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Oct 7, 2013 13:21:59   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
DeeDee wrote:
I think we are traveling new ground. I have never seen anything like the Tea Potty, but perhaps you have. How did it work out with "NO" to any and all proposals?


The only new ground we're covering is we have so many uninformed people like you - Tip O'Neil shutdown the government 8 times when Reagan was President - now, that was new ground.

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Oct 7, 2013 13:23:25   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
strangest1 wrote:
Why not fund the whole government not the things that will make you look good or help your masters/


The whole government being funded is what is giving us record deficits and unsustainable debt - or perhaps you hadn't heard of such things where you get your information.

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Oct 7, 2013 13:26:32   #
Bhmason
 
DeeDee wrote:
The Tea Potty via Speaker Boner is saying, "We don't have the v**es for a clean CR, so WE will decide what shall be Opened and what shall remain Closed. The Dems are saying no to the Tea Potty and claiming "we, Dems and reasonable Republicans, do have the v**es to pass a clean CR and Open All." So why doesn't Speaker Boner call for a v**e on a clean CR and prove his point thereby proving the Dems wrong?

You need to get information from somewhere else besides MSNBC & CNN. Boehner has repeatedly requested Little Barry to negotiate. Little Barry refuses. You can try and spin this and lie about it, but those of us getting information from multiple sources have seen Little Barry say repeatedly he won't negotiate.

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Oct 7, 2013 13:29:13   #
Bhmason
 
Obama’s Shutdown Campaign

Echoing an old C*******t Party tactic.



In the old days, if you wanted to see master propagandists at work, you looked to Moscow, where none honed the craft as crassly as the boys in the Kremlin. The Soviets were so excellent at manipulation and disinformation, at agitation and propaganda (read: agitprop), that they had a government department that specialized in the work. Entire elements of the arm of the state were employed in the ignoble task.

Here at home, C*******t Party USA wasn’t too shabby either. CPUSA’s lieutenants excelled at what they called “campaigns.” These were carefully concerted efforts whereby they exploited an issue or cause to further an agenda. Such campaigns were a very effective, still vastly un-appreciated, tactic vigorously employed by the c*******t movement.

These campaigns took on such a predictable, discernible pattern that they eventually prompted full-scale investigations by the U.S. government. The FBI in the 1950s produced a lengthy classified report on the subject. The bureau defined campaigns as “concentrated, continuous, and concerted succession of agitation and propaganda activities specifically devised and timed to sway public opinion. All c*******t campaigns are intended to arouse, influence, and mobilize as many people as possible to further c*******t goals.”

The chief targets in such campaigns were gullible observers, particularly other l*****ts, moderates, and the apolitical, whose buttons could be pushed. These were the dupes, the “suckers,” and they were deemed indispensable to success. If the campaigns marshaled only the support of the organizers, they would be t***sparent and would collapse under public exposure.

The FBI noted that, “No other organization has ever engaged in so many diverse, intensive, and extensive campaigns conducted with so much perseverance, deftness, and potency as has the C*******t Party, USA.” CPUSA was “never without” a campaign of one type or another, and had been responsible for “an inestimable number of campaigns.”

Notably, a CPUSA member who specialized in these methods was Obama’s Hawaii mentor, Frank Marshall Davis (CPUSA member no. 47544). In my book on Davis, I detail several campaigns he was involved with.

All of that background for this point today:

This tactic is precisely what Barack Obama and his allies are doing right now. Obama’s exploitation of the government shutdown (never let a good crisis go to waste) is a classic old method mastered by the likes of CPUSA. It’s standard operating procedure. What you’re witnessing is Barack Obama’s “shutdown campaign” — and with the liberal media dutifully on his side to amplify the effort.

Here today, in our new America, our own federal government has gotten into the propaganda business full throttle. Its exploitation of the shutdown is shameless. Sure, we expect congressional Democrats to accuse Republicans of starving children, old people, kittens, puppies, fish, and birds; of wanting to k**l your grandmother; of gleefully polluting the atmosphere; of hating black people, gays, Latinos, women; of hoping no child gets an education or a school lunch. You know the drill. Democrats do this regardless of whether they have the White House. It’s the air they breathe. When they have the White House, the cacophony is even shriller. Recall the shutdown follies during the Clinton years, when Commandants Clinton and Gore joined the ugly performance. Al Gore was superb at demonizing Republicans; he had a remarkable talent for doing so.

But the performance has reached a higher, uglier decibel level under the Obama administration. This is hardly a surprise, given Barack Obama’s upbringing, mentors, radical associates, and the crucial fact that he was a community organizer who studied and taught Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals. That was Obama’s formative experience for his job today, and it has equipped him for the task at hand. As accomplices, add in an army of ever-increasing unionized government employees, prodded by their ringleaders, and who burn with the tenacity and partisanship of IRS employees, and watch out. You see the results.

