Stoneyman1 Loc: Kissimmee, FL

Well look at the people that say we came out of the ooz in the ocean or from the apes or anywhere else. The ones that say we came from the ocean originally can't tell me with their whole thinking mind that it was right. What are the chances that if for instance a bunch of junk from the ocean got together and formed man. OK, but what are the chances that the same thing happened all over the world at the same time. Or even that this stuff came together twice and made man and women. Impossible! I stated earlier that God time is supposed to be 1 day of ours = 1000 days of God time. So if God made the earth in 6 God days that would be 6000 days of God time.

mohadib

So you don't see evolution happening before our eye's? Look at man we are bigger,stronger,healthier,live longer than our breathren fom 100 yrs. ago. Open your eye's and mind don't be blinded by religious dogma you have the ability to judge for yourself, use that ability.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I have an unshakeable belief in the existence of God. I also have an unshakeable belief that the world's major religions are mostly political tools. With the possible exception of Taoism, which is only nominally a religion, (actually more of a philosophy), there are political motivations behind every major religion. While Christianity contains an admirable code of conduct, much of what is called Christianity would be considered paganism by the nascent Christian Church. Religion is one of the favorite tools of leaders for crowd control. Protestants and Catholics, Christians and Jews, Jews and Muslims, Christians and Muslims, Sunnis and Shiites, Hindu and Sikhs, Hindu and Muslims, Sikhs and Muslims. Even the occasional Buddhist, all merrily k*****g their fellow man in God's name. All sure that God is on their side. Praying for victory before battle, in the knowledge that victory requires large numbers of the enemy to lay down and quit breathing. I believe in God, and I believe that this God is nothing like what any religion on this planet portrays. The world's religions, all of them, have such a parochial view. It's a mighty big universe out there. I believe in an afterlife of some sort, because I consider the overwhelming majority of humans having some sense of an afterlife since before recorded history to be convincing evidence that there is one. I've never seen an atom, or any of it's component parts but you cannot deny their existence. Why is it that humans have the conception of an afterlife, but a blade of grass doesn't? We are not all that different in our chemical composition. Both are carbon based life forms. What imparts conciousness to one but not the other? Why do the individual cells in our bodies have no more than rudimentary conciousness, if any, but as the aggregate that is a human can put a man on the moon, or even conceive of the concept of an afterlife? I think that God is real, and religion is a tool of politicians, or someone who wants something, whether that something has an altruistic motive or not.
The theory of probability states that when the odds of something happening exceed something like ten to the sixty-fourth power, it is a mathematical impossibility. The odds of the Universe just happening are far, far greater than that. The odds of evolution just happening by chance on this planet alone are far greater. Mathematics militates the existence of God, or a Supreme Intelligence (that may not even be the proper word) of some kind. Go ahead and burn me at the stake now.

jetson

You must have your eyes closed. We have the discovery of medicines. Small pox, typhoid fever, cholera, polio, etc. wipe out. Medical equipment invented. Best food supply ever. Hardly any child birth loses. Be even better if we would stop k*****g one million, 200,00 babies ever year, (mostly black babies). Doctors and hospitals everywhere.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

They may try to "burn" you "at the stake"; however, be VERY assured there is a large bucket brigade ready and waiting to put a halt to such a fire.

:thumbup:

rumitoid

I forget who said this but I like it: the odds of Life coming together by chance are the same for a typhoon blowing through a junkyard and constructing a working 707.

Taoist philosophy is a great favorite of mine. When I first read Lao Tsu I was completely enthralled. To me, it seemed to segue neatly into the Mystics of various faiths.

Edit: My favorite quote from the Tao fits the Beatitudes snugly: "Perfect kindness acts without thinking of kindness."

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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I have a long background in religion, but do not consider myself a Christian. No, to knowledge, there exists no provable proof that God exists, and that is only proper because God is accepted on FAITH alone. Can a non Christian believe in God? I certainly hope so as I certainly believe in Him as NOT believing in HIM seems especially stupid. It doesn't bother me if others don't believe in God, but they won't convince ME because I've been the recipient of too many good graces to NOT believe in HIM.

