When is enough enough? (Page 4): Why do you feel that because some one hires some one that the employee is or should not have a share in the gains made by the business. That over time...

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Dave wrote:

How much more do you want working people to be paid, and who do you want to pay it? Do you think maybe workers should concentrate on increasing the value of what they do and government programs should be there to aid and encourage that?

Why do you feel that because some one hires some one that the employee is or should not have a share in the gains made by the business. That over time as the worker dose what is asked of him but the wage he gets is lowered or stays the same while the profits keep increasing.

If you take a good look at what has happened in the last couple of decades is, that the buying power of the average worker is less.

So you are in effect saying the average working person isn't
or hasn't been of any use to the system?

So you as a business owner wish to see that workers don't even have the money to buy the products being made?

Now for the big question What do you wish to do with all of these useless people that can't buy what you are selling & how will you sell any thing if you have no one to make or buy your product?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Floyd Brown wrote:

Why do you feel that because some one hires some o... (show quote)

I notice you completly ignore my questions, but I'm of generous spirit and will ignore that oversight and answer yours.

I did not say an employee should not recieve a portion of the profits his efforts earned - on the contrary, I said he should be paid as a function of the value he generates.

You comment about the value of pay over the last few decades is clearly wrong by the simple expedient of empiracal observation. Over the last few decades we've had an explosion of casino's - we've seen the introduction of cell phones migrating to smart phones, we've seen an exploxion of restaurants, both fast food and sit down, hell, we've even seen a whole new industry - fingernail services. Do you really think all these things are consumed only by the 1%?

I've said nothing like the value of the average person has no use in the system - and if you improve your reading comprehension and critical thinking sk**ls you'll discover I said the exact opposite.

I am not a business owner - never have been a business owner - the assumption that I am shows an intellectual bias that renders one nearly irrational - and as a man who has worked now for well over 50 years I understand that people need to buy for any business to operate, but those who buy with free money distort the economy more than help it.

Now for your "big" question - I would support those programs that incentivize people to improve themselves and penalize those who do not - thereby making the world better for both sets of people.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Dave wrote:

I notice you completly ignore my questions, but I'm of generous spirit and will ignore that oversight and answer yours.

I did not say an employee should not recieve a portion of the profits his efforts earned - on the contrary, I said he should be paid as a function of the value he generates.

WELL IT SEEMS THAT THE PORTION OF THE WORKERS VALUE HAS GONE DOWN

SORRY FOR THE CAPS BUT IT WILL BE EASIER TO KEEP THINGS IN SOME SORT OF ORDER

You comment about the value of pay over the last few decades is clearly wrong by the simple expedient of empiracal observation. Over the last few decades we've had an explosion of casino's - we've seen the introduction of cell phones migrating to smart phones, we've seen an exploxion of restaurants, both fast food and sit down, hell, we've even seen a whole new industry - fingernail services. Do you really think all these things are consumed only by the 1%?

THAT THE AVERAGE WAGE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION OVER THE 40 YEARS HAS RESULTED A MUCH SMALL ER GAIN
FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON THAN THE RICHER PERSON.
SOME GIVE NUMBERS LIKE 30% & MORE GAIN FOR THE RICH
& 1 OT 2% FOR THE AVERAGE WORKER.

I've said nothing like the value of the average person has no use in the system - and if you improve your reading comprehension and critical thinking sk**ls you'll discover I said the exact opposite.

IN THE FACE OF REDUCED VALUE OF WAGES PAID I OFFER THAT IT IS YOUR FEELING THAT THE VALUE OF THE WORKERS EFFORT HAS DECREASED.

I am not a business owner - never have been a business owner - the assumption that I am shows an intellectual bias that renders one nearly irrational - and as a man who has worked now for well over 50 years I understand that people need to buy for any business to operate, but those who buy with free money distort the economy more than help it.

USING THE TERM YOU AS A BUSINESS OWNER WAS MEANT AS A BUSINESS OWN IN GENERAL. SORRY THAT WASN'T PUT QUITE RIGHT.

