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Feb 17, 2016 06:44:39   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
Mr. Frank, it does not matter when I die!!!! I AM SAVED. Jesus Christ is my savior. The bible teaches us that we do not no someone's final moments in this life. That's why we are taught not to judge. I choose not to believe what one man's interpretation of the bible is! I refuse to assume that I know the mind of GOD. Only He knows who is saved and who is not! And that is not just my opinion, that is what the bible teaches.


Im just saying as an example that if the antichrist was here tomorrow that you might be in danger, because Christ had to shorten the time because even the Saints were being deceived, Matt 24:22 & Mark 13:20Just on that one thing of not having the Word sealed in the mind. The Word does say study yourself to be shewed approved. The wiles of the devil, Christ knew how satan would deceive His Saints, you know more than Christ?

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Feb 17, 2016 07:07:20   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
Our belief in the rapture comes from scripture. It has been traced as far back as Iraneus (spelling?). It did not come from MM. Her dream or whatever it was did not describe the rapture. It was the babbling of a sick lady. we can't be deceived by the antichrist because our "gathering up" happens in the twinkling of an eye. We are not asked to go with Jesus. He takes us. You claim that antichrist will ask us to go with him. Jesus does not come to earth at this time. His feet does not touch the ground. He does not say " I am Jesus, Do you want to come with me". I don't have a problem with people not believing as we do, but I do expect them to get what we believe correct. It is very easy to researchers to find the true history of how far back the rapture goes. I agree beliefs come from the bible, not from man making up false statements. Both sides of this belief is totally convinced they are correct and no amount of arguing will ever change either side. We will have to accept each beliefs with respect. We won't know until the time gets here. I think we are very close&#128077;&#128077;&#128077;. Maranatha
Our belief in the rapture comes from scripture. It... (show quote)


Eze 13:20 wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against you pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Start reading from 17 - 23. He tells those preachers that in the end times, there will be dead churches, 5 of 7 are dead according to Revelation 2:7 and 3:7. This is Christ talking.

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Feb 17, 2016 08:29:09   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
Im just saying as an example that if the antichrist was here tomorrow that you might be in danger, because Christ had to shorten the time because even the Saints were being deceived, Matt 24:22 & Mark 13:20Just on that one thing of not having the Word sealed in the mind. The Word does say study yourself to be shewed approved. The wiles of the devil, Christ knew how satan would deceive His Saints, you know more than Christ?


I do not know more than Christ! I have said that! Mat 24:24 uses the words, IF POSSIBLE. Mr. Frank my body can be stabbed, burned, tortured, shot and murdered, but my soul belongs to GOD! The Holy Spirit is 'in me' at all times. John 14:26 - Acts15:8 - 1 Corinthians 6:19 & 20. He will protect me from being deceived. I don't believe that I will be here to be deceived, but if the rapture happens at a different time I will still be ok. The majority of the world's population will die in the last 7 years ( I think you are taught that it is 5 months ?). I'm too old and would not be physically possible too survive it. I would much rather go home!!! It's not going to be a fun time whether it is 5 months or 7 years. I have no doubt that you and I will meet some day after we're home.

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Feb 17, 2016 08:41:04   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
I do not know more than Christ! I have said that! Mat 24:24 uses the words, IF POSSIBLE. Mr. Frank my body can be stabbed, burned, tortured, shot and murdered, but my soul belongs to GOD! The Holy Spirit is 'in me' at all times. John 14:26 - Acts15:8 - 1 Corinthians 6:19 & 20. He will protect me from being deceived. I don't believe that I will be here to be deceived, but if the rapture happens at a different time I will still be ok. The majority of the world's population will die in the last 7 years ( I think you are taught that it is 5 months ?). I'm too old and would not be physically possible too survive it. I would much rather go home!!! It's not going to be a fun time whether it is 5 months or 7 years. I have no doubt that you and I will meet some day after we're home.
I do not know more than Christ! I have said that!... (show quote)


I'm glad you understand, may God Bless you and yours.

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Feb 17, 2016 08:53:52   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
Eze 13:20 wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against you pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Start reading from 17 - 23. He tells those preachers that in the end times, there will be dead churches, 5 of 7 are dead according to Revelation 2:7 and 3:7. This is Christ talking.


Mr Murray has used that verse many times during his question and answer session. But he always resorted to insulting comments instead of explaining it. I would love to know a complete explaination in your words of those verses. I just don't get anything of an idea of a rapture in any of them. I would really like to understand this.

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Feb 17, 2016 08:55:03   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
I'm glad you understand, may God Bless you and yours.


And to you and yours&#128077;&#128077;&#128516;&#128516;&#128516;

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Feb 17, 2016 09:00:40   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
TexaCan wrote:
And to you and yours&#128077;&#128077;&#128516;&#128516;&#128516;


This is how to discuss our beliefs!! We can be totally upfront and honest and direct, and still be kind and respectful. I have enjoyed this very much.

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Feb 17, 2016 09:59:05   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
Mr Murray has used that verse many times during his question and answer session. But he always resorted to insulting comments instead of explaining it. I would love to know a complete explaination in your words of those verses. I just don't get anything of an idea of a rapture in any of them. I would really like to understand this.


Verse 16 Jerusalem is going to be a stumbling block for the nations in the end times. Pease means Jerusalem. 18 preachers hide Gods saving hands that are lifted up and stretched forth with coverings to conceal and lead astray, kerchiefs are covering of the head / eyes so people won't see God hands, Isa 26:11. To hunt is to ensnare the souls of people, to slay = to prophesy falsely that His people should be slain in not heeding to The Word of God. To save or promise life to those who should not live. God can't reason with people because of false promises by false preachers into thinking that the fly away doctrine or the rapture is real. The first letter to the Thessalonians was received with misinterpretation,4:17 prevent them that are asleep in Jesus that we in the flesh cannot go or come before them, this is the 7th trump and Christ appears then the rest of us that are alive will be transformed. the second letter was written to clarify what God told Paul to say, 2:1 the gathering will not happen until the aposty, then the antichrist will come saying I'm Christ, this is the 6th trump, Matt 24:4, so there is no rapture.

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Feb 17, 2016 10:16:22   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
iFrank wrote:
Verse 16 Jerusalem is going to be a stumbling block for the nations in the end times. Pease means Jerusalem. 18 preachers hide Gods saving hands that are lifted up and stretched forth with coverings to conceal and lead astray, kerchiefs are covering of the head / eyes so people won't see God hands, Isa 26:11. To hunt is to ensnare the souls of people, to slay = to prophesy falsely that His people should be slain in not heeding to The Word of God. To save or promise life to those who should not live. God can't reason with people because of false promises by false preachers into thinking that the fly away doctrine or the rapture is real. The first letter to the Thessalonians was received with misinterpretation,4:17 prevent them that are asleep in Jesus that we in the flesh cannot go or come before them, this is the 7th trump and Christ appears then the rest of us that are alive will be transformed. the second letter was written to clarify what God told Paul to say, 2:1 the gathering will not happen until the aposty, then the antichrist will come saying I'm Christ, this is the 6th trump, Matt 24:4, so there is no rapture.
Verse 16 Jerusalem is going to be a stumbling bloc... (show quote)

Thank you for explaining where and why you believe as you do. I don't agree, but we know Jesus and we are safe in His arms.

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Feb 17, 2016 10:35:12   #
iFrank Loc: San Antonio
 
TexaCan wrote:
Thank you for explaining where and why you believe as you do. I don't agree, but we know Jesus and we are safe in His arms.


All that was stated is biblical, fortold by Christ /God. Have a good life.

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