As has been reported, and is unmistakably evident to all but the most naïve, federal employees have been ordered to exploit this crisis, to make the government shutdown as uncomfortable as they can. The White House is actively soliciting complaints from the general public on “how the government shutdown has affected you.” These testimonies are tools sought for the propaganda kit; the better to agitate with.

One infamous culmination is the despicable display at the World War II Memorial at the Mall, which has been blocked off, wired off, and barricaded so no visitors can get near it. I’ve been to that memorial. No government employee is needed for you to stroll up and look at it.

But for the churner of propaganda, the agitprop artist, the spectacle of elderly, crying, dying, heart-aching, wheelchair-bound WWII vets travelling hundreds to thousands of miles to honor their fallen brothers, perhaps for a final earthly time, only to be denied by cruel, int***sigent Republicans, is just too delicious to pass up. Moreover, you must consider the mindset of liberal Democrats: They and their party and ideology and followers are already fueled by emotion. Well, this WWII debacle is tailor-made to gas up the tanks, the planes, and everything else in the arsenal.

And then the propaganda c**p de grâce, the topper: a compliant media on hand to film the charade and spin it in your direction. Utterly delicious. A lovely opportunity. You can picture the propaganda maker salivating at the spectacle.

Of course, the World War II Memorial is just one of numerous examples of Obama’s shutdown campaign bearing its (intended) bitter fruit. What other welcomed pain might be generated? What other lambs might l*****ts conjure up for the sacrifice?

Well, it was only a matter of time before this propaganda ploy found another way to assault our religious liberty — the favorite new tack of the left to advances its various causes, from “a******n rights” to “marriage rights.” And alas, that has likewise come to fruition.

As reported by Steve Skojec at Catholic V**e, priests who serve as chaplains for the U.S. military are being threatened with arrest if they celebrate Mass in defiance of the government shutdown — even if they do so voluntarily.

Outrageous? Absolutely. A surprise? Absolutely not.

Imagine: It is the literal sacred duty of these priests to celebrate Mass. In America the way it used to be, when we had a First Amendment whose religious freedom provision was honored by people with honor, the priest was respected and free. In Obama’s new fundamentally changed America, however, religious freedom is trumped by priorities that “progressives” deem superior. Thus, the HHS mandate on a******n. Thus, a Christian couple who owns a bakery in Oregon is sued for not making a “gay wedding” cake. Thus, a Christian photographer is v**ed down by the New Mexico supreme court for refusing to photograph a gay couple. And on and on. Now, a military chaplain is told to bow to a government ordering him not to perform Mass during a shutdown that’s less shutdown than theatrics. The priest must serve not the Body of Christ but Barack Obama’s body of propaganda.

So, enjoy the spectacle of Obama’s shutdown campaign. For the extreme left, it’s really nothing new — though, sadly, it’s totally new to have this emanating so egregiously from the White House. But, hey, this is the fundamental t***sformation that oblivious Americans elected. Those of us who understand can do little more than suffer through it, its organizers, and its suckers.

http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/07/obamas-shutdown-campaign/

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Oct 7, 2013 13:54:42   #
DeeDee
 
Strange 1...at last a voice in the wilderness!
Under President Obama (3.5 years)the debt increased 16% under President Bush ( years) 22%,( with tax cuts and unfunded wars) Under President Reagan(8 years) the debt increase was 14.9 with 7 tax increases...but what does this prove about the Government Shut Down today? The Senate Approved the Republican budget which was far less than they wanted...as Harry said, "Boner can't take yes for an answer." Government is has gotten along without science, education, mass t***sit, manufacturing, EPA, FEMA etc, in the past and we could probably do it again. Government is only "non-essential" until we need it. The Shut Down is damaging our country our very Democracy and it needs to end. If there are problems, and we have them, eh?...they can be solved without the Tea Potty tactics.

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Oct 7, 2013 14:14:02   #
vernon
 
banjojack wrote:
Why, the Republicans, of course. Don't you read the Huff and Puff Post?


i can say im not guilty of reading that crap

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Oct 7, 2013 14:16:41   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
DeeDee wrote:
Strange 1...at last a voice in the wilderness!
Under President Obama (3.5 years)the debt increased 16% under President Bush ( years) 22%,( with tax cuts and unfunded wars) Under President Reagan(8 years) the debt increase was 14.9 with 7 tax increases...but what does this prove about the Government Shut Down today? The Senate Approved the Republican budget which was far less than they wanted...as Harry said, "Boner can't take yes for an answer." Government is has gotten along without science, education, mass t***sit, manufacturing, EPA, FEMA etc, in the past and we could probably do it again. Government is only "non-essential" until we need it. The Shut Down is damaging our country our very Democracy and it needs to end. If there are problems, and we have them, eh?...they can be solved without the Tea Potty tactics.
Strange 1...at last a voice in the wilderness! br... (show quote)


Wow - you are fully indoctrinated and uniquely uninformed. Percentages are often used to fool people - and it is often successful as your case proves.