Now for your "big" question - I would support those programs that incentivize people to improve themselves and penalize those who do not - thereby making the world better for both sets of people.

I notice you completly ignore my questions, but I'... (show quote)

PART OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS THAT THE AVERAGE WORKER NEEDS TO HAVE MONEY TO BY THE PRODUCTS PRODUCED. EVERY ONE WINS IN THAT CASE & EVERY ONE LOSES IF THE PRODUCTS DON'T GET BOUGHT.

EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT. BUT i AM JUST TALKING ABOUT JOBS & PEOPLE DOING THEM NOW. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS IN PLACE NOW. WORKERS HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING & BECAUSE OF INFLATION ARE BEING PAID LESS IN REAL WAGES.

ONLY SOME ONE WITH NO FORESIGHT WOULD THINK THAT IS THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Floyd Brown wrote:

PART OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS THAT THE... (show quote)

when a producer has to pay more to produce than he makes from the product he has to #1 reduce cost#2 increase price#3 stop producing the product and wages are part of the cost

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Floyd Brown wrote:

PART OF WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET ACROSS IS THAT THE... (show quote)

All caps add no credibility to your post.
If you understood macro economics you'd understand that should the average worker be paid more than the market value of his output, the average price of things so produced would be increased to the point of equilibrium - that is called inflation.

Further, if you understood anything I wrote, you'd understand that I am not endorsing the current situation - on the contrary I'm adovating that we cease creating millions of unsk**led and uneducated people in our schools - particularly urban - and stop importing millions more of uneducated unsk**led people.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

Dave wrote:

All caps add no credibility to your post. br If yo... (show quote)

ARE THE COLLEGES TURNING OUT UNFIT PEOPLE TOO AS MANY OF THEM HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING GOOD PAYING JOBS ALSO.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Floyd Brown wrote:

ARE THE COLLEGES TURNING OUT UNFIT PEOPLE TOO AS MANY OF THEM HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING GOOD PAYING JOBS ALSO.

Caps again do nothing to further your point - and yet, colleges are turning out people with degrees in subjects that have little to no market value - and if you understood economics you'd have known that.

Further, by having the productive portions of the economy burdened by the non-productive, opportunities for even qualified people are diminished.

faithistheword

Dave wrote:

How much more do you want working people to be paid, and who do you want to pay it? Do you think maybe workers should concentrate on increasing the value of what they do and government programs should be there to aid and encourage that?

If barry would stop crushing job opportunities, maybe there would be a better economy, which would lead to full-time, better-paying jobs. Burger-flipping jobs are supposed to be entry-level jobs for kids just getting into the job market, not people with families, and paying rent. That's how the country worked until barry came in, and with harry and nancy, ruined our economy.

faithistheword

Floyd Brown wrote:

Why do you feel that because some one hires some o... (show quote)

How much hard work and long hours did that employee have in getting that business started? None? OK, that's how much , over a fair wage, that he should share in the profits!

American

Very well said faith!

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

Peggy Kirk wrote:

If we don't like our governments answers to resolve our issues. What are our answers. In stead of criticism, I would like to hear authentic responses to fix our dept. Not generic, create jobs, but what jobs? What can we do to address these concerns?

The people need to be thinkers, less critics NOW.

i think that we need to up our manufactoring in the private sector by 10 to 15% and dump NAFTA

Peggy Kirk

Floyd Brown wrote:

What is really dumb is trying to reason with people who you think are dumb. Perhaps you should rethink what is your are trying to say

I takes a rather smart person to do that & I think you missed.

I don't know, maybe I'm dumb too but I got what was said. What you said might be in question! Ha.

faithistheword

Floyd Brown wrote:

Why do you feel that because some one hires some o... (show quote)

To answer your 'BIG' question--Don't you think maybe the business owners thought of that? They want their employees to be healthy, too , contrary to what some people think.