primaried, which should mean a loss in the general e******n, and democrats perhaps taking over the house.

Now, you are thinking a conspiracy?? That the white house, who is trying hard to improve this economy engineered this shutdown just because the white house and the democrats 'won"? You can print signs in a mater of minutes and that is what the museum staff was doing on Tuesday morning. This is not a conspiracy.

Some things are just too nutty to be believed. This was the Republicans doing, they thought Obama would cave. He had given into their demands in 2011, in a spirit of bipartisanship, that the tea bag party saw as weakness.

Obama just cant win with you folks, who would h**e him if he saved you from drowning. He just saved your 401Ks, your savings, your pensions, your SS checks, and you still h**e him.

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Oct 17, 2013 08:11:57   #
claytonln Loc: Kansas
 
AnnMarie wrote:
This shutdown WAS planned, by the Koch Brothers, and the tea bag politicians that they paid to elect. It came to NOTHING, because democrats wisely reasoned that if it came to ANYTHING, if any reward was given for hostage taking, this would be the way government "worked" from now on. Lose an e******n? Lose the Senate? No matter-threaten to blow up the economy and you can get what you want anyways. What a sad time for the usa. 24 billion out of the economy by this little tea bag dance, Republican polls in the toilet, and Mitch McConnel getting primaried, which should mean a loss in the general e******n, and democrats perhaps taking over the house.

Now, you are thinking a conspiracy?? That the white house, who is trying hard to improve this economy engineered this shutdown just because the white house and the democrats 'won"? You can print signs in a mater of minutes and that is what the museum staff was doing on Tuesday morning. This is not a conspiracy.

Some things are just too nutty to be believed. This was the Republicans doing, they thought Obama would cave. He had given into their demands in 2011, in a spirit of bipartisanship, that the tea bag party saw as weakness.

Obama just cant win with you folks, who would h**e him if he saved you from drowning. He just saved your 401Ks, your savings, your pensions, your SS checks, and you still h**e him.
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I h**e no one. I don't like his policies. I have researched the man 10 ways from Sunday, I have read the books that he co authored. From his own words, I decided that he would not be good for this country.

If you defend him. Then I would say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

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Oct 17, 2013 08:17:58   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 


Yes, the links are about the shutdown being planned by
Ed Meese and the Koch brother, not the white house.

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Oct 17, 2013 08:25:54   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
claytonln wrote:
I h**e no one. I don't like his policies. I have researched the man 10 ways from Sunday, I have read the books that he co authored. From his own words, I decided that he would not be good for this country.

If you defend him. Then I would say be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.


Are the tea bag republicans good for the country? 24 billion out of the economy with this shutdown, that the reasonable republicans (ie what you call RINOs) said would not work, and didn't. Let insurance companies deny coverage, have lifetime caps, turn medicare into a voucher, chain CPI for social security to cut benefits for the elderly, cut taxes for the rich, gut enviromental laws, repeal the minimum wage?? This is what I thought was bad for the country, and the baggers just proved it by this stupid shutdown. The policies of each candidate were out there for the e******n, and your side lost. Your side is down in the polls to the lowest number in the history of polling. Keep moving right and you will lose the house as well.

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Oct 17, 2013 08:27:03   #
carolyn
 
AnnMarie wrote:
This shutdown WAS planned, by the Koch Brothers, and the tea bag politicians that they paid to elect. It came to NOTHING, because democrats wisely reasoned that if it came to ANYTHING, if any reward was given for hostage taking, this would be the way government "worked" from now on. Lose an e******n? Lose the Senate? No matter-threaten to blow up the economy and you can get what you want anyways. What a sad time for the usa. 24 billion out of the economy by this little tea bag dance, Republican polls in the toilet, and Mitch McConnel getting primaried, which should mean a loss in the general e******n, and democrats perhaps taking over the house.

Now, you are thinking a conspiracy?? That the white house, who is trying hard to improve this economy engineered this shutdown just because the white house and the democrats 'won"? You can print signs in a mater of minutes and that is what the museum staff was doing on Tuesday morning. This is not a conspiracy.

Some things are just too nutty to be believed. This was the Republicans doing, they thought Obama would cave. He had given into their demands in 2011, in a spirit of bipartisanship, that the tea bag party saw as weakness.

Obama just cant win with you folks, who would h**e him if he saved you from drowning. He just saved your 401Ks, your savings, your pensions, your SS checks, and you still h**e him.
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He is taking $500 billion out of SS to help finance Obamacare and you say he saved it? You are definitely on dope.

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