Meanwhile, the Senate never approved a budget of any kind originated in the House for the last 5 years - actually has only been able to approve one budget of its own imagination in that time.

Continue to attack Bush and Reagan - and somehow use them to justify Obama - that is so clearly a sign of minimally informed or maximally indoctrinated that no thinking person would be anything other than amused.

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Oct 7, 2013 14:23:22   #
DeeDee
 
I've heard it said "We don't negotiate with hostage takers."...maybe it was Representative Michele Bachmann...no she said, "We (GOP) are happy as can be about the Shut Down." She should be ecstatic with the Honey Boo Boo of DC, eh?

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Oct 7, 2013 14:30:44   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
DeeDee wrote:
I've heard it said "We don't negotiate with hostage takers."...maybe it was Representative Michele Bachmann...no she said, "We (GOP) are happy as can be about the Shut Down." She should be ecstatic with the Honey Boo Boo of DC, eh?


Continue to impress with your lack of information and degree of indoctrination. You are doing a great job of making sure you demonstrate both limited and inaccurate information and no sign of thought.

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Oct 7, 2013 14:30:55   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Dave wrote:
The only new ground we're covering is we have so many uninformed people like you - Tip O'Neil shutdown the government 8 times when Reagan was President - now, that was new ground.


Left wing rules of engagement: It doesn't count when Democrats do it.

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Oct 7, 2013 14:34:28   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Dave wrote:
Wow - you are fully indoctrinated and uniquely uninformed. Percentages are often used to fool people - and it is often successful as your case proves.

Meanwhile, the Senate never approved a budget of any kind originated in the House for the last 5 years - actually has only been able to approve one budget of its own imagination in that time.

Continue to attack Bush and Reagan - and somehow use them to justify Obama - that is so clearly a sign of minimally informed or maximally indoctrinated that no thinking person would be anything other than amused.
Wow - you are fully indoctrinated and uniquely uni... (show quote)


DeeDee, You haven't taken me up on my offer: Five hundred dollars for any place you can find the word "democracy" in the Constitution. IF this is our form of government, as you say it is. don't you think it would be in there one time? Could it be you are as mistaken about that as you are about everything else?

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Oct 7, 2013 14:44:55   #
DeeDee
 
Oh, Banjojack...what a cute name!
Ya, I'm out classed here, for sure. But, I'll just keep plugging away with Facts in the hope that some of our elected officials will wake up. Tip and Ronnie did not have to deal with the Tea Potty and Honey Boo Boo... that is why this is different, eh?

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Oct 7, 2013 15:05:47   #
DeeDee
 
Banjojack...I'm sorry, but I can't bet you, not that I am opposed to gambling...I won $ 50.00 from my favorite Repug when President Obama was re-elected. I won't bet you because we have a form of democracy called a Republic...which as you know is a form of Democracy. Our Forefathers tried to make it more appealing to the smaller states so they called it a Republic. A Republic is a system that refers Only to the Rule of Law a Democracy refers to Only Rule of the People. Greece had a Democracy and you know how well that turned out, eh?

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Oct 7, 2013 15:21:31   #
Molly
 
This is NOT difficult. The ACA will be funded. So if you truly want to cut costs go find other areas in the budget and make some cuts. The Senate and President will NOT defund or delay the ACA. You can try to fund things one by one but then what is the point? All it allows the house to do is keep delaying the part they don't want. Don't tell me the TP cares so much about the overspending and then send a bill funding everything but the ACA. You are just trying to delay or defund the ACA and it's NOT going to happen. This is not difficult. No they won't negotiate getting rid of it... its been passed and backed up and there are more dems in power than republicans so that should be paid attention to. This is simply the right tying to get their way. The passing of bills to try to fund certain areas... its trying to make them look like they really aren't shutting down the govt.. If you let them keep putting on bandaids they simply delay the inevitable while trying to make themselves look good. It isn't rocket science and while its a great attempt its pretty see through. I commend them for trying to work around the laws.. they have been quite crafty this year especially on a local level but its still just a mirage for the minority trying to hold the majority hostage. I commend their efforts to save money, but they need to do that within the rules and not by just being shady.

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Oct 7, 2013 15:38:06   #
DeeDee
 
Molly, I like the way your mind works...Logical, Factual, and without demeaning those who don't like Logic and Facts.

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