As to "evolution". Yes evolution can be proven. What is NOT proven is that man is a product of evolution. To my knowledge there is nothing that can be pointed to that "almost" proves it. Why the deep need to have evolution responsible for humanity - except an attempt to degrade those who are religious? There can be no other purpose on earth to insist that evolution created man. At least religious people have a rationale that is not h*****g on hatred of others to believe in God.

mohadib

I'm not sure you meant what you said because it just reinforces what I've said, If man hasn't evolved and continue to evolve we wouldn't have those discoveries you mentioned. If not than how come man back in god's day or wh**ever didn't come up with these discoveries?

Why did the almighty allow disease and famine and pestilence to be on the earth in the first place?

For every argument you make concerning god, scripture, etc. there is a simple counter argument but since you still have the blinders on you'll never realize that point.

rumitoid

We are similar in our thinking on this. Many of my views on God and faith do not fit snugly into mainstream Christianity--and I agree with banjojack that the changes from the nascent Church make it less than Christian in spirit.

And your point about the need by some, and it does seem driven, to make Evolutionary Theory THE explanation for everything as well as debunking faith, seems to come from some hidden agenda.

mohadib

Interesting post until the last paragraph.


Why the need to have god responsible for humanity?



"At least religious people have a rationale that is not h*****g on hatred of others to believe in God.[/quote]


Wow I sure would like you to explain that remark?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Your comment is especially interesting as I have had a recent emotional conversation with a person of undivided faith, and she tells me she sees me as one of the best Christians she has ever seen, and insists I AM a Christian because of my acts, my attitude, etc. I report this, not to laud me for goodness' sake, but to tell how some people of unquestionable faith view others. I think of myself as one of God's children, but I don't pass the test of the church I once was pianist for.

mohadib

What hidden agenda would that be? Would it be the desire of many non believers to engage in a discussion based in reality?

Let me ask you, why are Christians and those that swear by their beliefs afraid to discuss their beliefs with others?

I believe they are afraid that someone will say something that might actually make them think about their beliefs and that scares them. I have yet to have a rational discussion with anyone of faith.

Are you up for it or as many others are you afraid?

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

Wow I sure would like you to explain that remark?

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Why the need to have God responsible for humanity? I've seen no need for it. There is no push for everyone to believe in God, merely the request to be left alone to worship God without being ridiculed and insulted for it. I have seen the need in the evolution crowd. People who believe in God don't generally write articles of magazines and newspapers to push God on everyone. But the evolution crowd does. People who believe in God don't call scientists nasty names because they preach evolution, but the evolution crowd does call the religious names, degrades them. When name calling is done, it isn't a comment. It is a challenge, and the only time I see those who believe in God talking on shows or in mags, usually it is a rebuttal to some crude and rude comment by one of the evolution crowd. As to politics, religion was not an issue in politics until the Supreme Court ruled on a******ns beyond the 4th month. I'd have rebelled just like the Christians did because beyond the 4th month it is MURDER, and Christians do NOT believe in murder. Nor do other decent people.

As to your 2nd comment: Have you ever heard a Christian call a supporter of evolution a nasty name? I've heard the reverse. You think calling someone a nasty name is not nasty? IOW, nastiness is the rationale the evolutionists use to argue their case against God. Pathetic, nasty, and not what one should expect in people who value science (if they DO value science). My opinion is that they value politics a LOT MORE than they value science.

You have been answered.

rumitoid

Perhaps you missed my qualifiers, such as "some" and "seem,": this was not indictment of atheists nor an endorsement for the faithful. And I know there are Christians as you described but I find many overly eager, like me.

mohadib

Murder! God holds the record for murder according to the bible.


"IOW, nastiness is the rationale the evolutionists use to argue their case against God".


No all they need is logic and common sense.The two things a god would fear most as it would bring down his house of cards.