mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

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fredlott63

The idea of "being saved" adds to Christ's sacrifice. Jesus didn't say, "this is all I can do", but, "it is finished". I agree with Paul in Philippians 3:13.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Thank you. I don't think I'm going to be successful in any dialogue with him.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Let’s take into consideration your “answers” to my two questions:

First question – Concerning being saved: I’ll break it to you…the idea of being saved has a direct correlation to what Jesus did on the cross. Of the last sayings of Christ on the cross, none is more important or more poignant than, “It is finished.” Found only in the Gospel of John, the Greek word translated “it is finished” is tetelestai, an accounting term that means “paid in full.” When Jesus uttered those words, He was declaring the debt owed to His Father was wiped away completely and forever. Not that Jesus wiped away any debt that He owed to the Father; rather, Jesus eliminated the debt owed by mankind—the debt of sin.

In Romans 10:5-13, Paul wrote, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit: For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) “or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

As for you agreeing with Paul in Philippians 3:13, why don’t you read Philippians 3:12-16 to get the context. With that in mind, it’s VERY IMPORTANT to read Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit in context.to gain understanding of what is being conveyed because what you quoted (and I highlight below) has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with your reply to the question that I asked you.
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Philippians 3:12-16
Not that I have already obtained this or am already perfect, but I press on to make it my own, because Christ Jesus has made me his own. Brothers, I do not consider that I have made it my own (righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ). But one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead, I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained.

Second question – Concerning acknowledging that Jesus came to the earth in the flesh: You not answering the question appears to speak volumes. Read 1 John 4:1-6 because if you cannot acknowledge that “Jesus Christ has come in the flesh,” this is the spirit of the antichrist.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

John 8:44 , Jesus says that the sons of the devil go all the way to Cain the first murderer, 1John 3:12 not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother...2 Corint 11:3 But I Fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty... This word beguiled is 1818 in the concordance Greek, is wholly seduced. 2 Timothy 2:15 study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. If you want to look some more, Eve continues in childbirth so that means that they were twins, Cain and Abel, and were of the same age when they brought their own first fruits to God, Gen 4:4. BTW when satan seduced Eve, Adam sewed fig leaves for their private areas of their bodies not for their mouth as like from eating an apple.

fiatlux

Amen!

fiatlux

That also goes for the teacher.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

The first tribulation is the antichrist, the second is from Jesus Christ. There is no rapture, if people would research the bible or better yet some of the replies pertaining to the rapture they would learn that Margaret McDonald in the 1800's got sick and muttered about the fly away doctrine which has never been found in the bible. Beliefs are proofs in the bible not from any person that says otherwise.

fredlott63

Experience is the best teacher.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

The Holy Spirit is the best teacher. For it is written in 1 John 2:27: But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Our belief in the rapture comes from scripture. It has been traced as far back as Iraneus (spelling?). It did not come from MM. Her dream or whatever it was did not describe the rapture. It was the babbling of a sick lady. we can't be deceived by the antichrist because our "gathering up" happens in the twinkling of an eye. We are not asked to go with Jesus. He takes us. You claim that antichrist will ask us to go with him. Jesus does not come to earth at this time. His feet does not touch the ground. He does not say " I am Jesus, Do you want to come with me". I don't have a problem with people not believing as we do, but I do expect them to get what we believe correct. It is very easy to researchers to find the true history of how far back the rapture goes. I agree beliefs come from the bible, not from man making up false statements. Both sides of this belief is totally convinced they are correct and no amount of arguing will ever change either side. We will have to accept each beliefs with respect. We won't know until the time gets here. I think we are very close👍👍👍. Maranatha

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

Alright if you die right now you will go to Christ but if you live to the tribulation of the antichrist and go to see him like half of the proverbial virgins The real Christ will come back and shut the door and your soul / Spirit will be in limbo for 1000 years. That's your choice. Sorry for your choice.

fiatlux

fred, do you know how many Christian sects there are? At last count over a hundred thousand. Who is deceived? Your are right? What are the odds? At least 1 in a 100,000.

fiatlux

Lol, and....? Too funny.

TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!

Mr. Frank, it does not matter when I die!!!! I AM SAVED. Jesus Christ is my savior. The bible teaches us that we do not no someone's final moments in this life. That's why we are taught not to judge. I choose not to believe what one man's interpretation of the bible is! I refuse to assume that I know the mind of GOD. Only He knows who is saved and who is not! And that is not just my opinion, that is what the bible teaches.